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rules for thee and not for me, heh?
asshat was and is used more than once.. so you pointing to a single instance is just.. moving goalposts and even then calling someone an "asshat" is an insult and would lead to a ban in a matter of minutes for others.
I don't know how thats being ignored when this kind of moderation is the reason for all these topics..
Not changing any rules.
I saw the other uses. All of them are general statements along the lines of "don't be an asshat". None of them are directed at a specific user. None of them are insulting a specific user.
Lets see I have received bans for:
dont be a troll = ban
dont be a clown = ban
linking to a forum topic = ban
certain users can talk all the smack they want:
dont be an asshat = ok
still ignoring moderation/support issues. So back to ingoring you and others since you are not interested in resolving obvious issues with moderation/support.
It would be good to resolve obvious issues.
The problem is, the 'issues' that you claim to have aren't caused by support or anyone else.
As pointed out . The Rules Guidelines uses the wording "Don't Be Rude". Yet it is not calling any specific person rude.
I suspect you'd have fewer bans under your belt if you actually took the time to understand context and nuance as opposed to trying to find loopholes and exploits in the rules. YOu're like the first person I've encountered in years of using that that somehow fails to understand the meaning.....
Yep,
telling a user to stop being an Asshat = being rude,
telling a user that as long as people aren't asshats they tend to avoid moderation = NOT being rude
It's all in the context of how you say it, same when you deal with support. I've seen people curse at support, be rude to them, and then wonder why support doesn't want to help them and why they even get penalized with 30 day bans or other penalties from support.
I've actually disagreed with support, but done so in a polite manner and often they elevate the ticket and the person reviewing it almost always ends up agreeing because I tend to follow the rules. The key is how you talk to people.
Let it go.
It was a 24 hour ban. I appealed it to support, but quickly said basically "you know what, whatever, I'm done getting banned for not rulebreaking while others repeatedly break the rules and nothing happens to them". Support responded and said the ban was upheld. But here's what's interesting: a bit before support responded, one of the more persistently insulting people not only got banned, they got vaped altogether. I find this interesting because I had reported a number of this person's posts and behavior days before, and only were they acted upon after I made evident my disappointment with the moderation here.
This was not long after I was banned for a week for a non-rulebreaking "offense"(which was lifted on appeal), and another which I got days before, again for non-rulebreaking behavior. All of this while the "camp" in question kept insisting that "if you don't break the rules, you won't get banned". Then when they were proven wrong, they said "it must be a mistake, or you must have deserved it".
My conclusion therefore is that, while the mods are willing to be just in their enforcement, as in any bureaucracy, nothing gets done until someone emphatically makes clear their disappointment with the system. This seems to indicate that the mods are either understaffed or overwhelmed, and I do maintain that a certain group of users, I believe, are capitalizing on that fact.
One way or another, it's become evident that there's no point posting here, because once you earn the rancor of the group, they will stalk you and harass you and get you banned any way they can. I originally came here to discuss the W7 support ending, saw a certain number of people sneering at, condescending to, and talking down to anyone displeased with Valve policy, and routinely white knighting for a multi-billion dollar corporation, often simply saying "Valve doesn't care about you". I was aghast at such behavior being allowed, expecting the Steam forums to be better managed than to allow such a thing, but now it makes far more sense.
I advise those who experience this torrent of toxic behavior to report them at every opportunity, because they will do the same to you. Sadly, fighting fire with fire is the only way to combat them, as even speaking of their behavior seems to be a bannable offense. I strongly suspect even this comment will draw that attention. Oh, well. Have at it.
Or if people stop breaking the rules you don't get banned, and if you do by accident its fixed by support as you saw yourself. There will always be mistakes made, and when a mistake is made the ban will be removed.
I disagree with almost everything you've said on these forums, and I personally found your posts to be needlessly confrontational, but damn if you didn't make me think and I respect that.
When there were volunteer mods, they would commonly post in threads as a warning to stop derailing or just flaming/fighting. That usually was enough to bring the thread back on track.
It's a bit ironic that some people would complain about being banned when they are themselves not followers of rules. It is less about camps, more about "follow the rules and you will not get banned" which Brian already said. Mods aren't perfect, neither are we.
....the complete opposite lesson.*sigh*
Moderation is slow...that's been said frequently and agreed upon as an ACTUAL problem with moderation. Why does this surprise you?
The Mods are basically working throuigh an ever growing stack of reports, some false, some just and they can only work so fast. I mean you can pretty much tell where they've reached ine that stack based on the bans.
Granted I do suspect they've learned to keep a closer eye and tifghter leash on certain repeat offenders.
Is it this mysterious group, or is it your behaviour and mannerisms that are causing you trouble? If the conclusion you keep coming to is the former, then its probably in everyone's best iknterest if you stopped using the steam forums, game hub or otherwise since I suspect it will only lead to grief for for all inviolved.
The decision was made. Not the first time this has happened. Not the last time it will happen. And every time you more or less the same arguments.
So basically you're telling people to do the very thing you believe but cannot prove others are doing thereby creating the very problem you imagined. Yeah see this is why you keep running into problems oon the forum m8.
You are already in the 1% of fourum users who have received multiple bans this early into the year. Just. Think about it. How is it that roughly 99% of people on the forums manage to not get bans. Heck even in the W7 thread, how is it that most of the people complaining have managed not to get bans while yuou on the other hand have copped multiple?
If what you were saying is tryue then surely most of them would have also gotten bans, but no. They haven't.
That little statistic alone should give you reason to reconsider your assessment,. Unless you think they are in the mysterious cabal as well.
Ironically thats exactly what the V-Mods did but as always the side breaking the rules were the ones to accuse the v-mods of bias and favoritism everytime theyy were called out. Basically you have a set that seems to interpret any action, be it ban, warning, or admonishment against them as bias.
So now we have this . A System where the mods are so fare removed from the player base that they ofte times miss even basic context and nuance. And the same voices that cheered are now the ones complaining the loudest.
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.