What do you think about new steam?

[no way]

I love new steam theme. I'm just curious about your thoughts.

[lsdninja]

Shaggin'Wagon původně napsal:

I think I made a mistake assuming you were referring to the 3090 when you said there's no game ready driver for it. Were you meaning the 3090 Ti?

The mistake you made was not checking the release dates on the drivers you're linking. Now, I'm not quite sure why game ready driver support for the 3090 Ti continued slightly longer than then vanilla 3090, but it was all wound up by early 2022. Combine that with the lack of modern Vulkan and DX12 support and you're just throwing money away running one of these things under Windows 7

[Shaggin'Wagon]

lsdninja původně napsal:

The mistake you made was not checking the release dates on the drivers you're linking. Now, I'm not quite sure why game ready driver support for the 3090 Ti continued slightly longer than then vanilla 3090, but it was all wound up by early 2022. Combine that with the lack of modern Vulkan and DX12 support and you're just throwing money away running one of these things under Windows 7

You didn't answer my question and the date has nothing to do with it at all. It doesn't matter if the driver was released in 2019, 2020, or 2024. If it works it works. Anything that the card supports in Windows 7 will always work even if it's 10 years from now. The date of a driver doesn't mean squat. If a video card works with it's current driver it will support everything that the hardware supports forever. And there's no game ready driver for the RTX 3090 Ti in Windows 7 at all. It never existed.

[crystalline]

honestly didn't even noticed they changed it until I saw this topic.
It's kind of annoying that it doesn't start on the library but otherwise im not bothered.

[76561198285398721]

crystalline původně napsal:

honestly didn't even noticed they changed it until I saw this topic.
It's kind of annoying that it doesn't start on the library but otherwise im not bothered.

u can change that in the interface section in settings

[Jenshae]

Nine months now.
Still an awful experience.

[cryofreeze666]

in response to some of the replies to my comment on page 110.

amazing how some of you fixated on the gpu's i tested with, and not the reason for the test. ok we know that the OS between 8 and 10 was crap, otherwise 7 would have been obsolete sooner. also we know that most companies made their drivers for 7/8 because of how close they are.

by the way ladies and gentleman win 7/8 were always in the same driver pack. support for win 8.1 didn't stop til jan 23. nvidias production of the 3090 began sept20 so guess what any drivers that work with win 8, work with 7, and oops you can install ti on 7. least i did. amazing what you can do if you bother to remember driver package normal compilations, while win 7/8 were overlapping drivers and were stored in the same folder. (silly voice for the doubters) AMAAAAAAAAAAAZING. not saying it will work for everyone, don't know what driver changes you might have made or what hardware you run, im just saying that the motherboard, processor, and the drivers i have accepted the win 8.1 drivers.

now THE REASON FOR THE ORIGINAL POST, over half the games steam holds hostage were created prior to win 7's programmed obsolescence. so the directx and other improvements aren't necessary unless you game professionally, how big is that community really. hell half the games i have on disk still require me to run as admin with xp pro service pack 3 settings (all of those titles are also offered by steam now, except the need for speed titles). have a couple that i can still play with no adjustment on 10 (i tried before i kicked it to the curb and installed 7). newer isn't always better, and most of you haven't realized you can say no.

not like hardware companies will say, "oh hey i'm not in the business to make money, why should i provide drivers that will work if someone wants to buy my product?" but you guys say oh, my computer is slow, i need a new one (with the newest OS avilable), when a simple wiping of the hard drive and re-installation will have you back up to speed, or even faster when you don't re-install half the crap that came with your store bought computer with the newer operaitng system.

REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T DEFRAGMENT THE OS WHILE YOUR COMPUTER IS ON. defragmenting daily is only necessary if you install and remove programs ALOT. the programs installed on your hard drive don't change, unless you change them. windows daily updates frag an operating system in 3 to 6 months and slows down your computer, unless you download the obsolescence updates then it slows down sooner.

imagine that, microsoft doesn't provide any way to defragment the operating system making it manditory to re-install the OS to defragment it. but noooooooo, it's better to spend 1k on a store bought "gaming computer" with an upgraded OS. 1.5 to 3 hours, depending on how good that store bought "gaming computer" actually is and what add ons you purchased later. let's see. 1k divided by 3 equals 333.33 dollars an hour. downloading the updates you've researched, what they do, to disk speeds up the process even more. you can be re-installed in 1.5 hours, easily. no memorization required. if you can't burn to disk anymore, make a list of the updates and keep it safe and update as needed.

do the americans reading this really want to continue working after they reach 62, because they haven't invested the money they can save by being better informed? not being exclusive on purpose, i don't know if there are retirement programs in other cultures.

oh one last thing, the 3090 i tested with i took out of one of my back up's for my crypto miners. also, though it makes no difference, for the guy who shows so much concern over the money i've spent building my computers, i buy in gross, factory direct, which means i probably get better prices than you will. but thanks for your concern anyway.

