Lawsuit against valve for monoplozing and manipulating market.

[GrimReality]

You guys should check out whats going on against valve, They are doing so many stupid things that steam users deserve compensation. From market manipulation to one of the laziest automated customer service support.

https://www.bucherlawfirm.com/steam-case-explained

[Chompman]

A lot of these types of sites are phishing sites and many have been around for years.

[peppermint hollows]

It's a scam.

[Ogami]

Yeah, thats a well known scam. Sad that so many people still fall for it.

[IFIYGD]

You should check out that you are exactly the type of mark the scammers who set up that WIX website are hoping will click the link and fill out all of the persona information they are asking for, that they need to create false identities using that information.
Obvious phishing scam is obvious.

[Jenshae]

[Komarimaru]

I really hope someone isn't foolish enough to fill out information on that site, known scam.

[eram]

Originally posted by GrimReality:

Lawsuit against valve for monoplozing and manipulating market

lol

i like there bit where they compare steam to epic but in their example the prices are exactly the same

[Trollhammer]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

I really hope someone isn't foolish enough to fill out information on that site, known scam.

Considering the number of people who fall for the most obvious, overused and stupid scams... Well, there's no hope.

[J4MESOX4D]

Funny how people see lawsuit and they instantly think they'll get free money.

[aiusepsi]

Because I'm a crazy person, I've actually read all the court filings in the "lawsuit by developers for their anticompetitive restraints on pricing", aka Wolfire Games LLC et al. vs. Valve.

The threshold in the case so far for the ruling that the "claims were credible" is really, really low. It's basically: if you assume everything that the plaintiff says is true, would that constitute an actionable claim? The really telling thing is that most of the claims the plaintiff made didn't even reach that bar, and they only reached that on like, the second or third attempt.

Determining if the claims are actually true with concrete evidence is going to take at least another year. Fact discovery doesn't close until November, and procedural stuff that has to happen for the trial to get underway isn't until August next year, assuming they're not delayed again.

In my opinion, Valve's probably going to win. Wolfire's case is really weak. But I am not a lawyer, and I could be wrong.

Moving on to Bucher: his plan is basically a shakedown of Valve. Collect up thousands of consumers, file thousands of arbitrations on their behalf, and assume that Valve will just pay up immediately to make it go away rather than pay filing fees to fight the arbitration. The whole plan is laid out in a lawsuit by Bucher against his former employers[www.courtlistener.com].

Part of the reason he parted ways with his former employer is that they started to get cold feet on the whole idea: if Valve didn't immediately pay up, the scheme would rapidly become untenable.

Deckoff said his funding was contingent on Zaiger LLC agreeing, in advance, to
drop the mass arbitrations and abandon the Steam Mass Arbitration clients if Valve does not
immediately settle the case upon notice that the Steam Mass Arbitration clients have paid their filing fees and if, instead, Valve pays its own filing fees in arbitration and prepares to defend the individual arbitrations on the merits. He expressed his belief that any litigation of the cases after Valve had paid its arbitration fees would be fruitless and that he was uninterested in paying for it. He further stated that “once the filing fees are paid by Valve, the cow is out of the barn. Just not our barn.”

[GrimReality]

Originally posted by Chompman:

A lot of these types of sites are phishing sites and many have been around for years.

This is a scam? are you serious? If this is some sort of scam then it wouldnt have let me post it, and it would have been removed by now no?

Originally posted by aiusepsi:

Because I'm a crazy person, I've actually read all the court filings in the "lawsuit by developers for their anticompetitive restraints on pricing", aka Wolfire Games LLC et al. vs. Valve.

The threshold in the case so far for the ruling that the "claims were credible" is really, really low. It's basically: if you assume everything that the plaintiff says is true, would that constitute an actionable claim? The really telling thing is that most of the claims the plaintiff made didn't even reach that bar, and they only reached that on like, the second or third attempt.

Determining if the claims are actually true with concrete evidence is going to take at least another year. Fact discovery doesn't close until November, and procedural stuff that has to happen for the trial to get underway isn't until August next year, assuming they're not delayed again.

In my opinion, Valve's probably going to win. Wolfire's case is really weak. But I am not a lawyer, and I could be wrong.

