"JUST UPGRADE" - except Windows 8 and beyond do not support firewire.

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Imagine you bought an expensive device that runs on firewire - for example a high end audio interface. If you "just upgrade" to windows 8 or beyond, you will come into problems with firewire....hell Windows 11 does not even support firewire........ because Microsoft has basically become the laziest most contemptful software company under the sun. Too lazy and pathetic to kick out a basic hardware driver

Because its all too hard for steam to just greenlight the DRM checks to let people play the games on the software and hardware they originally bought it on, you're now FORCED to run multiple operating systems and or buy new hardware ....

[Cathulhu]

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

[D. Flame]

Cathulhu původně napsal:

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

Macs haven't been the defacto standard for creators since the 90s or early 2000s or so. Mac was the industry standard for image editing and such too. Now you can just get Photoshop on Windows. Not to mention more specialize options like CSP for comic artists.

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Cathulhu původně napsal:

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

Logic isn't the de facto industry standard, bro

neither is garageband lmao

[Komarimaru]

Has the supposed devices that won't work on 10/11 even been listed yet?

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Komarimaru původně napsal:

Has the supposed devices that won't work on 10/11 even been listed yet?

Here's an example from Fousrite;

Saffire firewire range (Pro 14, Pro 24, Pro 24 DSP, Pro 26, Pro 40, LS 56)



Works with Windows 11 22H2? No

Saffire FireWire interfaces are no longer under development support, therefore we recommend that users do not upgrade Windows OS beyond Windows 10 build 1809


Saffire 6 USB 1.1: UNSUPPORTED

The USB 1.1 version of the Saffire 6 USB is not officially supported with Windows 11, though it may work. Please note that Saffire 6 USB 1.1 is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Saffire 6 USB 1.1 - end of development support

Saffire 6 USB 2.0: YES

You can determine whether you have a Saffire 6 USB 1.1 or Saffire 6 USB 2.0 by checking the serial number on the sticker on the underside of the unit. If the serial number begins with 'SU', it's a Saffire 6 USB 1.1. If it begins with 'S2', it's a Saffire 6 USB 2.0.

Forte



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED - The latest build of Windows 10 that Forte was tested with was build 1809. It may still work on Windows 11, though we cannot guarantee performance. Please note that Forte is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Forte - end of development support

VRM Box



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Although the VRM box is not supported for use in Windows 11 it may still work, though we cannot guarantee performance.


Midnight plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Midnight Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Midnight Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

carlett plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Scarlett Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Scarlett Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

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PreSonus example

Products Unsupported under Windows 11:

StudioLive AI Series Console and Rack Mixers
Previous versions of Studio One may run on Windows 11, but they are not technically supported at this time.
Universal Control 1.7.6 - FireWire products will still work on Windows 10.
Users of the following products are advised not to update their systems beyond Windows 10:
StudioLive 16.4.2
StudioLive 24.4.2
StudioLive 16.0.2 (Firewire)
FireStudio Project
FireStudio Mobile
FireStudio Tube
FireStudio Lightpipe

Windows FireWire (1394) Device Driver Discontinuation Notice
Published Oct 5, 2021

PreSonus is discontinuing support for device drivers for the FireWire products in Windows OS. Changes in the Windows 11 operating system prevent the device drivers for FireWire products from functioning as designed.

These devices will continue to be supported on Windows 10 builds 1703 to 21H1 with the following versions of software.

Universal Control 3.6.66460 will be the last version supported on Windows 10 that includes device drivers for the following products:

StudioLive 32.4.2AI
StudioLive 24.4.2AI
StudioLive 16.4.2AI
StudioLive RM/RML 32AI
StudioLive RM/RML 16AI
StudioLive 16.0.2 (FireWire/1394)
Universal Control 1.7.6 was the last version of software with drivers that supported the following products on Windows 10:

StudioLive 24.4.2
StudioLive 16.4.2
FireStudio Project
FireStudio Mobile
FireStudio Tube
FireStudio Lightpipe

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Komarimaru původně napsal:

Has the supposed devices that won't work on 10/11 even been listed yet?

