Steam rules on forum ban evasion

[BellTower]

Around 4 months ago, I was given a permanent ban on the [Removed] discord for going there with the sole intention of trying to report a steam user and since I'm not breaking any of the forum rules, the discord mods have convinced the steam mod that the discord ban somehow holds any weight on steam and that I should be banned on the steam forums as well. *Under ban-evasion*

Obviously any one with a tiny bit of common sense should be able smell the manure on the air from at least 5 miles off on that.

One of my many questions and problems is, I cannot find anything on steam nor the steam forums pertaining to ban evasion. Even after reading through the moderators handbook I still haven't found anything about ban evasion.

To make it clear, I am not and have never engaged in any form of ban evasion, the discord mods are trying to say that a ban on discord, is also a ban on steam. And again, I went there with the sole intention of reporting another user to the discord mods and got banned for it.

As far as I'm aware, valves on stance is "new account" "new slate" that's why I haven't found anything for ban evasion (other than dead links).

If anyone could shine some light on this, that would be amazing.

[Crazy Tiger]

Game hubs are ran by the game devs and their appointed moderator team. They can have their own rules and deviate from Steams general guidelines.

Ban evasion is indeed bannable, though the paid outsourced mods hired by Valve for the general forums don't seem to act on it. In the past it did get acted on.

[BellTower]

The reason I'm wanting to know valves stance on it is, I've been retroactively given a steam forum ban for a discord ban that I got 4 months ago. I can understand ban evasion being banable but because I posted on a completely different platform entirely, I shouldn't get banned for it.

[BJWyler]

As Crazy Tiger said, devs have control over their own forum space. That's Valve's stance on the matter. Devs have the ability and right to ban whomever they want whenever they want for whatever reason they want in the spaces they control. You do not have a Steam forum ban, hence why you were able to make this thread. You have a Phasmophobia hub ban.

And to nip any of the quasi-political nonsense in the bud: there are no free speech rights on forum spaces, and I as a Conservative myself, absolutely agree that devs should have the right to control the narrative on their own spaces.

Now the question, were you going to Discord to name and shame a user for your own personal reasons, or were you providing helpful information to the admins and devs privately about said user?

[Nx Machina]

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

Around 4 months ago, I was given a permanent ban on the Phasmophobia discord for going there with the sole intention of trying to report a steam user

As far as they are concerned it was correctly applied due to your "sole intention".

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

and since I'm not breaking any of the forum rules, the discord mods have convinced the steam mod that the discord ban somehow holds any weight on steam and that I should be banned on the steam forums as well. *Under ban-evasion*

And yet you had zero issue with crossing platforms due to your "sole intention".

Secondly on your ban notification there is the option to appeal, more importantly the forums are not the place to discuss bans.

[Satoru]

You do realize your post history is public don’t you. And there is a multiverse gap of what you claim happened

[BellTower]

Nx Machina eredeti hozzászólása:

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

Around 4 months ago, I was given a permanent ban on the Phasmophobia discord for going there with the sole intention of trying to report a steam user

As far as they are concerned it was correctly applied due to your "sole intention".

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

and since I'm not breaking any of the forum rules, the discord mods have convinced the steam mod that the discord ban somehow holds any weight on steam and that I should be banned on the steam forums as well. *Under ban-evasion*

And yet you had zero issue with crossing platforms due to your "sole intention".

Secondly on your ban notification there is the option to appeal, more importantly the forums are not the place to discuss bans.

Firstly, I went there on valves recommendation because valve said Moderators are appointed by the developers and not valve. Secondly, the discord is listed as the games support page, going there to lodge a complaint shouldn't have cross-platform repercussions. "This user tried to lodge a complaint about one of our moderators, for that we are going to ban him from everything". And for clarification, there is a 4 month gap between these two events, me going to the discord to lodge a complaint and being banned from the steam forums for "Use of alt to evade bans".

This whole argument of "you had zero issue with crossing platforms" is ludicrous, it's the places the devs have listed as their official support. You can't say it's my fault for trying to go to their official support.

Moderators have been ignoring the support tickets, it's been 3 days, they're clearly active and ignoring me, it's not the first time or even the second or third time they've ignored me.

[BellTower]

Satoru eredeti hozzászólása:

You do realize your post history is public don’t you. And there is a multiverse gap of what you claim happened

Sharing my views on how I don't like how the devs have been mismanaging the game shouldn't result in being banned from the forums.

We can discuss my post history in DM's if you want but here is the proof https://imgur.com/a/lqGG5JB

[Aachen]

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

Sharing my views on how I don't like how the devs have been mismanaging the game shouldn't result in being banned from the forums ….

Alas, traveler; that’s their call, not yours.

[BellTower]

From the moderators handbook

Let customers express their unhappiness. Don't censor; customers know when that's happening. Focus on your product rather than getting worked up over negative comments. Channel your energy into fixing the core issues and making customers happy in the product.

And a quote from one of the mods.

We certainly don't expect everyone to agree on everything here, seeing as that is the entire point of the forum. To express differing opinions about the game

EDIT: I should point out that the ban reason has allegedly got nothing to do with my views though.

[Boblin the Goblin]

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

From the moderators handbook

Let customers express their unhappiness. Don't censor; customers know when that's happening. Focus on your product rather than getting worked up over negative comments. Channel your energy into fixing the core issues and making customers happy in the product.

And a quote from one of the mods.

We certainly don't expect everyone to agree on everything here, seeing as that is the entire point of the forum. To express differing opinions about the game

EDIT: I should point out that the ban reason has allegedly got nothing to do with my views though.

That isn't the 'moderator handbook'.

That's a suggestion from Steam, not a rule.

[BellTower]

It's what I've seen it referred to by multiple people, my apologies.

Whilst it may not be a rule, it's clear that valve had an idea of how their services should be used, allowing customers to freely speak and leave feedback (civilly of course).

[Boblin the Goblin]

BellTower eredeti hozzászólása:

It's what I've seen it referred to by multiple people, my apologies.

Whilst it may not be a rule, it's clear that valve had an idea of how their services should be used, allowing customers to freely speak and leave feedback (civilly of course).

It's actually a suggestion in context of having a game's community thrive.

[D. Flame]

This is why fan-run forums were superior. Too bad they apparently all died out.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Unfortunately Valve/Steam allows developers to be as arbitrary and scummy as they want on the forums for their games. They have no intention on changing this, they say it's part of their "partnership program."

[Yuri Enjoyer Deluxe #YuriTF2]

If the report system were more lax, ♥♥♥♥ like this would be a looooot less common, let me tell ya.