[Zefar]

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

in response to some of the replies to my comment on page 110.

amazing how some of you fixated on the gpu's i tested with, and not the reason for the test. ok we know that the OS between 8 and 10 was crap, otherwise 7 would have been obsolete sooner. also we know that most companies made their drivers for 7/8 because of how close they are.

Win10 is the most popular OS to date. Currently on Steam about 0.59% are using Win7 64Bit.
Win7 is left behind by the utter majority when it comes to gaming. The few of you left are the only one claiming it's the best OS to date.

Win8.1 was the GOOD Win8 version. Also Win8.1 was the only one between Win8 and Win10.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

now THE REASON FOR THE ORIGINAL POST, over half the games steam holds hostage were created prior to win 7's programmed obsolescence. so the directx and other improvements aren't necessary unless you game professionally, how big is that community really. hell half the games i have on disk still require me to run as admin with xp pro service pack 3 settings (all of those titles are also offered by steam now, except the need for speed titles). have a couple that i can still play with no adjustment on 10 (i tried before i kicked it to the curb and installed 7). newer isn't always better, and most of you haven't realized you can say no.

Plenty of games made before Win7 can be played on Win10. Win10 has pretty good backwards compatibility after all. Every time people claim that games won't run on Win10 we ask for proof and very rarely are they able to provide a single example.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

not like hardware companies will say, "oh hey i'm not in the business to make money, why should i provide drivers that will work if someone wants to buy my product?" but you guys say oh, my computer is slow, i need a new one (with the newest OS avilable), when a simple wiping of the hard drive and re-installation will have you back up to speed, or even faster when you don't re-install half the crap that came with your store bought computer with the newer operaitng system.

Your PC will only be slowed down if you use a normal Harddrive and then it doesn't matter how little stuff a store bought PC put on it. It'll get slower the longer you use it. Because you'll be installing games over the years.
A SSD or NVME 2.0 is a must for the OS drive and you don't need a large one. Just a 256 GB at most.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T DEFRAGMENT THE OS WHILE YOUR COMPUTER IS ON. defragmenting daily is only necessary if you install and remove programs ALOT. the programs installed on your hard drive don't change, unless you change them. windows daily updates frag an operating system in 3 to 6 months and slows down your computer, unless you download the obsolescence updates then it slows down sooner.

Defragmenting a drive is such an age old thing to do. I remember doing it back in the olden days but now? You don't need to do it anymore.
No update has slowed down my PC when I have it on a SSD.
But if you use a normal harddrive it will just get slower with time. Doesn't matter what you install. Also it's not the starting programs that comes with windows that will slow it down. As you'll have them when you do a format.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

imagine that, microsoft doesn't provide any way to defragment the operating system making it manditory to re-install the OS to defragment it. but noooooooo, it's better to spend 1k on a store bought "gaming computer" with an upgraded OS. 1.5 to 3 hours, depending on how good that store bought "gaming computer" actually is and what add ons you purchased later. let's see. 1k divided by 3 equals 333.33 dollars an hour. downloading the updates you've researched, what they do, to disk speeds up the process even more. you can be re-installed in 1.5 hours, easily. no memorization required. if you can't burn to disk anymore, make a list of the updates and keep it safe and update as needed.

I went from Win8.1 to Win10 and then to Win11 over the course of maybe 10 years in total on the same SSD and only using Upgrade when I wanted to move to the newer OS.
Windows ran just fine all this time.
No slow downs because when my SSD actually died on me I went and bought a new one. Installed Win11 on it and it was the same speed as always.
Defrag isn't needed anymore.

People might not bother with CDs anymore because the read and write speed is at 4 MB/s or so. SSD can add two zeros at the end and still be faster. NVME add additional zeros at the end.

