What do you think about new steam?

[no way]

I love new steam theme. I'm just curious about your thoughts.

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

for linux, there's nothing better than steam to play games. lutris works, but there's no guarantee like there is with steam.

hello

Sur thing as lutris need steam to launch steam games, you know drm and account things or may be i am wrong here ... No clue never used lutris but may be someone more familiar with it can explain it to us.

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

hello

Not mandatory for you as you were many saying the same thing just above without any explanations.

it's difficult as there's a lot of hate for most things on social media due to our inherent negativity bias

we discus steam ui or anything, you're bound to get more negative responses than positive ones

a designers job is to filter through the feedback, discard what's useless and absorb what's useful and add your own knowledge to become better - source[www.azquotes.com]



i believe everyone is a genius, granted some hide behind a shield and act like an idiot a unreasonable person that defends everything a non-human (a company) does, or maybe they want everything to burn for some reason, but everyone has something of value to share to a conversation even those they have no experience with as we are pattern finding beings and their found patterns can be applied in a way not thought about to those having the conversation. so i might get sucked into discussing different things away from the OP. i see it like meditation, you have to remind yourself when you notice you're losing focus so you can get back to it.

hello

True this is unfortunately how things are working on "social media" i guess, people are choosing a side and defend their point of view without beeing critical about it and their choice.
It's quite hard to stay objective and factual about choice because it's the result of many arbitrations in the resulting choice ...

[Blitz4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

for linux, there's nothing better than steam to play games. lutris works, but there's no guarantee like there is with steam.

hello

Sur thing as lutris need steam to launch steam games, you know drm and account things or may be i am wrong here ... No clue never used lutris but may be someone more familiar with it can explain it to us.

yea for steam games you need steam AND lutris.
basically lutris is a way for people to write scripts that auto-install windows games from any distributor and allow them to run on linux. so you could have a cd of some old windows game and run one script, one command typed on a command line, and the game is installaed and configured ready to play. the issue is lutris is scripts created by other people and often only the popular, newest, games have scripts created for them, plus something could change in the operating system, your hardware, or what's more likely the game installs a newer version and that renders the old install script obsolete. for these reasons, proton is often king to play windows games on linux as it functions just like it does on windows. if you want more info, check out this site and type in any game you can think of. if it says platinum, then those are the games that work identical to how they would on windows. for games that say gold, they generally require you to add one command line argument to get the game working and that's all.

https://www.protondb.com/

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

hello

Sur thing as lutris need steam to launch steam games, you know drm and account things or may be i am wrong here ... No clue never used lutris but may be someone more familiar with it can explain it to us.

yea for steam games you need steam AND lutris.
basically lutris is a way for people to write scripts that auto-install windows games from any distributor and allow them to run on linux. so you could have a cd of some old windows game and run one script, one command typed on a command line, and the game is installaed and configured ready to play. the issue is lutris is scripts created by other people and often only the popular, newest, games have scripts created for them, plus something could change in the operating system, your hardware, or what's more likely the game installs a newer version and that renders the old install script obsolete. for these reasons, proton is often king to play windows games on linux as it functions just like it does on windows. if you want more info, check out this site and type in any game you can think of. if it says platinum, then those are the games that work identical to how they would on windows. for games that say gold, they generally require you to add one command line argument to get the game working and that's all.

https://www.protondb.com/

hello

Thx for talking about lutris i always wonder why people were using it under linux, i was just aware about it name

[Blitz4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

it's difficult as there's a lot of hate for most things on social media due to our inherent negativity bias

we discus steam ui or anything, you're bound to get more negative responses than positive ones

a designers job is to filter through the feedback, discard what's useless and absorb what's useful and add your own knowledge to become better - source[www.azquotes.com]



i believe everyone is a genius, granted some hide behind a shield and act like an idiot a unreasonable person that defends everything a non-human (a company) does, or maybe they want everything to burn for some reason, but everyone has something of value to share to a conversation even those they have no experience with as we are pattern finding beings and their found patterns can be applied in a way not thought about to those having the conversation. so i might get sucked into discussing different things away from the OP. i see it like meditation, you have to remind yourself when you notice you're losing focus so you can get back to it.

hello

True this is unfortunately how things are working on "social media" i guess, people are choosing a side and defend their point of view without beeing critical about it and their choice.
It's quite hard to stay objective and factual ...

hi :)

i relate social media to media.

in the news there big headlines that suck you in. here in the steam forums, same thing happens. now that's by design as some forums are very popular and require you to be a bit "edgy" or negative to get your post read. that fact encourages more negativity to be pumped into all social media platforms and in turn make us ALL more negative than we were before social media existed. plus there's another little known fact of sites like youtube using their algorithm to give you more of the same to keep you watching more, so if you watch all of a video that's negative and only 5 seconds of a longer video that was positive, you're gonna get more of that negativity in your youtube recommendations.

