the most horrendously Anti-Consumer play steam has done in years.

[CapNKirkland]

i understand that as technology grows, older technology eventually gets replaced and no longer supported, i'm not going to contest that.

what i ask is for a reasonable explanation (not some cookie cutter corporate copypaste) as to why you (steam) are intentionally locking players out of the games they paid for. some of us, like myself can't afford to upgrade the hardware necessary to update to a newer version of windows REGARDLESS if that version of spyware is free.

so why can't you offer the highly reasonable option of simply just not updating the steam client for windows 7 users and let us at the very least keep the OFFLINE version of the client we are compatible with? this would still let us play our games WE OWN with little to no extra work on your part to let that happen.. if you have to lock us out of the steam store to let us keep the offline version of the client then that is far more reasonable than just arbitrarily locking us out of the games we are currently capable of playing.

i hope you can resolve this horrifically anti-consumer play. it's the biggest "♥♥♥♥ you" that steam has ever shoved in my face considering how long ive been a customer.

[Brian9824]

Sadly people forget this is the 5th time this has happened, and it will CONTINUE to happen. Steam can't support old systems that the OS developer won't even support anymore.

Seems like a lot of people should just stop PC gaming and stick to consoles if they are going to go crazy everytime it happens...

[wesnef]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Seems like a lot of people should just stop PC gaming and stick to consoles if they are going to go crazy everytime it happens...

Of course, consoles also tend to throw out all your old games when you switch, as well. Backwards compatibility has been very hit-or-miss the last few generations (and didn't exist at all before that).

Most "oh, you can still run old games" now, is "you can subscribe to our streaming/gamepass service to run some old games. Oh, you have them on disc still? Doesn't matter, still gotta pay."

[Nuri]

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

i understand that as technology grows, older technology eventually gets replaced and no longer supported, i'm not going to contest that.

what i ask is for a reasonable explanation (not some cookie cutter corporate copypaste) as to why you (steam) are intentionally locking players out of the games they paid for. some of us, like myself can't afford to upgrade the hardware necessary to update to a newer version of windows REGARDLESS if that version of spyware is free.

so why can't you offer the highly reasonable option of simply just not updating the steam client for windows 7 users and let us at the very least keep the OFFLINE version of the client we are compatible with? this would still let us play our games WE OWN with little to no extra work on your part to let that happen.. if you have to lock us out of the steam store to let us keep the offline version of the client then that is far more reasonable than just arbitrarily locking us out of the games we are currently capable of playing.

i hope you can resolve this horrifically anti-consumer play. it's the biggest "♥♥♥♥ you" that steam has ever shoved in my face considering how long ive been a customer.

Well said.

There's literally no justifiable reason for Valve to be so proactively vindictive. Nobody would care if the announcement was "we'll be dropping official support of windows 7 and 8", but they have a legal obligation to ensure that people can still access their property (their game libraries) with a legacy patch or full compensation.

And for the last time, NO, Valve do NOT have any right to demand you fundamentally alter your computer's software, or buy new hardware to access YOUR property.

The amount of bots/shills/detached from reality fanboys on these forums is too damn high.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Escrito originalmente por Nuri:

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

i understand that as technology grows, older technology eventually gets replaced and no longer supported, i'm not going to contest that.

what i ask is for a reasonable explanation (not some cookie cutter corporate copypaste) as to why you (steam) are intentionally locking players out of the games they paid for. some of us, like myself can't afford to upgrade the hardware necessary to update to a newer version of windows REGARDLESS if that version of spyware is free.

so why can't you offer the highly reasonable option of simply just not updating the steam client for windows 7 users and let us at the very least keep the OFFLINE version of the client we are compatible with? this would still let us play our games WE OWN with little to no extra work on your part to let that happen.. if you have to lock us out of the steam store to let us keep the offline version of the client then that is far more reasonable than just arbitrarily locking us out of the games we are currently capable of playing.

i hope you can resolve this horrifically anti-consumer play. it's the biggest "♥♥♥♥ you" that steam has ever shoved in my face considering how long ive been a customer.

Well said.

There's literally no justifiable reason for Valve to be so proactively vindictive. Nobody would care if the announcement was "we'll be dropping official support of windows 7 and 8", but they have a legal obligation to ensure that people can still access their property (their game libraries) with a legacy patch or full compensation.

They list out the reasoning in their post about the change.

Escrito originalmente por Nuri:

And for the last time, NO, Valve do NOT have any right to demand you fundamentally alter your computer's software, or buy new hardware to access YOUR property.

The amount of bots/shills/detached from reality fanboys on these forums is too damn high.

The games attached to your account aren't 'your property'. You only own a license to the game that was verified through Steam. When they stop support, they are not removing the licenses you own.

This event is something you already agreed to when you created your account. The same thing happened when they dropped support for XP and Vista.

[76561199496784570]

sadly console gaming outdates faster then PC does. ps 6 and xbox V on the approach by 2028

[Chika Ogiue]

Escrito originalmente por Runkel:

Use one of the existing threads, theres really no need for ANOTHER post.

But then they can't all farm awards from each other.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por my little unicorn:

sadly console gaming outdates faster then PC does. ps 6 and xbox V on the approach by 2028

Consoles are cheap and last for 7-8 years easily

[Citrinitas]

Escrito originalmente por Stormageddon:

I had windows 98 when I first started buying steam games.
Should I insist that steam was wrong for stopping support for windows 98? XP?
This is stupid. Window 10 came out 8 years ago. How long is valve responsible to support operating systems that even the developer of said operating system has ended the support on?