[lx]

wrong chat!?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

in response to some of the replies to my comment on page 110.

amazing how some of you fixated on the gpu's i tested with, and not the reason for the test. ok we know that the OS between 8 and 10 was crap, otherwise 7 would have been obsolete sooner. also we know that most companies made their drivers for 7/8 because of how close they are.

by the way ladies and gentleman win 7/8 were always in the same driver pack. support for win 8.1 didn't stop til jan 23. nvidias production of the 3090 began sept20 so guess what any drivers that work with win 8, work with 7, and oops you can install ti on 7. least i did. amazing what you can do if you bother to remember driver package normal compilations, while win 7/8 were overlapping drivers and were stored in the same folder. (silly voice for the doubters) AMAAAAAAAAAAAZING. not saying it will work for everyone, don't know what driver changes you might have made or what hardware you run, im just saying that the motherboard, processor, and the drivers i have accepted the win 8.1 drivers.

now THE REASON FOR THE ORIGINAL POST, over half the games steam holds hostage were created prior to win 7's programmed obsolescence. so the directx and other improvements aren't necessary unless you game professionally, how big is that community really. hell half the games i have on disk still require me to run as admin with xp pro service pack 3 settings (all of those titles are also offered by steam now, except the need for speed titles). have a couple that i can still play with no adjustment on 10 (i tried before i kicked it to the curb and installed 7). newer isn't always better, and most of you haven't realized you can say no.

not like hardware companies will say, "oh hey i'm not in the business to make money, why should i provide drivers that will work if someone wants to buy my product?" but you guys say oh, my computer is slow, i need a new one (with the newest OS avilable), when a simple wiping of the hard drive and re-installation will have you back up to speed, or even faster when you don't re-install half the crap that came with your store bought computer with the newer operaitng system.

REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T DEFRAGMENT THE OS WHILE YOUR COMPUTER IS ON. defragmenting daily is only necessary if you install and remove programs ALOT. the programs installed on your hard drive don't change, unless you change them. windows daily updates frag an operating system in 3 to 6 months and slows down your computer, unless you download the obsolescence updates then it slows down sooner.

imagine that, microsoft doesn't provide any way to defragment the operating system making it manditory to re-install the OS to defragment it. but noooooooo, it's better to spend 1k on a store bought "gaming computer" with an upgraded OS. 1.5 to 3 hours, depending on how good that store bought "gaming computer" actually is and what add ons you purchased later. let's see. 1k divided by 3 equals 333.33 dollars an hour. downloading the updates you've researched, what they do, to disk speeds up the process even more. you can be re-installed in 1.5 hours, easily. no memorization required. if you can't burn to disk anymore, make a list of the updates and keep it safe and update as needed.

do the americans reading this really want to continue working after they reach 62, because they haven't invested the money they can save by being better informed? not being exclusive on purpose, i don't know if there are retirement programs in other cultures.

oh one last thing, the 3090 i tested with i took out of one of my back up's for my crypto miners. also, though it makes no difference, for the guy who shows so much concern over the money i've spent building my computers, i buy in gross, factory direct, which means i probably get better prices than you will. but thanks for your concern anyway.

In short wall text saying I play on winows 7 only it the greatest blah blah everything else sucks that basically it, before say no there more, no it's basically sum it up as a whole as that all it is going on about.

Key points, depending on driver may, or may not be same as try to make it out to be cross versions of OS's, not only that but when you're on the LAST dropped supported for drivers, that means there no more updates for said drivers for said unsupported OS, that mean, not more fixes, no more improvements, and no more security patches. Example if a game has an issue that requires newer driver for correction, guess what you can't have those fixes due to unsupported OS that the driver if it does not work for it.

Anyways people free to whatever they just have to figure it out that the bottomline either dualboot, upgrade, move to linux, go to console, just stick to something else, or find a new hobby.

[cryofreeze666]

ZEFAR swell, you and i have computers that are up to date, memory. processor, motherboard, ect., what about the people that know nothing about computers? what about the people who are running 5 to 10 year old computers, who have a fixed income and things higher on the priority list than updating computer parts? hell, what about the people who don't know a thing about linux, or appleOS? those people need to know the things i learned from futzing with computers since about 87, when hard drives were measured in KB.yep solid state beats the old magnetic drives hands down for the amount of problems eliminated. but i like my stuff to run as efficiently as posible. plus with my knowledge i don't have to put up with microsoft's extortion, and remarketing of the same program. with updates programming hardware and software to be unaccepted by the other older OS's made by microsoft.

