Class action law suit coming over forced windows 10 upgrade

[efeljay]

I will not be upgrading to windows 10, especially when someone is attempting to force me to do so.
You can give me and everyone who will not accept this forced upgrade a full refund for all of our games, or you can face a class action law suit that you will loose.
Bad move steam, not a good decision at all.
=FLJ=

[Chika Ogiue]

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}님이 먼저 게시:

uh how 'bout NO

We shall see about that kid. I have 12 years legal experience and friends who are veteran contract attorneys who will love this opportunity... Hopefully it doesn't come to that but in the adult realm it very well may...

Okay, if you have 12 years legal experience and access to other experts, could you please explain which part of the excerpted terms (quoted below) in the Steam Subscriber Agreement, which you agree to by using Steam, did you and your experts not understand.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

[BJWyler]

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

I appreciate your good intentions and your constructive post!
I believe that class action law suits are going to be required to address some of the valid concerns and problems we are all facing.

Then why wait? You can start the process right now since Valve's intentions have been made known. The process of Class Action does not have to be delayed until the system goes into actual effect.

I am bookmarking this thread so I can keep tabs on the progress of your action. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[efeljay]

Mirai님이 먼저 게시:

If you, the OP, actually do go through with trying to form a class action lawsuit I would be interested to see the results of that.

You have a right to legally challenge this should you so choose, and frankly, I think this is a standard that should be tested by the law but lawsuits are very costly and will be a difficult road that may ultimately be in vain though I think there's some merit to it myself since it treads in customers' rights to products they purchase, digital or otherwise.

Regardless if you think people should just update, or you don't agree with updating, everyone should care about how far your rights go.

Nx Machina님이 먼저 게시:

@ efeljay

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement

2. LICENSES ⏶ (snipped)

A. General Content and Services License

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates (unless to the extent required by applicable law), new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion.

There was at least one case I read about where a judge in the U.S. struck down terms and conditions like these and ruled that they cannot be enforced from a legal standpoint, and the company lost the case. If one judge struck them down, he may not be the only one who would.

Outstanding Mirai, thank you very much for taking the time to hear my concerns and to share this information. I really appreciate your support. You clearly articulate my concerns and the issues regarding consumers rights and who is liable for this potential breach of contract/fiduciary duties. As you are aware civil suits and litigation should be only be used as a last resort, but it may be necessary under these proposed circumstances. I do have experience and have successfully filed and won all 3 cases that i was forced to file in the past where i was almost killed and suffered permanent injuries. The type of attorneys will likely be consumer rights advocates/contract law experts who are willing to do it on a contingency basis. I am confident that they exist and that if necessary this battle can be fought and won.

[efeljay]

BJWyler님이 먼저 게시:

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

I appreciate your good intentions and your constructive post!
I believe that class action law suits are going to be required to address some of the valid concerns and problems we are all facing.

Then why wait? You can start the process right now since Valve's intentions have been made known. The process of Class Action does not have to be delayed until the system goes into actual effect.

I am bookmarking this thread so I can keep tabs on the progress of your action. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

In case you do not have experience with civil suits i will try to explain.
Right now we are the phase of trying to share our concerns with steam to hopefully work out a new proposed solution that works for all parties involved. This current proposal is unacceptable for many, myself included.
In the event steam decides to go through with their current proposal that will undermine our access and ability to play the games we paid for, then there will be a cause of action at that point in time and is when the statute of limitations clock begins to tick. After that you file when ready and before the statute of limitations expires. In the event it comes to that, now is the time to begin preparing just in case. Hopefully it will not come to that and steam will be open to work out another solutions that works for all parties involved.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I think Steam Valve price gouging is a better class-action lawsuit.

[efeljay]

Chika Ogiue님이 먼저 게시:

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

We shall see about that kid. I have 12 years legal experience and friends who are veteran contract attorneys who will love this opportunity... Hopefully it doesn't come to that but in the adult realm it very well may...

Okay, if you have 12 years legal experience and access to other experts, could you please explain which part of the excerpted terms (quoted below) in the Steam Subscriber Agreement, which you agree to by using Steam, did you and your experts not understand.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

If i thought your question was sincere i would answer it, but you come across as a snarky kid who is jumping in a debate that you do not understand and who does not care about the valid concerns of the many steam customers like myself.

