Are Social norms reflected in how online competitive games are played?

[Hiro]

i have noticed a lack of empathy from online gamers, similar to how a person has a lack of empathy for others in the real world, and i wonder if anyone else has noticed this.

for example when someone gets upset in a videogame (not like rage upset, more like im being bullied upset), cause i have noticed it happens sometimes that some people who play casualy get railed by others, and people that want to share critizism of some games are also attacked, it seems that gamers and a good majority at that are rather aggressive towards people both in game and on the internet and lack empathy and or understanding

and another good example is with the new "skill issue" taunt, i dont know about you but usually when i hear "skill issue" its not being said like: "men i ♥♥♥♥ at this game" "haha skill issue" "haha ayyy"

no it sounds more like people are saying "its your own fault", but its not, some people play the game almost 15 hours a day and same game day after day, its natural that those people will get much more better than others, wile theres people like me that dont play that much, we want to enjoy the game but instead we are met by violent competitiveness, and when we want the developers to make the game better for casual gamers, we are met with aggressive compettive gamers that insult us because "we dont try hard enough", heard that one before? cause i have

when someone comments about a homeless person, its always said that "they dont try hard enough" specialy in the US, but its been literally proven that a lot of times homeless people even have college diplomas

either way thats not the focus of the discussion

the idea is that people also say that homeless people are lazy, that they dont "try hard enough" and the same is said in gaming, with gamers saying that people that arent that good at the game dont try hard enough, but its not that we dont try ahrd enough, its that we dont have the same time you do and/or patience to constantly play a game for hours on end, with the sole purpose of wining

we usually dont want to make things worse for the other players, we just wanna have a chance to play and feel victorious too, an amount of success after a long day of tiring depressing work, and then again this gamers then say

"just play something else", this seems rather similar to "just quit"

now this two are a little similar, some people actively love the mechanics of online games, they are usually more fun than other games for some people, and telling someone to "play something else" its rather rude

and so thats why i continue to wonder, if the way we aggresively see the world is affecting how we see videogames and is in a way hurting us mentally both outside and inside the internet

this is my personal opinion but i do notice that there are gamers that dont really take shi- talk well, maybe you have noticed this?

[Reported.]

The reality is: Some people take games exceptionally seriously, for some reason, as if its their only defining character trait as a person . And with that comes all that follows. Also, some have never really experienced the humility of defeat or failure, or the learning experiences that follow.

[Hiro]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Janker:

The reality is: Some people take games exceptionally seriously, for some reason, as if its their only defining character trait as a person . And with that comes all that follows. Also, some have never really experienced the humility of defeat or failure, or the learning experiences that follow.

i see what you mean, but its scarily similar how some of the things they say sound so similar

"just learn to play" "just get a job" its scarily similar

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

This is the internet, you run into all kinds of people, some can be good, some are bad, some has problems, some don't, and so on.

Yes some people help others in some ways, while some may try to harm, or upset others. This isn't a gamer issue, as it beyond just gamers, it's everyone involved so even if game, or not it doesn't matter it the interaction, and communication what affects others.

Everyone has their own opinion, their own sense of humor, compassion, empathy, and so on. This is how the world been, even before video games exist that why it's not just gamers, but also fact some people are just toxic, and some are not, some people may be toxic because of hype, but truely we're all toxic as we all done mean things at some point. Some people may mean their rude things they say, and some won't, some want to break the ice, and lighten the mood, or so on, but here the problem, no one wants to always walk on egg shells, people rather stomp them, and enjoy their time instead of being force to consider of others, and it understandable not everyone want to be someone emotional supporter, or therapist, as maybe they have their own problems as well, or just tired of it, and wants to enjoy their time instead of worrying about someone feelings. That why not everything is black, and white, there always colours of all kinds of people in the world, and people that are overly sensitive will have to learn to toughen up, and don't expect others or baby them, or think the world revolves around them when it doesn't, so they have to learn over time it better to not let others affect you, and if need friends, actually get involved with others, if others want to get involved with you, take the chance to get involved so can make new friends, don't have to friend everyone, nor have to friend with people don't like.

