Excessive banning/Censorship on Steam: TOS should be modified.

[Squashbuckler]

Finally back after being banned for one month...


Thanks to everyone who kept this thread alive. Also, thanks to those who have not supported this thread by keeping out message heard!



Herein lies the problem with Censorship:

My Hypothesis was that "Helicopter Parenting" leads to overly sensitive children and a sterile environment. When that hypothesis was banned from the discussion, and "Idea" was effectively eliminated from the minds of anyone who was potentially following this topic.

This is inherently insidious, and damages the fabric our our society as we continue to have ideas eliminated by the gatekeepers of opinions and thoughts. Yes, this is just one forum, but why stop here? How many "bans" are we going to accept and perpetrate on other people? Just let people speak and stop reporting them.

Original Post:

In my 14 years on steam, I have to say that the banning and censorship has now reached a new level. (I cant even offer a descriptive word for fear of being "Banned", once again).

In fact, the TOS is unreasonable should be amended:
"This post contains content that is combative, argumentative, or likely to derail"

What kind of world are we living in when we cannot be "Argumentative?" The oxford Dictionary defines this as " given to expressing divergent or opposite views". This is the foundation of a civilized society, not censored speech.

Moreover, I dont think it is reasonable to be banned for weeks by asking if DEI initiatives are present in a game. That is not a discriminatory commentary, that is a legitimate inquiry with regard to a political position. If I were to ask if right wing ideology is present in a game, or to ask where on the spectrum a game exists, that is not discriminatory discussion. That is simply inquiring as to the political leanings of a game. A purchaser has the right to withhold monies from games that do not fit with his/her alignment.

As human beings, if you keep hitting report and desire to censor speech, eventually when they come for your speech, you wont have any. Speech suppression is a political tool, and those that desire to give up freedoms for security will regret it.

Let people debate and speak on these forums. Who cares if one person calls another person a name. Why do the readers of this post feel the need to hit "report" ?
It is the mark of an educated mind to hear an opinion or criticism, you don't need to accept it. Many have insulted me here and have disagreed with me, and that is fine. If I dont accept their gift (The insult), they are left holding the bag.

The molly-coddling of our youth that is allegedly the reason for mental health issues is nonsense. When an individual has confidence and is unaffected by social media and the opinions of others, they are more resilient.

It seems that any slight criticism or comment results in a "ban". This has absolutely gone too far.

Game companies can openly push political agendas, but any contrary opinion to it results in a ban.

Allow people to speak, and only moderate hate speech ( I.e: Prohibited grounds)

I dont like social justice/DEI initiatives in my games. When I ask about whether or not they are contained, I receive bans. How is this acceptable?

If you are banned by a dev, protest it! Don't let devs push their agendas in forums

If you are the kind of person that keeps hitting report, give it a rest.


At least steam kept this thread going..

Update: Had my Witcher 3 forum post deleted for saying the : " Main story was missing something, and generally weak". I was accused of being a "troll" because I had not yet updated my review from years ago. This is madness.

TL:DR : The forum rules need to change.

[Satoru]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3830914916566676313/

I mean its insanely ironic and hilarous that the OP talks of 'censorship' but then simultaneously wants to 'censor' their own behavior

[The Commendatore]

Escrito originalmente por Satoru:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3830914916566676313/

I mean its insanely ironic and hilarous that the OP talks of 'censorship' but then simultaneously wants to 'censor' their own behavior

That's funny.

[Weimu]

Escrito originalmente por Satoru:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3830914916566676313/

I mean its insanely ironic and hilarous that the OP talks of 'censorship' but then simultaneously wants to 'censor' their own behavior

holy ♥♥♥♥ hahahaha

[flobefall]

Did we already had that old sucked "freedom of speech" argument or did OP save it for later?

[MadZec]

Escrito originalmente por flo.ryan911:

Did we already had that old sucked "freedom of speech" argument or did OP save it for later?

He is probably saving it for later.... if he planned it properly....

[d3str0y3r]

Escrito originalmente por flo.ryan911:

Did we already had that old sucked "freedom of speech" argument or did OP save it for later?

I am starting to wonder if i need to get my response for the freedom of speech threads on copy/paste. They keep popping up more and more. lol

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por d3str0y3r:

Escrito originalmente por flo.ryan911:

Did we already had that old sucked "freedom of speech" argument or did OP save it for later?

