Why is "Troll" NOT a bannable offense?

[Zarod]

As far as I see it, saying " you are a troll " does the following:

- robs of the person the authority of having an opinion
- assumes malicious intent, even if the question is genuine
- derails the converstation, as the question/problem posted by the OP is now shifted to attacks on his/her character

On the opposite side, really hurtful and harrassing statements are not even moderated, which can even be read as a silent endorsment.

I have no problem with harsh speech, freedom of speech and expression is paramount, but when instead of ideas and products is directed at individual people that I have a problem.

The main issue tho is: why is "troll" different from any other slur directed at an individual, made to discriminate and paint in a negative light someone alongside his/her opinions?

Thanks and have a good day.

[peppermint hollows]

"Troll" is treated different from "any other slur" because "troll" is not a slur to begin with. It's an easy thing to call someone, sure, but it's not against the rules to question whether someone is actually being genuine or not in their posts which is what accusing someone of being trolling is.

In fact, according to the rules "Trolling or baiting arguments" are considered to be an example of "disrespectful content" and thus are against the rules. Just because someone accuses you of being a troll doesn't instantly mean you will lose all credibility, it depends on if other people reading the thread and that specific reply believe said accusation. That is up for people reading the thread themselves to decide.

If someone is genuinely derailing the thread and just name-calling you, report them.

[kitt]

hm?

I received a forum ban for calling someone a "trol". Its just instance of selective moderation.

[Mr. Smiles]

Hell yeah, let's victimize the trolls so they can get a free ticket to do what they love.

If someone is trolling, you better bet I'ma call them out. Then proceed to slap that ignore button and starve em out.

[Zarod]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

"Troll" is treated different from "any other slur" because "troll" is not a slur to begin with. It's an easy thing to call someone, sure, but it's not against the rules to question whether someone is actually being genuine or not in their posts which is what accusing someone of being trolling is.

In fact, according to the rules "Trolling or baiting arguments" are considered to be an example of "disrespectful content" and thus are against the rules. Just because someone accuses you of being a troll doesn't instantly mean you will lose all credibility, it depends on if other people reading the thread and that specific reply believe said accusation. That is up for people reading the thread themselves to decide.

If someone is genuinely derailing the thread and just name-calling you, report them.

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
"Slur"

1.
an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.

By definition and by function, i cannot see it as anything BUT what it is.
What i would appreciate is that people would stick to arguments and examples and debate.

We are all in the same team, and most people deserve to be treated with respect.

[✨Saint✨]

Any derogatory word can be a problem, especially used in a certain context.
Trolling is when someone deliberately tries to upset others online. Trolling can lead to a pile on, when others join in the attack. Don't feed the trolls, just report them.

[Zarod]

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

Hell yeah, let's victimize the trolls so they can get a free ticket to do what they love.

If someone is trolling, you better bet I'ma call them out. Then proceed to slap that ignore button and starve em out.

Victimizing is not the goal.

The goal is to create an environment that promotes healthy discussions.
They can be negative and with deep disagreements, BUT with the maturity of knowing that we should be working towards the same goal and aiming to improve eachother.

[󠄉󠀁󠀁󠁿󠁿]

Just grow a thicker skin, it solves everything in the internet, and in life general, if you're too fragile to not handle trolls, or the "wrong opinion" and take them personally, it is better to touch grass and do something more productive.

Trolls are part of the culture of internet, and they're not something you take seriously, but something akin to dark comedy, internet trolls work on the principle anonymity, to generate outlandish ideas and reactions.

[Zarod]

Originally posted by :

Just grow a thicker skin it solves everything in the internet and in life general, if you're too fragile to handle trolls, or the "wrong opinion" and take them personally, it is better to touch grass and do something more productive.

Yes, another way of seeing it is that the people that SAY "troll" and indeed engaging in "trolling"

[Tempus animae]

trolling is fun and relaxing, but I have not much time these days to go fishing...

Britannica Dictionary definition of TROLL
1
: to fish with a hook and line that you pull through the water
[+ object]

They were trolling the ocean floor.

[no object]
— often + for

They trolled for fish.

Sure, a Troll could also be a Demon or giant. Thats where the word cam from. But in context. As in, online in chat etc. if some one calls you a Troll, you probably know why.^^
And Yes, The start of this commen it kind of mild trolling~

[Zarod]

Originally posted by Zeitseele:

trolling is fun and relaxing, but I have not much time these days to go fishing...

Britannica Dictionary definition of TROLL
1
: to fish with a hook and line that you pull through the water
[+ object]

They were trolling the ocean floor.

[no object]
— often + for

They trolled for fish.

Sure, a Troll could also be a Demon or giant. Thats where the word cam from. But in context. As in, online in chat etc. if some one calls you a Troll, you probably know why.^^
And Yes, The start of this commen it kind of mild trolling~

But it ISN'T

You intentionally or not touched on my issue precisely.

What you did is " jester-ing " ... which is not rude, funny, and completely acceptable.
Never in your " not-trolling" was there an attempt to directly target me or my right to have an opinion.

You are free to " make light " of someone's problem, so as to express your perspective that it is not that big of a deal, which is fine and even correct.

What should NOT be encouraged and rewarded are targeting of character and harrassment.

[Phantasmagoria]

I wonder why you want it banned OP? Are you perhaps a Troll who doesn't wish to be called out? Quite interesting...

[Zarod]

Originally posted by Phantasmagoria:

I wonder why you want it banned OP? Are you perhaps a Troll who doesn't wish to be called out? Quite interesting...

I wish for every person to be given the respect of being able to hold an opinion, express it and share it peacefully

[󠄉󠀁󠀁󠁿󠁿]

Harrasment is not trolling, it is harrassment, i do not see it being encouraged anywhere, nor does Steam, encourage it with worthless Steam awards and points, but just remember that if someone calls your opinion stupid it is not harrassment, it's just basic internet speech, but if someone targets you specifically, and with rude and unpolite remarks then it's something you can report.

[Zarod]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/3818543965124148946/

These people, in a forum about a game, are talking about me.
The user is farming points, claiming he banned me,
while my only crime was responding too quickly,
and the moderator assuming i wanted attention, when in reality if there was an option to make the post not update the list i would always check it.

it is the definition of targeted harrassment, but it is still up.

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Zarod:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/3818543965124148946/

These people, in a forum about a game, are talking about me.
The user is farming points, claiming he banned me,
while my only crime was responding too quickly,

it is the definition of targeted harrassment, but it is still up.

One might argue that if multiple different people seem to all agree you are the problem, then the issue is much more likely to be with your behavior.