[Lamundari]

There's no clear and cut answer to this . But what you shouldn't tell anybody is you take something too seriously. And that's not reserved to games . It's more of a life advice at this point. It's all a matter of perspective . What is just a game to you, might be much more to other people .If you can't handle compeittive games you can always branch out and play singeplayer games though. Nobody's buisniess.

[Thiesen]

Welcome to humanity... a humanity I am ashamed of being a part of

[Lithurge]

The internet gives a feeling of anonymity. The person displaying a lack of empathy doesn't see the other player as a person and also feels emboldened by the fact the other person doesn't see or know anything about them.

So they will behave in ways they wouldn't necessarily behave in a real life face to face situation.

Of course if American movies have taught me anything is you'll get people like that in real life and they will always lose.

[Crid]

being a rather casual gamer myself, I learned to avoid gamers who take playing video games much more seriously than I ever would - it's sad cause I would enjoy some fps every now and then, pvp can be fun, but I steer clear of that - "true" gamers who can play 18 hrs. a day will just kick you from a team for being not good/fast/experienced enough all the time - is this a reflection of real life ? unfortunately I think, yes, it is.
no matter if it's job, promotion, relationships etc. ppl will elbow you out of their way cause they feel superior for whatever reason
this behavior is even more encouraged on a platform where people remain anonymous and hardly ever have to fear consequences
on that note: be the change you want to see :)

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crid:

being a rather casual gamer myself, I learned to avoid gamers who take playing video games much more seriously than I ever would - it's sad cause I would enjoy some fps every now and then, pvp can be fun, but I steer clear of that - "true" gamers who can play 18 hrs. a day will just kick you from a team for being not good/fast/experienced enough all the time - is this a reflection of real life ? unfortunately I think, yes, it is.
no matter if it's job, promotion, relationships etc. ppl will elbow you out of their way cause they feel superior for whatever reason
this behavior is even more encouraged on a platform where people remain anonymous and hardly ever have to fear consequences
on that note: be the change you want to see :)

I can feel a level of animosity coming from this answer to be honest . I do agree on the real life part tho, but if you think it's always because they "feel" superior ... You're wrong. Problem is some people use the casual gamer excuse to never improve. Even if you don't play as much as others, you can get better. Of course, sometimes the complaints will never go away, as every place has it's bad apples, but otherwise you'll see the change .

[Slav Mcgopnik]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Janker:

The reality is: Some people take games exceptionally seriously, for some reason, as if its their only defining character trait as a person . And with that comes all that follows. Also, some have never really experienced the humility of defeat or failure, or the learning experiences that follow.

To be fair, this can go the other way to some degree too.

Last thing I want to hear in a serious ranked game is “guys it’s just a game” from the bottom performer. Like I get it’s for fun, but I’m also here to try and win.

Not that people should allow excessive rage to consume them to the point of being a problem, of course, but some upset can be justified depending on the circumstance.

(And of course, these standards are much laxer in quick/unranked/casual games, where nothing is on the line).

[Crid]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

I can feel a level of animosity coming from this answer to be honest . I do agree on the real life part tho, but if you think it's always because they "feel" superior ... You're wrong. Problem is some people use the casual gamer excuse to never improve. Even if you don't play as much as others, you can get better. Of course, sometimes the complaints will never go away, as every place has it's bad apples, but otherwise you'll see the change .

animosity? nah, a bit frustration, maybe - sorry it came across like that

being a casual gamer - for me - means playing for fun, entertainment, relaxation after a long day at work - it's no "excuse" not to get better at....what ? having fun ??
that is my goal when playing games, having fun, nothing else - just wanted to clarify that - it's another mindset than ppl who treat games like a job have.
If you are enjoying taking gaming that seriously, if you give value to rankings and leaderboards it's just as valid a mindset as mine, but still too different to play together I guess.