DR SHADOWDS you think this is me sayinging win7 is better than 10 and i'll never change, it's the same as 7 with a few updates. i'm also pointing out that there are others who can't afford to or won't take out a student loan so they can. my complete ♥♥♥♥♥ with microsoft, they convince you that when they put a little sugar on a ♥♥♥♥ sandwich and its a gourmet meal. tell me Dx12 isn't an updated program, why do i need direct access to the microsoft store, did i forget the web address? elevated compatibility seems to be another update to me, and handy for older programs, though security wise, why would allowing access to all of your digital gear via your computer be a good idea. an old key logger, in any of those, will them access to everything, if there are any around that still work.. windows update, omg that is an update, they changed the access to the site so they can say oh look new program. should i be impressed with a notification center that only tells me if (not 100% sure of this) i got mail on my microsoft e-mail? useless update. cortana, who cares what it does why do i need to talk to my computer to get it to send an e-mail? oh it saves time? time spends the same no matter how you spend it. cortana is something that should have been marketed separately to those who wanted it not forced on those of us who don't. oh yippee i can play xbox games, wait isn't that why i bought an xbox? and the final ♥♥♥♥♥, part of the marketing strategy you can always roll back to 7/8 if you don't like 10. those were the 7 marketing points when i googled the differences between windows 7 and 10. but evidently you can't roll back any more because you are being forced to by bells whistles and buzzers you went back to 7 to avoid.

there you go for PROOF that 7 and 10 are the same program. just updates from original program they refuse to place in original. mostly useless ones at that. BUT HEY, little sugar and even ♥♥♥♥ sandwiches taste good right? and you guys say "eeew, oooooh, neeewwerrr, beeeetterrr." do you have to believe everything advertising companies tell you? tell me one thing added to 10/11 that can be classified as a completely new concept, that didn't have anything like it before. don't hit me with things like Dx12 that not new Directx hasn't been new for 20 years. cortana is a novelty program, at best a niche market. and 7 has a version of the notification center, so not as impressive as they make it out to be.

personally when i switched back from 10 to 7/8, it was because of the bloatware microsoft installs, over half of it doesn't uninstall the way the directions microsoft provides for uninstalling those programs say. 7 still uses less resources than 10 (still way more than xp pro), and i would stand my processing speed up against any system with 10. i'm not saying throwing any plausible numbers in a chat, i'm saying side by side. this isn't a store bought, pre assembled computer.

[cryofreeze666]

oh, dr shadowds, isn't microsoft saying that 7 is ♥♥♥♥, since it isn't supported any longer? i'm saying that since 10 and 7 are still the same program, its all ♥♥♥♥. as for your comments about the post, its closed minded. i never said it's the best, if you check my other posts you'll find i like linux, and that i haven't tried linux on steam because i haven't found enough good to warrant figuring out if i would like it or not. i use 7 for some games that i like but they didn't find a big enough following for wine or other programs to play on linux. so please, try again troll.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

ZEFAR swell, you and i have computers that are up to date, memory. processor, motherboard, ect., what about the people that know nothing about computers? what about the people who are running 5 to 10 year old computers, who have a fixed income and things higher on the priority list than updating computer parts? hell, what about the people who don't know a thing about linux, or appleOS? those people need to know the things i learned from futzing with computers since about 87, when hard drives were measured in KB.yep solid state beats the old magnetic drives hands down for the amount of problems eliminated. but i like my stuff to run as efficiently as posible. plus with my knowledge i don't have to put up with microsoft's extortion, and remarketing of the same program. with updates programming hardware and software to be unaccepted by the other older OS's made by microsoft.

DR SHADOWDS you think this is me sayinging win7 is better than 10 and i'll never change, it's the same as 7 with a few updates. i'm also pointing out that there are others who can't afford to or won't take out a student loan so they can. my complete ♥♥♥♥♥ with microsoft, they convince you that when they put a little sugar on a ♥♥♥♥ sandwich and its a gourmet meal. tell me Dx12 isn't an updated program, why do i need direct access to the microsoft store, did i forget the web address? elevated compatibility seems to be another update to me, and handy for older programs, though security wise, why would allowing access to all of your digital gear via your computer be a good idea. an old key logger in any of those will them access to everything, if there are any around that still work.. windows update, omg that is an update, they changed the access to the site so they can say oh look new program. should i be impressed with a notification center that only tells me if (not 100% sure of this) i got mail on my microsoft e-mail? useless update. cortana, who cares what it does why do i need to talk to my computer to get it to send an e-mail? oh it saves time? time spends the same no matter how you spend it. cortana is something that should have been marketed separately to those who wanted it not forced on those of us who don't. oh yippee i can play xbox games, wait isn't that why i bought an xbox? and the final ♥♥♥♥♥, part of the marketing strategy you can always roll back to 7/8 if you don't like 10. those were the 7 marketing points when i googled the differences between windows 7 and 10. but evidently you can't roll back any more because you are being forced to by bells whistles and buzzers you went back to 7 to avoid.