I am starting to wonder if i need to get my response for the freedom of speech threads on copy/paste. They keep popping up more and more. lol

Feel free to link them to this if you want, its why I made it for those threads. Comes up enough that I was getting tired of repeating it over and over.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2923469968

[Maria]

Escrito originalmente por Satoru:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3830914916566676313/
I mean its insanely ironic and hilarous that the OP talks of 'censorship' but then simultaneously wants to 'censor' their own behavior

I just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ died

[d3str0y3r]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por d3str0y3r:

I am starting to wonder if i need to get my response for the freedom of speech threads on copy/paste. They keep popping up more and more. lol

Feel free to link them to this if you want, its why I made it for those threads. Comes up enough that I was getting tired of repeating it over and over.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2923469968

LMAO i love it. 100% bookmarking that.

[KalGimpa]

Escrito originalmente por Squashbuckler:

In my 14 years on steam, I have to say that the banning and censorship has now reached a new level. (I cant even offer a descriptive word for fear of being "Banned", once again).


It seems that any slight criticism or comment results in a "ban". This has absolutely gone too far.

Game companies can openly push political agendas, but any contrary opinion to it results in a ban.

Allow people to speak, and only ban "Hate speech".
Who cares if people are "insulting eachother". This is not pre-school. We are all adults here.

Let people speak.

what you are looking for is a blog

with that, you can say what you want and not worry about the "owners" of these boards banning you from their space

[Tito Shivan]

Escrito originalmente por Squashbuckler:

It seems that any slight criticism or comment results in a "ban". This has absolutely gone too far.

I've highlighted the key word of your argument.

Escrito originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

You don't even need to insult someone to get banned, though. All you gotta do is disagree with them On the other hand, certain insults go unnoticed, somehow.

I've disagreed with lots of people for years and never got not even a warning. Maybe it's not disagreement what gets these people banned. Maybe it's something else.

[Weimu]

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

I've disagreed with lots of people for years and never got not even a warning. Maybe it's not disagreement what gets these people banned. Maybe it's something else.

correct. it's always the people who shout the loudest about internet censorship that are the ones who cannot behave like adults or control themselves. but ironically even "pro speech" platforms still censor opinions that are on the other side of the aisle or trolls who just post spam and drama. almost like moderation is required to allow people to actually discuss things

[captainwiseass]

Me: *being kicked out of Golden Corral for taking a ♥♥♥♥ in the salad bar* Help, help, I'm being oppressed!

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por 󠀡󠀡:

Firstly, the right to freedom of speech serves as a cornerstone for democratic societies, enabling citizens to express their opinions, engage in open debate, and hold authorities accountable. By suggesting that people who face consequences for their speech are simply "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" deserving of dismissal, the meme oversimplifies the situation and encourages an unhelpful, binary way of thinking.

You didn't read it. Freedom of speech means NOTHING when it comes to a private BUSINESS. It only applies to the GOVERNMENT, not private companies like Steam.....

So again you've made the same mistake as many have. You do not actually know what freedom of speech actually means, you just use it as an excuse when you get censored without realizing that freedom of speech only prevents the government from censoring your speech...

Suggest you brush up on what Freedom of speech and the first amendment actually is - https://www.carnegielibrary.org/the-first-amendment-and-censorship/

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

Escrito originalmente por 󠀡󠀡:

Firstly, the right to freedom of speech serves as a cornerstone for democratic societies, enabling citizens to express their opinions, engage in open debate, and hold authorities accountable. By suggesting that people who face consequences for their speech are simply "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" deserving of dismissal, the meme oversimplifies the situation and encourages an unhelpful, binary way of thinking.

You didn't read it. Freedom of speech means NOTHING when it comes to a private BUSINESS. It only applies to the GOVERNMENT, not private companies like Steam.....

So again you've made the same mistake as many have. You do not actually know what freedom of speech actually means, you just use it as an excuse when you get censored without realizing that freedom of speech only prevents the government from censoring your speech...

Odd that so many people who try to cite the first amendment, don't know what the first amendment entails.

It's not a get out of jail free card for crappy behavior across the board, like they seem to think it is. Lol