It's a very basic expectation to be able to play the games you've paid for as long as they run on said operation systems. The buyer is not responsible for the flawed technicalities of a store they bought from.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

i understand that as technology grows, older technology eventually gets replaced and no longer supported, i'm not going to contest that.

what i ask is for a reasonable explanation (not some cookie cutter corporate copypaste) as to why you (steam) are intentionally locking players out of the games they paid for. some of us, like myself can't afford to upgrade the hardware necessary to update to a newer version of windows REGARDLESS if that version of spyware is free.

so why can't you offer the highly reasonable option of simply just not updating the steam client for windows 7 users and let us at the very least keep the OFFLINE version of the client we are compatible with? this would still let us play our games WE OWN with little to no extra work on your part to let that happen.. if you have to lock us out of the steam store to let us keep the offline version of the client then that is far more reasonable than just arbitrarily locking us out of the games we are currently capable of playing.

i hope you can resolve this horrifically anti-consumer play. it's the biggest "♥♥♥♥ you" that steam has ever shoved in my face considering how long ive been a customer.

Windows 10 system requirements:
Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC

RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit

Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS or 20 GB for 64-bit OS

Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver

Display: 800 x 600

[Nuri]

Escrito originalmente por my little unicorn:

sadly console gaming outdates faster then PC does. ps 6 and xbox V on the approach by 2028

Console gaming is irrelevant, console games have always been sold under the reasonable assumption they work for the console they were sold for alone.

Now if a console company went and YOLO released a patch that stopped your games working on an older console and demanded you upgrade to a new console to access your games, that'd be blatantly illegal anti-consumer conduct.

You don't have a right to expect forward compatibility, you DO have a fundamental right to expect software to function on the hardware and operating software it was designed for and sold with/for.

An old Playstation owner has all the right in the world to expect old Playstation games to work on their old console. They own the console and the games as their legal property.

An older PC hardware and OS user has all the right in the world to expect old PC games to work on their old PC and OS. They own the PC, OS and the games as their legal property.

Steam, Valve, DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO IMPEDE THE OWNERS ACCESS TO OR STEAL SAID PROPERTY.

[Hello My Name Is Inigo Montoya]

This and pay for steam workshop where they mass banned over 100k users for saying anything g about steam workshop until papa haven came back and unbanned us

[CapNKirkland]

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

The games attached to your account aren't 'your property'. You only own a license to the game that was verified through Steam. When they stop support, they are not removing the licenses you own.

This event is something you already agreed to when you created your account. The same thing happened when they dropped support for XP and Vista.

all you've done here is highlight exactly why you should always buy physical media and never digital.

[Cojultad]

Escrito originalmente por BJWyler:

Escrito originalmente por Weimu:

why is there a sudden flood of threads about this now? like holy hell theres so many posted in the last 10 hours, it was known for a while that windows 7 support is going away so why is there so many complaints again all of a sudden

They updated the client to show a banner notification to anyone using an unsupported system.

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

i understand that as technology grows, older technology eventually gets replaced and no longer supported, i'm not going to contest that.

And yet the rest of your post is pretty much doing just that.

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

what i ask is for a reasonable explanation (not some cookie cutter corporate copypaste) as to why you (steam) are intentionally locking players out of the games they paid for.

It's already been explained in detail countless times. Just because you call it a cookie cutter response doesn't make it any less of a fact. Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft, and hasn't been for four years already. Be thankful that both Chromium and Steam have continued to support it beyond the manufacturer. Chromium is being updated and will no longer work with Windows 7. Steam required Chromium to function properly, therefore Steam needs to be upgraded in order to function properly. That's all there is too it.

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

some of us, like myself can't afford to upgrade the hardware necessary to update to a newer version of windows REGARDLESS if that version of spyware is free.

You have 8 months to save. You can get a basic system that will run Steam and your games for anywhere from $500 to less than $1000. That's $15-$30 a week. Even if you have ZERO money in a Savings and/or Checking account, I'm pretty sure that part if not all of that money can be had saving and scrimping on something else that is not a necessity.

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

so why can't you offer the highly reasonable option of simply just not updating the steam client for windows 7 users and let us at the very least keep the OFFLINE version of the client we are compatible with? this would still let us play our games WE OWN with little to no extra work on your part to let that happen.. if you have to lock us out of the steam store to let us keep the offline version of the client then that is far more reasonable than just arbitrarily locking us out of the games we are currently capable of playing.

i hope you can resolve this horrifically anti-consumer play. it's the biggest "♥♥♥♥ you" that steam has ever shoved in my face considering how long ive been a customer.

Why can't computer and motherboard manufacturers continue to support 5.25" and 3.5" floppy disks? After all it costs them nothing right to continue to make and support that hardware so I can continue to play my vintage games ... that I paid for, by the way, right?

Are you stupid or something? I can still use floppy discs right now. They don't cease to work unless you download x y z

[wesnef]

Escrito originalmente por CapNKirkland:

all you've done here is highlight exactly why you should always buy physical media and never digital.

Which, of course, hasn't meant much on the PC for years now. The disc is generally just some of the files, or a launcher, and most of what you're getting in the box is a product key to activate on a digital service (whether that's Steam/Epic, or the publisher's own launcher, or whichever).

edit: and I say this as someone who'd always preferred physical media both for my shelf full of boxes & nostalgia, and for avoiding downloads because of installing data from disc.