We need as consumers the ability to sell our games.

[wbino]

Any other product in the world that you buy can be resold.
The law that is protecting digital distribution from resale should be challenged.

[Doctor Zalgo]

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

You can't sell what you don't own. You don't own your games, you own a license to access them. You should know this by now, being on Steam so long.

Yeah. That needs to be challenged in court, I can sell dvd, blue ray, anything but software. Why?

Because you agree to it as part of the terms of sale.

[Amaterasu]

The entire point of digital distribution and why publishers are so keen on forcing a digital only landscape is that "All sales are final" and you cannot sell or trade in your games. Which means that if someone wants to play it, they have to buy from them.

This isn't illegal, by the way.

[WolfEisberg]

We as consumers don't need this at all because it will only lead to some stuff that is worse for us consumers, it already did because of the consoles, we don't need to exasperate it. I suggest reading this article about why we don't actually want this as consumers, the negative outcome that would come with it is not worth it at all.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-real-cost-of-used-games

[Ganger]

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Ganger の投稿を引用：

They now have the power to remove your games, items and skins for what ever reason they see fit and sadly this has happen across many platforms and consoles over the years.

They have the power, but very rarely do so and only for major reasons. In 20 years on steam i've had it happen once, and it was a mistake the developer immediately corrected when they accidently revoked keys they didn't mean to when they were dealing with stolen keys.

Steam is one of the better platform in my own opinion but with valve, if caught cheating in games such as CS2, TF2 etc, valve will remove your ability to trade your items which is basically removing your items if not removing your items, if you know what I mean.

I have heard stories of microsoft suspending people's account for things they say, what gamer picture they use and so on. Bethesda cancelled the account of some gamer's many years back for homophobic chat. Ubisoft can close inactive accounts (not sure if this has happen), so much has happened in the gaming industry. In fact, the terms and eula's we all agree too allows all these platforms including steam to remove games or close your account without notice.

Back in the day, I would spend a fortune on buying games on sale for no reason at all, now I understand more about the digital age, I only buy games im going to play. Knowing full well, one day I might lose access to say game.

[Rin]

A consumer coo-consumes. It does not deal with trading. It's the same with music; you don't own the record label, the artist, the song, the samples used (if any), the instruments used (if any), the voice(s) recorded (if any), the recording equipment used etc.

[76561197960287930]

We can't sell games. But there are literally entire Steam Accounts for DOTA 2 and CS2 being sold illegally and against the Steam Subscriber Agreement. I wonder how many Valve are actually stopping and terminating the accounts.I wonder if Valve even has an estimate on all the alt user accounts created just for scams, bots / inventory / trades sites / and account sales. There are thousands and thousands of same named user accounts in some Steam user groups Valve does nothing about, even if they spam 100's of new reviews for DOTA 2 with the The Best Game. Today is one of those days 70 in Most Recent.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4299322040761359161/

[Soren]

In theory it would be nice to sell the license to use our games to other gamers. But there are several problems with it. First is it doesn't seem marketly viable. Second, scamming would become even more incentivised. Thirdly, this isn't something you could just spring on developers post purchase (would be too unfair). So if they knew before hand they were selling resellable licenses, chances are steam sale culture would be almost non-existent and digital games here on Steam would be a lot more expensive as a byproduct.

[Elysium]

Absolutely. If I own something, I should have the right to resell that item. If I buy a couch, car, speaker system, cellphone, computer or a toaster, I’m not prohibited from selling it in the future. Why should digital purchases be any different?

[The nameless Gamer]

𝔼𝕝𝕪𝕤𝕚𝕦𝕞 の投稿を引用：

Absolutely. If I own something, I should have the right to resell that item. If I buy a couch, car, speaker system, cellphone, computer or a toaster, I’m not prohibited from selling it in the future. Why should digital purchases be any different?

Because if we started reselling games, we'd end up driving pretty much every existing indie developer out of business. And AAA companies would suddenly start pricing games 100+$ or simply stop selling licenses and switch to a subscription model. Making video games is EXPENSIVE. They are not made like kitchen appliances or furniture, on an assembly line. You need a creative vision, years of coding, artwork, music, voice acting... reselling something like a video game is utter disrespect towards the creator.

