I hate people leave negative review because of motion sickness

[Zero]

It's not that I am not sympathetic, but motion sickness is really a personal issue. Yes devs could try to minimize the effect, but at the end of the day it will still persist.

It's like if I am blind then I just go ahead and leave negative reviews on all games because they don't have accessibility options. Not mentioning that motion sickness is an issue that can be overcame, you just need to try really hard.

I have no video game motion sickness but extremely serious ground-vehicle motion sickness (oddly nothing from boats), but I won't blame the drivers because it's my own problem.

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MoonC A T lähetti viestin:

If I got motion sickness from a game and there was no way to mitigate it in the settings, I wouldn't recommend it either.

I agree really heavily with this. I'm not typically someone who is prone to getting motion sick from games, but that said, there are some instances where I do get motion sick from specific games, and sometimes that is a combination of the nature of the game itself and a failure on the developers' part to include options to remove certain effects that tend to end up being problematic for me.

And lack of comprehensive options in Settings menus in general is always a negative point for me (I feel like there is no excuse on a PC game not to have comprehensive options on every single aspect of Settings/Options), but even more so when it actively makes the game more difficult for me to play physically comfortably. Things like low FOV that can't be adjusted or headbobbing that can't be toggled off is very annoying, and it's 10 times as annoying when those things also are causing me discomfort or motion sickness.

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Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

You have to read it to be "offended" that it talks about motion sickness. But I see I was right about that waffles thing, or you would not have come up with an entirely different meaning to something I said.

You sound so confused, but don't worry, I can make it simple for you:

Popular games have thousands and thousands of reviews, the chances of people reading your review are tiny. Therefore, explaining that the game is not bad and you just gave it a thumbs down because of motion sickness is irrelevant.

Then there is no reason for the OP and wolfsun to be so upset. Glad we can agree.

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

You sound so confused, but don't worry, I can make it simple for you:

Popular games have thousands and thousands of reviews, the chances of people reading your review are tiny. Therefore, explaining that the game is not bad and you just gave it a thumbs down because of motion sickness is irrelevant.

Then there is no reason for the OP and wolfsun to be so upset. Glad we can agree.

Can you say that about game devs too?

[Wolfsun]

Azure Fang lähetti viestin:

...And it's worth noting that YOU have a number of opinion-based negative reviews that have nothing to do with the technical quality of the games.

Glass houses, mate.

7 of the 19 reviews I have posted are "NOT Recommended" All are opinion based as are most reviews which are, by their very nature, the opinion of the author. In my case each of my negative reviews opinions specifically address game features and why I believe them to be negative. Furthermore all of them were marked as helpful by their readers.

Need I go on? No. This is going no where. You don't understand my position and even assuming you did you wouldn't agree. Go grab a beer and relax Azure - and quit grasping at straws.

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[Malfunctioning Robot]

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Then there is no reason for the OP and wolfsun to be so upset. Glad we can agree.

Can you say that about game devs too?

Why would I be asserting anything about what devs do or do not want to see in reviews, that would both be off topic, and entirely irrelevant. Dev's don't get to dictate what is allowed in a review at ALL. Not even sure how you've jumped THAT far from anything i said.

If you can't actually address my points, why bother responding ot me at all, is ALL you are going to do is keep building scarecrows?

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Can you say that about game devs too?

Why would I be asserting anything about what devs do or do not want to see in reviews, that would both be off topic, and entirely irrelevant. Dev's don't get to dictate what is allowed in a review at ALL. Not even sure how you've jumped THAT far from anything i said.

If you can't actually address my points, why bother responding ot me at all, is ALL you are going to do is keep building scarecrows?

Building scarecrows?

You clearly don't understand the issue here, reviews build the reputation of a game and motion sickness is not a valid reason to leave a negative review.

Imagine someone exceptionally tall like Shaquille O'Neal, he's a famous basketball player, you must have heard of him, right?

So Mr. O'Neal goes to a dealership and buys a tiny sport car. Obviously, he'll find the car uncomfortable, it wasn't made for people like him. Then Mr. O'Neal leaves a negative review which will make other people think the car is bad.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Why would I be asserting anything about what devs do or do not want to see in reviews, that would both be off topic, and entirely irrelevant. Dev's don't get to dictate what is allowed in a review at ALL. Not even sure how you've jumped THAT far from anything i said.

If you can't actually address my points, why bother responding ot me at all, is ALL you are going to do is keep building scarecrows?

Building scarecrows?:lol:

You clearly don't understand the issue here, reviews build the reputation of a game and motion sickness is not a valid reason to leave a negative review.

Imagine someone exceptionally tall like Shaquille O'Neal, he's a famous basketball player, you must have heard of him, right?

So Mr. O'Neal goes to a dealership and buys a tiny sport car. Obviously, he'll find the car uncomfortable, it wasn't made for people like him. Then Mr. O'Neal leaves a negative review which will make other people think the car is bad.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

False equivalence. Mr Oneil had every opportunity to know the size of the vehicle before hand. People buying a game will have no idea if it will give them motion sickness until after purchase... UNLESS PEOPLE LEAVE REVIEWS WARNING THEM ABOUT IT. Can you GET anymore asinine?

Motion sickness IS perfectly valid, if it affects the experience negatively, then it is a perfectly VALID reason to not recommend the game.

Other than a few people who seem to be upset over it, there hasn't been a single OBJECTIVE reason given for it to be ANY less valid.

It's no different that the people crying over "30 fps is not a valid reason for a bad review" and "the main character is of the wrong gender"

No one needs YOUR validation for their experience, and the only people TRYING to police other peoples experience are the entitled individuals who can't accept other peoples negative reviews for their title of choice.

