We need as consumers the ability to sell our games.

[wbino]

Any other product in the world that you buy can be resold.
The law that is protecting digital distribution from resale should be challenged.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by 76561197960287930:

We can't sell games. But there are literally entire Steam Accounts for DOTA 2 and CS2 being sold illegally and against the Steam Subscriber Agreement. I wonder how many Valve are actually stopping and terminating the accounts.

I've seen them act upon sold accounts in the past so yeah, they act upon it.

Yep, people have to also remember some of those accounts might be stolen, so they don't just blindly ban accounts.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

It's been mentioned many times in this thread and others. If you were allowed to sell or trade your games it would completely ruin the value of the games. I have Clive Barker's Jericho in my library. It's worth about $400 now for a key because the game has been delisted for years.

Imagine what would happen if I was allowed to sell or trade it.

you can with console games. just trade the cases with games inside?

For now, yes, because the console crowd was less susceptible. But this generation has a digital only variant in addition to the "regular" disc version. Take a guess what the future of console gaming will be...

[Ganger]

Originally posted by Soren:

In theory it would be nice to sell the license to use our games to other gamers. But there are several problems with it. First is it doesn't seem marketly viable. Second, scamming would become even more incentivised. Thirdly, this isn't something you could just spring on developers post purchase (would be too unfair). So if they knew before hand they were selling resellable licenses, chances are steam sale culture would be almost non-existent and digital games here on Steam would be a lot more expensive as a byproduct.

I would also argue that developers and publisher would simply change the wording. Instead of you buying your games, you would simply rent your games for a period of time, be it 1 week, 1 month, 1 year or forever. This would be the only option available along with subscription based gaming e.g gamepass.

Another solution would give developers maybe one, two, four years notice and after that time allow us to resell our games. This would give devs time to adjust and figure it out.

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

thats something different entirely. i meant trading the games you own already to get another game from someone

You own a limited license. If you want to sell a game you own, you publish it on Steam after making it.

so trading cant work? im not talking about selling anything

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

You own a limited license. If you want to sell a game you own, you publish it on Steam after making it.

so trading cant work? im not talking about selling anything

It can't because it'd hurt the developers' income. It would be the death sentence for pretty much every existing indie studio. How many times does that need repeating?

[76561198407601200]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

You own a limited license. If you want to sell a game you own, you publish it on Steam after making it.

so trading cant work? im not talking about selling anything

Which falls into the same boat as not being able to sell the games, again you do not own any of the games in any capacity, you simply have a license to use the game on your account.

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

so trading cant work? im not talking about selling anything

Which falls into the same boat as not being able to sell the games, again you do not own any of the games in any capacity, you simply have a license to use the game on your account.

a trade is a game for a game. no money or selling is involved at all. i dont know why people are going back to selling games when thats not what im asking about

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

so trading cant work? im not talking about selling anything

It can't because it'd hurt the developers' income. It would be the death sentence for pretty much every existing indie studio. How many times does that need repeating?

trades are a game for a game. so swapping games would kill indies how?

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by The Living Tribunal:

Which falls into the same boat as not being able to sell the games, again you do not own any of the games in any capacity, you simply have a license to use the game on your account.

a trade is a game for a game. no money or selling is involved at all. i dont know why people are going back to selling games when thats not what im asking about

Same principles as selling and same reason why it won't ever be a thing. Whether you are selling it or trading it the same reasons apply.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

It can't because it'd hurt the developers' income. It would be the death sentence for pretty much every existing indie studio. How many times does that need repeating?

trades are a game for a game. so swapping games would kill indies how?

Instead of people buying their game and giving them money they'd just trade for a used copy. They'd make a few sales initially then sales would just die up and people would keep swapping for the used copies instead of buying a copy giving them money.

Not to mention the fact that legally their is no right to re-sell or trade used PC games, and the courts have sided with the developers. SO no way steam can do it as it would be against the law.

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

a trade is a game for a game. no money or selling is involved at all. i dont know why people are going back to selling games when thats not what im asking about

Same principles as selling and same reason why it won't ever be a thing. Whether you are selling it or trading it the same reasons apply.

so youll need to be able to trade the license for another for it to work? not the games themselves?

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

trades are a game for a game. so swapping games would kill indies how?

Instead of people buying their game and giving them money they'd just trade for a used copy. They'd make a few sales initially then sales would just die up and people would keep swapping for the used copies instead of buying a copy giving them money.

i mean consoles have used games and dont ever seem to be lacking sales. i would buy some but i dont have disposable income a lot of the time so i have to either wait for a steep sale or just not buy it

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Instead of people buying their game and giving them money they'd just trade for a used copy. They'd make a few sales initially then sales would just die up and people would keep swapping for the used copies instead of buying a copy giving them money.

i mean consoles have used games and dont ever seem to be lacking sales. i would buy some but i dont have disposable income a lot of the time so i have to either wait for a steep sale or just not buy it

As already mentioned its a concept called Friction. Console games do not allow digital games to be resold or traded.

Physical games have restrictions in shipping costs, storage, etc. How often can you go into your local gamestop and browse every used copy of the games for the consoles in the world and instantly get it in identical condition to the game if you bought it new?

With digital copies someone in China could sell/trade their copy to someone in California instantly, and advertise it to every person in the world simultaneously. The friction that limits the impact of used game sales doesn't exist for digital.

There is no incentive to the developer to allow it, and Steam can't do it without the developers permission as its not their license.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

Originally posted by brian9824:

Same principles as selling and same reason why it won't ever be a thing. Whether you are selling it or trading it the same reasons apply.

so youll need to be able to trade the license for another for it to work? not the games themselves?

The license is tied to the account. You can trade physical because the license was tied to the disc.

In a virtual space, the license is tied to the account.

[Nerd Gamer Buddy]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Nerd Gamer Buddy:

so youll need to be able to trade the license for another for it to work? not the games themselves?

The license is tied to the account. You can trade physical because the license was tied to the disc.

In a virtual space, the license is tied to the account.

so youll need to trade accounts? is there a market for this? couldnt you trade gog games? like no drm ones?