it does backfire on them at times which I love, like when the big thing about drinking bleach to cure covid became popular due to their algorithm, their developers warned them of something like that happening, but youtube chose profits over doing the right thing

anyway about the negativity. i love this video to explain why we are the way we are and why media is the way it is. we just can't look away from a car accident. so we're gonna see lots of car accidents because now the media knows what sells and we are addicted to them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7s7o7KDrM

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

hello

True this is unfortunately how things are working on "social media" i guess, people are choosing a side and defend their point of view without beeing critical about it and their choice.
It's quite hard to stay objective and factual ...

hi :)

i relate social media to media.

in the news there big headlines that suck you in. here in the steam forums, same thing happens. now that's by design as some forums are very popular and require you to be a bit "edgy" or negative to get your post read. that fact encourages more negativity to be pumped into all social media platforms and in turn make us ALL more negative than we were before social media existed. plus there's another little known fact of sites like youtube using their algorithm to give you more of the same to keep you watching more, so if you watch all of a video that's negative and only 5 seconds of a longer video that was positive, you're gonna get more of that negativity in your youtube recommendations.

it does backfire on them at times which I love, like when the big thing about drinking bleach to cure covid became popular due to their algorithm, their developers warned them of something like that happening, but youtube chose profits over doing the right thing

anyway about the negativity. i love this video to explain why we are the way we are and why media is the way it is. we just can't look away from a car accident. so we're gonna see lots of car accidents because now the media knows what sells and we are addicted to them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7s7o7KDrM

hello

hehe , agree with you xd
This also explain more of less why we are missing of beeing more "neutral" by summurizing our choice by 2 actions : "yes" or "no" when, imo, "may be" could be the third choice in many cases.

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

to me if you hate steam like most on steam hate epic games. i feel sorry for you because they are almost a monopoly at this point.

I don't hate Epic. Couldn't even tell you offhand any games they make. Also, between CD's, Steam, and Gog I have over one thousand games. That is so many games that I will probably not live long enough to play them all. So, no single company has a monopoly in my life.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

... for linux, there's nothing better than steam to play games. lutris works, but there's no guarantee like there is with steam.

for controller games, there's nothing better than the steam client.

I've no idea how Linux works, and don't care to learn. I'm also a PC gamer, so controller games are a non-issue for me too. Haven't owned a "game system" since the original Nintendo I bought in the late 80's. As an old gamer used to how things used to be, I'm not into the whole "multi-player" thing either.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

and win7 isn't supported by steam, rightfully so. however if you are able to get a legit copy of the game and never ever hook up that windows 7 computer to the internet, i can see that being useful. granted it must have ancient gpu drivers and such, but it likely doesn't matter for older games.

Yeah, for older games, say 2001 to 2010, it doesn't matter one bit. Newer games, which require better hardware, can be downloaded onto my Win 10 desktop. But again, once they're downloaded, I don't need a client, a 3rd-party launcher, or even the internet, which is fantastic.

[Blitz4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

to me if you hate steam like most on steam hate epic games. i feel sorry for you because they are almost a monopoly at this point.

I don't hate Epic. Couldn't even tell you offhand any games they make. Also, between CD's, Steam, and Gog I have over one thousand games. That is so many games that I will probably not live long enough to play them all. So, no single company has a monopoly in my life.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

... for linux, there's nothing better than steam to play games. lutris works, but there's no guarantee like there is with steam.

for controller games, there's nothing better than the steam client.

I've no idea how Linux works, and don't care to learn. I'm also a PC gamer, so controller games are a non-issue for me too. Haven't owned a "game system" since the original Nintendo I bought in the late 80's. As an old gamer used to how things used to be, I'm not into the whole "multi-player" thing either.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

and win7 isn't supported by steam, rightfully so. however if you are able to get a legit copy of the game and never ever hook up that windows 7 computer to the internet, i can see that being useful. granted it must have ancient gpu drivers and such, but it likely doesn't matter for older games.

Yeah, for older games, say 2001 to 2010, it doesn't matter one bit. Newer games, which require better hardware, can be downloaded onto my Win 10 desktop. But again, once they're downloaded, I don't need a client, a 3rd-party launcher, or even the internet, which is fantastic.

don't say that lol. you'll live long enough to play them. say that you won't live long enough to beat them all. that's keeping hope alive ;)

for pc gaming as a whole. if you ask the average gamer. they'll say steam is #1. and if you look at what the average #2 distributor is, some won't even list one. meaning that whoever is #2, which includes physical distribution, will be a distant #2 compared to steam. to you maybe not, but the average gamer would feel differently.

did you play or hear about elden ring? that game performed horribly at launch on PC and even worse on the old generation consoles. it was so bad that people with systems that exceeded the recommended game requirements got bugs of disappearing enemies when they got too close to them. on linux not only did the game perform better, but the linux proton team fixed that bug day 1 after release. so if yo played the game on linux, you'd have a better experience, plus linux is free to install for anyone (free as in free beer AND free as in freedom). gabe has said many years ago that all valve developed games performed better on linux than windows. plus if microsoft every made a push to say only games bought on the microsoft store can be played on windows, then you still have a way to play all your steam games on linux. those are just a few of the advantages.

yea older most games i really feel gameplay wise are better than most newer games that we play. this owner of this yt channel i remember saying games from like 1998-2004 were the best games ever made, i forget the exact years he said. so maybe he has some cool older game. and that's to me the best way to find games you like. if you know you like an older game, play it. then look for more games from that company or around that time or on that platform or find people that enjoy your games as well and find out what they like. makes you more efficient at finding more of what you like with less time invested in doing so.