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Building scarecrows?

You clearly don't understand the issue here, reviews build the reputation of a game and motion sickness is not a valid reason to leave a negative review.

Imagine someone exceptionally tall like Shaquille O'Neal, he's a famous basketball player, you must have heard of him, right?

So Mr. O'Neal goes to a dealership and buys a tiny sport car. Obviously, he'll find the car uncomfortable, it wasn't made for people like him. Then Mr. O'Neal leaves a negative review which will make other people think the car is bad.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

False equivalence. Mr Oneil had every opportunity to know the size of the vehicle before hand. People buying a game will have no idea if it will give them motion sickness until after purchase... UNLESS PEOPLE LEAVE REVIEWS WARNING THEM ABOUT IT. Can you GET anymore asinine?

Motion sickness IS perfectly valid, if it affects the experience negatively, then it is a perfectly VALID reason to not recommend the game.

Other than a few people who seem to be upset over it, there hasn't been a single OBJECTIVE reason given for it to be ANY less valid.

It's no different that the people crying over "30 fps is not a valid reason for a bad review" and "the main character is of the wrong gender"

No one needs YOUR validation for their experience, and the only people TRYING to police other peoples experience are the entitled individuals who can't accept other peoples negative reviews for their title of choice.

Maybe you'll understand when you make a game and people leave negative reviews because of motion sickness. Is that your fault, or the game's fault?

And yeah, Mr. O'Neal was able to see the car and do a test drive, just like you can with the 2 hour refund period.

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Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

:lunar2019crylaughingpig: Maybe you'll understand when you make a game and people leave negative reviews because of motion sickness. Is that your fault, or the game's fault?

And yeah, Mr. O'Neal was able to see the car and do a test drive, just like you can with the 2 hour refund period.

Back to trying to argue the dev's don't like it? Jeez if you can't be bothered to stay on topic and keep throwing up strawmen there is no point in responding to you further.

But yes, if my game triggers people to have a negative experience, it IS the fault of me AND the game. I can certainly use that feedback to improve it.

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

Maybe you'll understand when you make a game and people leave negative reviews because of motion sickness. Is that your fault, or the game's fault?

And yeah, Mr. O'Neal was able to see the car and do a test drive, just like you can with the 2 hour refund period.

Back to trying to argue the dev's don't like it? Jeez if you can't be bothered to stay on topic and keep throwing up strawmen there is no point in responding to you further.

But yes, if my game triggers people to have a negative experience, it IS the fault of me AND the game. I can certainly use that feedback to improve it.

Sorry, but you're not sounding very rational here, which makes discussion pointless.

You may not admit that but you know that the problem is not in the game, but in the person playing the game.

Some people are allergic to certain foods, that's not the producers' fault. And leaving a negative review because you're allergic to something sounds just silly, not to mention stupidly entitled.

[Malfunctioning Robot]

o.O if you aren't told the thing you are allergic to is in the food, or you are suffering because of mishandling, you are DAMN right you leave a negative review, probably get a settlement too. But nice choice of yet another false equivalence.

But sure, blame the person instead of the software that can CLEARLY be improved by the feedback.

By the logic you are touting no one has any right to ANY negative review. Don't like the mechanics, refund, it's not the games fault if it doesn't suit you, so no review allowed. Don't like the art style, thats a you problem too, you had your chance to refund. The audio doesn't work, refund! Not a cause for a poor review since you could try it without keeping it!


Just own your ableism.

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot lähetti viestin:

o.O if you aren't told the thing you are allergic to is in the food, or you are suffering because of mishandling, you are DAMN right you leave a negative review, probably get a settlement too. But nice choice of yet another false equivalence.

But sure, blame the person instead of the software that can CLEARLY be improved by the feedback.

By the logic you are touting no one has any right to ANY negative review. Don't like the mechanics, refund, it's not the games fault if it doesn't suit you, so no review allowed. Don't like the art style, thats a you problem too, you had your chance to refund. The audio doesn't work, refund! Not a cause for a poor review since you could try it without keeping it!


Just own your ableism.

That's why refunds exist, trying the game is the equivalent of reading the label. Also, you gotta keep in mind that any game can cause motion sickness, in fact various games display a warning about it and said warning is also present in pretty much every videogame manual (that includes games and consoles). So how can you know which games cause you motion sickness and which don't? Playing, there's no other way.

And I'm not blaming anyone, if people are allergic to something or have motion sickness, that's not their fault either. It is what it is. It's like the color of your eyes, no one can choose it.

[Nx Machina]

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

So if a game gives you motion sickness that means the game is bad?

You see, just another reason to implement neutral reviews. Thank you.

Did i state the game was bad? No, after all i cannot judge the game because i have "motion sickness" and i am unable to actually play the game.

Neutral? Shrug, shrug, shrug.... as in "non-committal", as in "not recommended".

Recommend - to endorse as in "Would you recommend this game to other players".

[MonkehMaster]

Nx Machina lähetti viestin:

Pierce Dalton lähetti viestin:

So if a game gives you motion sickness that means the game is bad?

You see, just another reason to implement neutral reviews. Thank you.

Did i state the game was bad? Nope after all i cannot judge because i have "motion sickness" and am unable to actually play the game.

Neutral? Shrug, shrug, shrug....

well tbf, you dont "have" motion sickness, the game "gives" you motion sickness, thus its the devs fault.

[The Commendatore]

I do agree and I get motion sickness from it and too high frames.

If the game does motion itself differently that leads to it then I totally get why one would mention it though.