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crid:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

I can feel a level of animosity coming from this answer to be honest . I do agree on the real life part tho, but if you think it's always because they "feel" superior ... You're wrong. Problem is some people use the casual gamer excuse to never improve. Even if you don't play as much as others, you can get better. Of course, sometimes the complaints will never go away, as every place has it's bad apples, but otherwise you'll see the change .

animosity? nah, a bit frustration, maybe - sorry it came across like that

being a casual gamer - for me - means playing for fun, entertainment, relaxation after a long day at work - it's no "excuse" not to get better at....what ? having fun ??
that is my goal when playing games, having fun, nothing else - just wanted to clarify that - it's another mindset than ppl who treat games like a job have.
If you are enjoying taking gaming that seriously, if you give value to rankings and leaderboards it's just as valid a mindset as mine, but still too different to play together I guess.

Well, i have to agree with almost all you said but one... Having fun should also mean you become good enough at the game that you don't get rolled 24/7.You win some you lose some. I mean, i for one don't exactly have fun losing every single game ... But i guess it depends on the game you play as well. I don't mind some casual games from time to time myself.

[Crid]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quetzalcoatl:

Well, i have to agree with almost all you said but one... Having fun should also mean you become good enough at the game that you don't get rolled 24/7.You win some you lose some. I mean, i for one don't exactly have fun losing every single game ... But i guess it depends on the game you play as well. I don't mind some casual games from time to time myself.

I get what you mean and I agree - I don't play overly competitive games so I didn't think of it that way; makes sense if you put it like that.

[kitt]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Janker:

The reality is: Some people take games exceptionally seriously, for some reason, as if its their only defining character trait as a person . And with that comes all that follows. Also, some have never really experienced the humility of defeat or failure, or the learning experiences that follow.

I mostly play competitive/ranked in games and yes i expect other people to play serious in these modes.

But usually casual players go into ranked/comp instead of the 5 million other modes the games offers and then just eff around. So yea, I will get pissed because these people waste my time and are more or less throwing


I certainly have my fair share of words I have thrown at people (or the question why they are in ranked/comp when they just wanna chill and what not).





Anway, you better don't look at the Bloons forum. All they repsond is "skill issue".


Muting the chat and voice in games is the first thing to do in online games nowadays anyway

[Lamundari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kitt:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Janker:

The reality is: Some people take games exceptionally seriously, for some reason, as if its their only defining character trait as a person . And with that comes all that follows. Also, some have never really experienced the humility of defeat or failure, or the learning experiences that follow.

I mostly play competitive/ranked in games and yes i expect other people to play serious in these modes.

But usually casual players go into ranked/comp instead of the 5 million other modes the games offers and then just eff around. So yea, I will get pissed because these people waste my time and are more or less throwing


I certainly have my fair share of words I have thrown at people (or the question why they are in ranked/comp when they just wanna chill and what not).





Anway, you better don't look at the Bloons forum. All they repsond is "skill issue".


Muting the chat and voice in games is the first thing to do in online games nowadays anyway

A good point i forgot to make indeed ! Most if not all competitive games have a ranked/unranked mode, and other casual 4fun gamemodes outside of the original ,so that shouldn't be an issue . So when someone comes into a ranked game without the intention to win, the insults thrown are in all honesty deserved. I for one got insulted plenty myself, and also threw them back, it's the way it is.

[Reported.]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Slav Mcgopnik:

Not that people should allow excessive rage to consume them to the point of being a problem, of course, but some upset can be justified depending on the circumstance.

Therein lies the problem: they see "competitiveness" as an excuse to be toxic etc.

Being toxic is completely inexcusable.

It really isn't. It takes more of a person to be calm under pressure and accept defeat as a learning experience, while giving it your all.

It seems that is really too hard for some people, so they resort to being toxic so and sos and spiteful if they lose, when they really shouldn't be and show some more maturity.