[Boblin the Goblin]

𝔼𝕝𝕪𝕤𝕚𝕦𝕞 の投稿を引用：

Absolutely. If I own something, I should have the right to resell that item. If I buy a couch, car, speaker system, cellphone, computer or a toaster, I’m not prohibited from selling it in the future. Why should digital purchases be any different?

Because you don't own it. You own a limited license.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

76561197960287930 の投稿を引用：

We can't sell games. But there are literally entire Steam Accounts for DOTA 2 and CS2 being sold illegally and against the Steam Subscriber Agreement. I wonder how many Valve are actually stopping and terminating the accounts.I wonder if Valve even has an estimate on all the alt user accounts created just for scams, bots / inventory / trades sites / and account sales. There are thousands and thousands of same named user accounts in some Steam user groups Valve does nothing about, even if they spam 100's of new reviews for DOTA 2 with the The Best Game. Today is one of those days 70 in Most Recent.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4299322040761359161/

Fun fact if support can vertify for sure they take action, issue those people own those account can either make up lies, but there also cases where scammers that has stolen accounts will sell them because the real owners either abandon, or away for whatever reason, which if real owner ever come back they make a big storm about their account being deleted, hence the problem why support can't just wave their wand as they please without legal problems.

Sometimes things are not always black & white. Most accounts that being sold AFAIK are actually boosted accounts for CSGO, and Dota 2 so they have nothing to lose even if they get caught by support, they just keep doing it, problem is support can't track every single account created, while dealing with everything else on Steam such as reports, and tickets that why people have to report it to give support notice.

[wbino]

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

𝔼𝕝𝕪𝕤𝕚𝕦𝕞 の投稿を引用：

Absolutely. If I own something, I should have the right to resell that item. If I buy a couch, car, speaker system, cellphone, computer or a toaster, I’m not prohibited from selling it in the future. Why should digital purchases be any different?

Because you don't own it. You own a limited license.

Then the term to "Buy" them should be changed.
It should be 49.99 licensed to play....

[Crazy Tiger]

wbino の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Because you don't own it. You own a limited license.

Then the term to "Buy" them should be changed.
It should be 49.99 licensed to play....

The term is correct, though. You are buying/purchasing a license.

[Soren]

wbino の投稿を引用：

SlowMango の投稿を引用：

Because you don't own it. You own a limited license.

Then the term to "Buy" them should be changed.
It should be 49.99 licensed to play....

Think about it for a second. You "buy a movie ticket" at the theatres. You know that's a one time watch there on the spot. "Buy" can and has always meant a wide range of purchases.

[Brian9824]

Ganger の投稿を引用：

Steam is one of the better platform in my own opinion but with valve, if caught cheating in games such as CS2, TF2 etc, valve will remove your ability to trade your items which is basically removing your items if not removing your items, if you know what I mean.

I fail to see the problem with cheaters having a financial penalty. You still have your items, you being unable to trade/sell the items you aquired in part via cheating is more then reasonable.

Ganger の投稿を引用：

I have heard stories of microsoft suspending people's account for things they say, what gamer picture they use and so on. Bethesda cancelled the account of some gamer's many years back for homophobic chat. Ubisoft can close inactive accounts (not sure if this has happen), so much has happened in the gaming industry. In fact, the terms and eula's we all agree too allows all these platforms including steam to remove games or close your account without notice.

A lot of the stuff your posting you really don't know what your talking about. Like the whole ubisoft account thing was just scaremongering from trolls. It came out later that Ubisoft only closed inactive accounts that owned no games, and if you had any games on your account then your account was never flagged as inactive.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has taken away games from users for their behaviour. Now they are often restricted, can lose their social features, etc. For instance on steam in its entire history there is only 1 user i'm aware of who had his account shut down where he lost access to his games and it took YEARS of bad behaviour to reach that point.