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This is the reason why we have public forum, developer controlled hubs, and user owned content.
Valve controls public forums, developers moderate their own hubs, and users moderate their content.
If you engage in a conversation in the space that does not belong to you, you are not entitled to any rights.
I guess this is where we agree to disagree then. If you don't want a discussion, you don't turn on comments in the first place. If you tire of the discussion, you can turn the comments off. If I tire of this discussion, I can delete the OP and nobody in the future will know of its existence. You effectively turn your review into a form of forum post if you turn comments on, I don't know how else to see it. I keep bringing up the ridiculousness of me being able to block and thus, silence anyone, if we were instead having this discussion on a review, but nobody seems to be acknowledging that.
They can leave it open or closed, or change their mind. Or block someone from being able to comment; thus others can still comment on it giving a by-default trust of other individuals going in with good faith. Others, might just want "yes men".
Some advice;
If someone blocks you, let it go. It's healthy to just walk away, not make a thread about it, not make it a community topic, not focus on it for so long. Move on, it's much healthier than to obsess about it.
What they did simply means everyone else can have a chance especially if it doesn't bother the individual that made it. They don't have to do anything if someone has an issue with the action they made.
You can't delete this thread though, you can however - unsubscribe if you get tired of it.
It's just a review, not a discussion forum. Let it go.
without being too blunt
who cares?
Correct, except, Valve owns everything you decide to contribute. I just think it's a bit silly for Valve to say that users can turn their reviews into what is EFFECTIVELY a forum discussion (by enabling comments), but because its YOUR review (and not YOUR forum post) you can just do whatever. Let's imagine for a second that, for every review left on the store page a "discussion" thread of that review was created in the forums. I mean, there's nothing against the rules that says I can't just copy and paste their review, then discuss it on the forums, but that would just be petty and silly, in part because the person who made that review will probably never see that post. Hence, this is WHAT I PRESUMED THE REVIEWER IS TURNING ON COMMENTS FOR.
See what I wrote above. I guess I'll just copy and paste their review and discuss it in the forums instead with randos and not the person that made the review.
Time to start quoting you piece by piece and taking things out of context now. For your quote here, why is this not applicable to any post I make in here? Why am I not allowed to change my mind anymore? You're right, I can't delete the OP anymore because it's reached a certain amount of replies. To make things perfectly clear, I think its totally reasonable that Steam does this in the forums, i'm just wondering why it's ok to silence specific individuals in review comments? What makes a public review with enabled comments so different?
But what if I live for discussions like these? I'm having a pretty good time, all things considered. Can't I just turn around and say don't worry about what little ol me has to say and unsubscribe to this thread if it bothers you? I enjoy conversing with you guys, no need to worry about me!
A wonderful argument you can make for the forums as well, so you don't have the same two people arguing back and forth ad nauseam, wouldn't you agree?
You're right, I forgot you can only do that only if there are under 5 posts or whatever it was.
I mean, I've already let the review go, it's not my game. I'm just saying Steam's policies are a bit silly in this matter, me thinks. I appreciate the advice but I'll be fine, promise!
I do. Sorry?
I've already addressed the ridiculousness of this earlier in this comment. What do you want me to do. If they allow comments, be all "Meet me at the forums, bub. We'll duke it out there." Lol.
I truly don't understand why is so hard to move on
The forum allows a potential easily answered question to be removed with the low reply count, anything else is a public discussion and doesn't belong to the OP. Reviews however, are solely in control of the review creator unless it violates rules, in which valve can remove it.
Reviews may face the public, but it's to give a review about a product specifically.
The forum is exactly that; a forum.
Differences between the two are clear, much like how Profiles also have options in regard to what another user cannot see or otherwise cannot use on an individuals profile especially if not friends.
You're not being silenced. You're free to discuss the game in the games hub where discussions about a game belong.
People generally don't subscribe to threads, when you make one you're signed up for replies. So, that's not really an issue as people come & go in the areas they frequent or know what threads they are involved with, without the need for a subscription to them.
Typically threads get locked by moderation when they end up with primarily 2 people having a non productive or off-topic argument.
It's preferred that the options can be either or change at-will, I have seen what happens when a user gives a valid bad review and the developer sends their discord followers to harass them, although people can have their accounts locked or receive community bans for doing so.
This sounds a lot more like you are abusing another user and they simply don't want to tolerate you anymore.
Who cares, even if they don't block you, they can simply just delete your comments if they wanted, then still wouldn't server anything.
See unless they post on public forum, or places they do not have control, they can't stop you from quoting them, or delete your posts unless it was against forum rules.
No, you allowed others to comment, still falls under user content.
The main forum is community, beyond to no one, if you make your own group forum, that your content group forum, has nothing to do with any other forums.
If one say they want all comments to be open to all, while wanting their own comments not to allow others, or block said people from commenting is double standard.
Either way you look at it, everyone has a right to block those they don't wish to receive comments from, or no longer wish see comments from them.
You took pieces of my argument and addressed only those. I'm having to repeat myself quite often. So to me, it does not seem like you are taking into account things I've been saying throughout the posts, including the ones you partially quote. It also tends to take one argument and turn it into 10, as we're beginning to witness here.
So, I only own the content if I'm able to delete it before it reaches a certain amount of posts? I don't understand the reasoning behind that but ok.
Again, if you enable comments, I presumed you want a discussion. Nobody in their right mind is going to discuss a review on the forum, I've already explained why this is silly but you didn't quote it so I'm SOL, I guess.
I had already discussed how this differs from profiles. The comparison is so odd. Profiles have 3 major settings: public, friends only, and private. I can still view this person's profile even though I am blocked, for the record.
Discussing part of review, not the game. I don't know how to make you understand. Yeah somebody just said in their review that you can't do X even though that is factually incorrect, let me go discuss that on the forums where nobody is going to read it, instead of just saying "small correction, you CAN do X" when they leave the comments open.
I'm not really sure what you're saying, here. You're not subscribed to this thread, you say? But you're still clicking on the discussion and reading my comments, so..? You don't have to be here, I'll excuse you if you wish.
And that's.. fine? That doesn't really go against anything I'm saying here. Steam forums have their rules and regulations, and it's been made extremely clear to me by everyone here that reviews are not subject to these rules even if they get the community involved by enabling comments, and thus the poster is welcome to make an echo chamber to their hearts content.
But.. but.. the reviewer can simply.. turn comments off in that scenario, and that would be vastly more effective than blocking users one by one. *sigh* I don't get what people are trying to say, anymore.
Honestly, you got me in a box here. I literally can't respond to anybody without looking like I need the last word. Easy argument victory.
Would you say the same about yourself if I blocked you?
Or review discussions.
They can, and this has also been criticized in the past. It just didn't occur to me that they could block you and thus, from the outside view, it looks like you just gave up and stopped responding, rather than not having your comments exist in the first place.
Right, so quote their entire review and preach to a bunch of forum users that don't care, got it.
It's a public review that you don't have to go out of your way to see and allows anyone to comment if enabled. Seems like a pretty massive difference to me.
Can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Sounds like a reddit moment. Sorry I'm late to the party but I still wanted to bring up a discussion, hope you don't mind.
I appreciate everyone who has contributed to this discussion. Hope we've given each other things to chew on. I'll probably respond more tomorrow if anyone wants to keep discussing this.
What is unclear?