there you go for PROOF that 7 and 10 are the same program. just updates from original program they refuse to place in original. mostly useless ones at that. BUT HEY, little sugar and even ♥♥♥♥ sandwiches taste good right? and you guys say "eeew, oooooh, neeewwerrr, beeeetterrr." do you have to believe everything advertising companies tell you? tell me one thing added to 10/11 that can be classified as a completely new concept, that didn't have anything like it before. don't hit me with things like Dx12 that not new Directx hasn't been new for 20 years. cortana is a novelty program, at best a niche market. and 7 has a version of the notification center, so not as impressive as they make it out to be.

personally when i switched back from 10 to 7/8, it was because of the bloatware microsoft installs, over half of it doesn't uninstall the way the directions microsoft provides for uninstalling those programs say. 7 still uses less resources than 10 (still way more than xp pro), and i would stand my processing speed up against any system with 10. i'm not saying throwing any plausible numbers in a chat, i'm saying side by side. this isn't a store bought, pre assembled computer.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

oh, dr shadowds, isn't microsoft saying that 7 is ♥♥♥♥, since it isn't supported any longer? i'm saying that since 10 and 7 are still the same program, its all ♥♥♥♥. as for your comments about the post, its closed minded. i never said it's the best, if you check my other posts you'll find i like linux, and that i haven't tried linux on steam because i haven't found enough good to warrant figuring out if i would like it or not. i use 7 for some games that i like but they didn't find a big enough following for wine or other programs to play on linux. so please, try again troll.

Microsoft never said, or suggest it was ♥♥♥♥, they just don't support it anymore, as they create new stuff, old stuff get left behind, as not everything lasts forever.

Also rolling back OS doesn't mean it's same exact OS's, there are differences, as well compatibilities, just like how things made for newer OS doesn't mean it works exactly the same, or work at all for older OS, like I said when support get dropped, that means there nothing new to be added, or fixed, also Windows Vista is windows 7, much like how windows 10 is windows 11, not exactly, but they are base on each other hence the difference, and why future things don't exactly work backwards how you assume.

Also if you mainly use Linux, and I don't see problem why wouldn't use Steam on Linux, either way my point still stands people can either dualboot, upgrade, or switch, and so on.

[Zefar]

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

ZEFAR swell, you and i have computers that are up to date, memory. processor, motherboard, ect., what about the people that know nothing about computers? what about the people who are running 5 to 10 year old computers, who have a fixed income and things higher on the priority list than updating computer parts? hell, what about the people who don't know a thing about linux, or appleOS? those people need to know the things i learned from futzing with computers since about 87, when hard drives were measured in KB.yep solid state beats the old magnetic drives hands down for the amount of problems eliminated. but i like my stuff to run as efficiently as posible. plus with my knowledge i don't have to put up with microsoft's extortion, and remarketing of the same program. with updates programming hardware and software to be unaccepted by the other older OS's made by microsoft.

People who know nothing of computers will either ask someone close to them or ask in the store. They'll get a prebuilt which will most likely have a SSD for the OS drive.

So they won't experience slow downs on their OS.
Linux won't be something they do not know of or if they have heard about it, they'll be scared from using it.
AppleOS wouldn't be suited for gaming but I'm sure most people who don't know much about computers still have a Mac or iPhone.

I live on a fixed income. I just don't spend it all and I got quite a bit saved up. Which means I can continue with my hobby.

If you're using old harddrives it doesn't matter what Windows tries to do with updates or try to make them as slim or optimized as possible. The harddrive will still get slower with time. It's just a fact.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

there you go for PROOF that 7 and 10 are the same program. just updates from original program they refuse to place in original. mostly useless ones at that. BUT HEY, little sugar and even ♥♥♥♥ sandwiches taste good right? and you guys say "eeew, oooooh, neeewwerrr, beeeetterrr." do you have to believe everything advertising companies tell you? tell me one thing added to 10/11 that can be classified as a completely new concept, that didn't have anything like it before. don't hit me with things like Dx12 that not new Directx hasn't been new for 20 years. cortana is a novelty program, at best a niche market. and 7 has a version of the notification center, so not as impressive as they make it out to be.