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

Also, between CD's, Steam, and Gog I have over one thousand games. That is so many games that I will probably not live long enough to play them all. So, no single company has a monopoly in my life.

don't say that lol. you'll live long enough to play them. say that you won't live long enough to beat them all. that's keeping hope alive ;)

Lol. It's simple math, brother. I'm an old retired dude. If I played a game solid for just one week then put it away (whether I beat it or not), I'd get 52 games played per year. If we say my collection is an even 1000 games, then it would take me 19.23 years to get through them all. And yet for some reason I still keep buying more. My wife jokes that I'll die at my keyboard, because if I'm awake, I'm almost always at my computer doing something.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

did you play or hear about elden ring?

I've heard of it, yes, and it actually looks very interesting to me. I will probably buy it sooner or later.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

yea older most games i really feel gameplay wise are better than most newer games that we play.

I totally agree. I've got probably 10 or 12 games from the 90's that I still play on rotation, so that's 25 years minimum. Ask any gamer around age 30 what 25-year-old games are they still playing, and you probably won't get many answers. The older the gamer, the more likely they ARE still playing blasts from their pasts.

[MonkehMaster]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

and win7 isn't supported by steam, rightfully so. however if you are able to get a legit copy of the game and never ever hook up that windows 7 computer to the internet, i can see that being useful. granted it must have ancient gpu drivers and such, but it likely doesn't matter for older games.

dont need support and win 7 can connect to the internet perfectly fine.

not sure what you are on about with the "ancient gpu drivers", first off "ancient" would need at least 1000-1500 years to be considered "ancient", secondly... depending on hardware (not OS), your hardware could/can still be being updated with new drivers, so we dont need to pretend here, that anything with win 7 on it, was made almost a decade ago, cause thats not how this works.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von entropyjones:

I think steam totally sucks and I wish I had never bought any games here ever. Now I'm locked into this awful place and its making me angrier every single day.

you may leave. you have no games.

actually the person does own games, so they dont have to go anywhere, even if they didnt.

[поел говна]

ddd

[поел говна]

fff

[Blitz4]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

don't say that lol. you'll live long enough to play them. say that you won't live long enough to beat them all. that's keeping hope alive ;)

Lol. It's simple math, brother. I'm an old retired dude. If I played a game solid for just one week then put it away (whether I beat it or not), I'd get 52 games played per year. If we say my collection is an even 1000 games, then it would take me 19.23 years to get through them all. And yet for some reason I still keep buying more. My wife jokes that I'll die at my keyboard, because if I'm awake, I'm almost always at my computer doing something.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

did you play or hear about elden ring?

I've heard of it, yes, and it actually looks very interesting to me. I will probably buy it sooner or later.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

yea older most games i really feel gameplay wise are better than most newer games that we play.

I totally agree. I've got probably 10 or 12 games from the 90's that I still play on rotation, so that's 25 years minimum. Ask any gamer around age 30 what 25-year-old games are they still playing, and you probably won't get many answers. The older the gamer, the more likely they ARE still playing blasts from their pasts.

lol. check howlongtobeat.com as well. thankfully older games aren't full of this bland open world content, but i still check that site to try and guess how i can fit it into my schedule.

and discord servers or subreddits of your favorite games. i found some friends there cause we liked the same games. i will admit it's harder to find friend if you only play single-player and especially older single-player games. most on discord have a mic and it's cool talking to someone and playing the same single-player game with them while watching them play on one monitor while i'm playing on the other. that's a reason twitch.com is so popular, but it's better to make your own community around the games you enjoy instead of following someone else.

here's a cool thought. over half of gamers today are over 18 years old. I believe the average or median age is 33-35.

so yes this thread is supposed to be about the steam UI, not about buying games on Steam

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

so yes this thread is supposed to be about the steam UI, not about buying games on Steam

Lol. This thread was derailed over one thousand posts ago. And the Steam UI hasn't worked correctly in the 3 years I've been on Steam.

[lx]

but for some reason only i got banned for "off-topic or redundant", as much as i have followed all of it. my comment was also deleted, so you cant see, if that is a fact.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kenpoleon Bonaparte:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blitz4:

so yes this thread is supposed to be about the steam UI, not about buying games on Steam

Lol. This thread was derailed over one thousand posts ago. And the Steam UI hasn't worked correctly in the 3 years I've been on Steam.

speaking of the new steam, see the messy comments people make with all those quotes, there is nothing new for a long long time.