[efeljay]

Wynters님이 먼저 게시:

I think Steam Valve price gouging is a better class-action lawsuit.

They might be connected as pattern of unethical business practices.

[BJWyler]

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

In case you do not have experience with civil suits i will try to explain.
Right now we are the phase of trying to share our concerns with steam to hopefully work out a new proposed solution that works for all parties involved. This current proposal is unacceptable for many, myself included.
In the event steam decides to go through with their current proposal that will undermine our access and ability to play the games we paid for, then there will be a cause of action at that point in time and is when the statute of limitations clock begins to tick. After that you file when ready and before the statute of limitations expires. In the event it comes to that, now is the time to begin preparing just in case. Hopefully it will not come to that and steam will be open to work out another solutions that works for all parties involved.

I have experience. Been a part of a couple of Class Actions in the past. Biggest hurdle is the initial start up and gathering of complaintants, which can be done before papers are filed in the court system. Saves a lot of time that way.

It's quite clear, based on past history, that Valve is not (nor may be able to), delay or go back on this decision. So the time to start is now, that way, come 8 months from now, the papers can be filed on day one to start the court proceedings.

[wesnef]

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}님이 먼저 게시:

ppl tried class action lawsuits when they ended support on 98 and xp nothing happened so same will happen with this one

ya im a kid when im older then u, ok shirley

if you are in fact older then me you are extremely unaware of where people are at and how things work today.

re: "unaware of how things work today"

How things work nowadays? Class action suits are a scam for opportunistic lawyers to pocket incredible fees while not helping any of the "class".

[Chika Ogiue]

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

If i thought your question was sincere i would answer it, but you come across as a snarky kid who is jumping in a debate that you do not understand and who does not care about the valid concerns of the many steam customers like myself.

As I suspected. You don't understand any of it. Thanks for the clarification. As for valid concerns, what concerns? You need to keep upgrading PCs to continue to use them, that's the nature of the beast has been since the day I started using them in 1991. Valve are not taking anything from you. Your licences remain in your Steam account and will be waiting for when you finally join the majority of Steam users on one of the supported OSes. If you still have concerns over that, then take your lawsuit to Microsoft and their insistence to drop support for their own operating system. But I'm sure if your friends truly are legal experts in an appropriate field, they'd talk sense into you.

And if I come off as snarky, it's because like most here, I'm tired of people not using the existing threads. Only, I'm not going to tread on eggshells for you.

[lagcats]

Lets be real everyone is just going to upgrade to win10-11 anyways

[ELoyros]

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}님이 먼저 게시:

efeljay님이 먼저 게시:

No you dont care and you dont speak for everyone.

majority of steam userbase dont care about win7

<1% on win7
no one cares
hence the point that
"no one cares"

So in your opinion if the majority does not care about something that effect a minority, that minority should have no rights and should stay silent?

[BJWyler]

ELoyros님이 먼저 게시:

Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}님이 먼저 게시:

majority of steam userbase dont care about win7

<1% on win7
no one cares
hence the point that
"no one cares"

So in your opinion if the majority does not care about something that effect a minority, that minority should have no rights and should stay silent?

Not necessarily. But you do have to understand the reality of the situation and the fact that you could be barking up the wrong tree.

I think consumer rights in regards to digital software has been behind the times for a long time. And I certainly do not like the idea of forced obsolescence. I don't like the fact that Microsoft has changed certain things in Windows that kills off things like Virtual PC and Virtual Machine/XP mode. I don't like the fact that Hyper-V doesn't support the older versions of Windows. I don't like the fact that they push a subscription service for Office instead of letting us buy the suite to install and use for as long as we like (so I can use my older Outlook for Hotmail). I don't like the fact that I have to nurse along older systems so that I can continue to use things like 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives and the software I have on that media.

But this has also been a fact of life for the technology sector for the last 40 years, or more. And there's not a whole lot that can legally change that at this point.

[flobefall]

Oh, another one of these posts.

Just read those two parts carefully:
About Licences and system requirements:
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#2
About potential lawsuits:
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/#11

Oh yeah, and use this forum's search function to look up how many WinXP users demanded the exact same when Valve announced to drop the support for their OS. Guess what? Nothing happend. Not a single case even went to court.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Instead of screeching at it, do it. All you folks are doing, is screeching endlessly. If you plan to sue, do it. Don't sit there, musing about it, giving "big bad Steam" time to muster up a solid legal defense.