Windows 7 is Vista Service Pack 3. Windows 8 is different from 7 because 7 is basically running Vista code.
But from 8 to 10 there might share more code with each other but Win8 has been known be worse at games than 7 or 10. 10 to 11 isn't that big of a chance though.

Both Win10 and Win11 has had far less blue screens for me than I've had on 7. FAR less. No this wasn't me using bad hardware either.

Win7 can't natively run DX12. There are 2 games I think that might run some parts of DX12.
Win7 also can't handle the Steam Security update which made Valve drop support for Win7.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

personally when i switched back from 10 to 7/8, it was because of the bloatware microsoft installs, over half of it doesn't uninstall the way the directions microsoft provides for uninstalling those programs say. 7 still uses less resources than 10 (still way more than xp pro), and i would stand my processing speed up against any system with 10. i'm not saying throwing any plausible numbers in a chat, i'm saying side by side. this isn't a store bought, pre assembled computer.

When I buy an OS for $50-$100 or so I sorta expect it to have a lot of tools. If It was just barren wasteland with nothing to offer I'd feel pretty scammed.
Also none of these programs will affect performance.

RAM is meant to be used. Even when I had 16 GB RAM Windows never used it all when I was playing games. I have now 32 GB RAM and I haven't capped it.

[cryofreeze666]

ZEFAR 1st actually i have drivers for nvidia downladed for my 1050 ti, vista drivers are in a different folder from win 7/8, so probably not as similar as you say. the 3090's drivers are in a linux machine, and i deleted the folder from this machine without paying attention, i just needed to be sure it worked. so i could argue the point of microsoft product versions being nothing more than updates they refuse to put in the previous version. i've researched driver dates, hell 10 still has drivers dated around 2008. research it yourself. the proof that i can use drivers from a newer version of windows should be proof enough though.

next, i assume your buying oem OS's for 50 to 100 bucks, microsoft was really pissed when the courts ruled against their arguement that oem's windows versions weren't a propper windows program and shouldn't be sold in the u.s.. supreme court basically said if they weren't a propper version they couldn't be loaded into pre-built comps. so there is the reason you wont have to spend more than 50 to 100 bucks, you don't have too. i remember having to spend 200+ dollars for windows before that ruling. i mean you can say i'm wrong all day long, but that affordability is because of that ruling.

don't know if your married or not,don't know if you have kids. what i do know is family makes the "quite a bit saved" difficult to define. don't know the level of your fixed income, or if that fixed income is below the poverty level where you live. it is too easy to guess wrongly about someone, especially about money. money is one of the 2 major things people don't even think about when they lie about it. i lie about how much money i have every day to my children, my ex-wife, people who want to borrow money, and co-workers. i am a broke ♥♥♥♥ dog, cause if i said other wise i would be.

100% magnetic drives don't come in computers anymore, but the hybid drives still do in the cheapest of the store builds (hybrids for those who dont know are combination SSD and magnetic type). the OS is usually the most expensive part of those computers. the OS of course will be a microsoft product. cause i don't know anyplace that will supply anything other than microsoft, unless the device is made by apple.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

REMEMBER, YOU CAN'T DEFRAGMENT THE OS WHILE YOUR COMPUTER IS ON.

This is completely wrong and false information. Windows 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, and 11 all have built in defragmenting programs that will run successfully inside our computers while the OS is running. They are built in to windows.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

imagine that, microsoft doesn't provide any way to defragment the operating system making it manditory to re-install the OS to defragment it.

Microsoft DOES provide a way to defragment out computers, built in to windows, for every version of windows since Windows 98 to Windows 11. It's a part of the OS.

Besides that if we do have SSD's we don't defragment SSD's. By their very nature of how SSD's function defragmention isn't necessary. It can actually shorten the life of an SSD too with excessive writes for no reason.

cryofreeze666 původně napsal:

cause i don't know anyplace that will supply anything other than microsoft, unless the device is made by apple.

More false information again. Dell sells computers with Linux on them (NOT windows). See here: https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000138246/linux-on-dell-desktops-and-laptops

Lenovo also sells machines with Linux on them: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/linux-laptops-desktops/

Another OEM called System76 only sells Linux laptops and desktops running POP!_OS instead of windows (They don't even offer Windows machines at all). See here: https://system76.com/