Moving on to Bucher: his plan is basically a shakedown of Valve. Collect up thousands of consumers, file thousands of arbitrations on their behalf, and assume that Valve will just pay up immediately to make it go away rather than pay filing fees to fight the arbitration. The whole plan is laid out in a lawsuit by Bucher against his former employers[www.courtlistener.com].

Part of the reason he parted ways with his former employer is that they started to get cold feet on the whole idea: if Valve didn't immediately pay up, the scheme would rapidly become untenable.

Deckoff said his funding was contingent on Zaiger LLC agreeing, in advance, to
drop the mass arbitrations and abandon the Steam Mass Arbitration clients if Valve does not
immediately settle the case upon notice that the Steam Mass Arbitration clients have paid their filing fees and if, instead, Valve pays its own filing fees in arbitration and prepares to defend the individual arbitrations on the merits. He expressed his belief that any litigation of the cases after Valve had paid its arbitration fees would be fruitless and that he was uninterested in paying for it. He further stated that “once the filing fees are paid by Valve, the cow is out of the barn. Just not our barn.”

Yeah I also read quite a bit about it, lets see where it goes. And what do you say to the others saying its a scam? are they such anti scammy that they have failed to detect whats a scam and whats not? They self-gaslight constantly.

[eram]

Originally posted by GrimReality:

Originally posted by Chompman:

A lot of these types of sites are phishing sites and many have been around for years.

This is a scam? are you serious? If this is some sort of scam then it wouldnt have let me post it, and it would have been removed by now no?

Originally posted by aiusepsi:

Because I'm a crazy person, I've actually read all the court filings in the "lawsuit by developers for their anticompetitive restraints on pricing", aka Wolfire Games LLC et al. vs. Valve.

The threshold in the case so far for the ruling that the "claims were credible" is really, really low. It's basically: if you assume everything that the plaintiff says is true, would that constitute an actionable claim? The really telling thing is that most of the claims the plaintiff made didn't even reach that bar, and they only reached that on like, the second or third attempt.

Determining if the claims are actually true with concrete evidence is going to take at least another year. Fact discovery doesn't close until November, and procedural stuff that has to happen for the trial to get underway isn't until August next year, assuming they're not delayed again.

In my opinion, Valve's probably going to win. Wolfire's case is really weak. But I am not a lawyer, and I could be wrong.

Moving on to Bucher: his plan is basically a shakedown of Valve. Collect up thousands of consumers, file thousands of arbitrations on their behalf, and assume that Valve will just pay up immediately to make it go away rather than pay filing fees to fight the arbitration. The whole plan is laid out in a lawsuit by Bucher against his former employers[www.courtlistener.com].

Part of the reason he parted ways with his former employer is that they started to get cold feet on the whole idea: if Valve didn't immediately pay up, the scheme would rapidly become untenable.

Yeah I also read quite a bit about it, lets see where it goes. And what do you say to the others saying its a scam? are they such anti scammy that they have failed to detect whats a scam and whats not? They self-gaslight constantly.

youre a scam

did you give that website your personal info or no?

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by GrimReality:

If this is some sort of scam then it wouldnt have let me post it, and it would have been removed by now no?

Unless a link is added to the linkfilter, it won't be blocked, no. The paid moderators also work much less in the weekend, so any rule breaking content won't be removed quickly.

[GrimReality]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Originally posted by GrimReality:

If this is some sort of scam then it wouldnt have let me post it, and it would have been removed by now no?

Unless a link is added to the linkfilter, it won't be blocked, no. The paid moderators also work much less in the weekend, so any rule breaking content won't be removed quickly.

I really dont think its a scam because I got this from an ad on Reddit lol. A quick google search will also show you the facts. Or ask an AI.

[aiusepsi]

Originally posted by GrimReality:

And what do you say to the others saying its a scam?

It's tricky. It's not a traditional sort of scam, and even in the case where Bucher doesn't win the arbitrations, I don't think (but I'm not an expert and so don't know for sure) that consumers will get hurt.

But, I do think this guy is a scumbag. In his own words, he says that his business model is to spam companies with arbitrations to make them pay up regardless of the merits of the case:

Bucher stated that although given the economics of mass arbitrations Valve would have a strong economic incentive to settle the Steam Mass Arbitration claims before it had to incur potentially hundreds of millions of dollars of arbitration filing fees

And cream off for himself a very handsome percentage of the settlements for himself and his financiers; he'll end up the main winner. Personally, I wouldn't touch this with a bargepole.