Here's an example from Fousrite;

Saffire firewire range (Pro 14, Pro 24, Pro 24 DSP, Pro 26, Pro 40, LS 56)



Works with Windows 11 22H2? No

Saffire FireWire interfaces are no longer under development support, therefore we recommend that users do not upgrade Windows OS beyond Windows 10 build 1809


Saffire 6 USB 1.1: UNSUPPORTED

The USB 1.1 version of the Saffire 6 USB is not officially supported with Windows 11, though it may work. Please note that Saffire 6 USB 1.1 is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Saffire 6 USB 1.1 - end of development support

Saffire 6 USB 2.0: YES

You can determine whether you have a Saffire 6 USB 1.1 or Saffire 6 USB 2.0 by checking the serial number on the sticker on the underside of the unit. If the serial number begins with 'SU', it's a Saffire 6 USB 1.1. If it begins with 'S2', it's a Saffire 6 USB 2.0.

Forte



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED - The latest build of Windows 10 that Forte was tested with was build 1809. It may still work on Windows 11, though we cannot guarantee performance. Please note that Forte is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Forte - end of development support

VRM Box



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Although the VRM box is not supported for use in Windows 11 it may still work, though we cannot guarantee performance.


Midnight plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Midnight Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Midnight Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

carlett plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Scarlett Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Scarlett Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

So this is something you personally use very frequently?

[Komarimaru]

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Komarimaru původně napsal:

Has the supposed devices that won't work on 10/11 even been listed yet?

Here's an example from Fousrite;

Saffire firewire range (Pro 14, Pro 24, Pro 24 DSP, Pro 26, Pro 40, LS 56)



Works with Windows 11 22H2? No

Saffire FireWire interfaces are no longer under development support, therefore we recommend that users do not upgrade Windows OS beyond Windows 10 build 1809


Saffire 6 USB 1.1: UNSUPPORTED

The USB 1.1 version of the Saffire 6 USB is not officially supported with Windows 11, though it may work. Please note that Saffire 6 USB 1.1 is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Saffire 6 USB 1.1 - end of development support

Saffire 6 USB 2.0: YES

You can determine whether you have a Saffire 6 USB 1.1 or Saffire 6 USB 2.0 by checking the serial number on the sticker on the underside of the unit. If the serial number begins with 'SU', it's a Saffire 6 USB 1.1. If it begins with 'S2', it's a Saffire 6 USB 2.0.

Forte



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED - The latest build of Windows 10 that Forte was tested with was build 1809. It may still work on Windows 11, though we cannot guarantee performance. Please note that Forte is no longer part of our development or test plans, see this article: Forte - end of development support

VRM Box



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Although the VRM box is not supported for use in Windows 11 it may still work, though we cannot guarantee performance.


Midnight plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Midnight Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Midnight Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

carlett plug-in suite



Works with Windows 11 22H2? UNSUPPORTED

Scarlett Plugin Suite is still very likely to work with Windows 11 however it's no longer in our test procedure. The last fully tested version of Windows 10 for Scarlett Plugin Suite was version 1809, please see this article.

Points of note: You may need to manually select an install location when working through the installer.

Heh, funny that. That's just their announcement of ending support for those products.

Applies to: Pro 14, Pro 24, Pro 24 DSP, Pro 26, Pro 40, Liquid Saffire 56

As of October 2019, Saffire interfaces are no longer under development support, therefore we recommend Saffire owners do not upgrade their operating system beyond:

macOS Catalina
Windows 10 build 1809.

Aka, they moved on, that's it. All their current products do work.

But why are they stopping support themselves? Simple, the products came out in 2010... And are inferior to anything out now even on the cheaper end.

In other words, ya just reaching.

[Tito Shivan]

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People who bought expensive audio interfaces that work just fine

They're still a fringe case.

[BJWyler]

SlowMango původně napsal:

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Here's an example from Fousrite;

So this is something you personally use very frequently?

It doesn't matter.

Really, imagine that - manufacturers are no longer supporting their old, outdated tech. Whoever heard of such a thing?! Oh that's right, it's the nature of the beast in the tech world and has been since the 50's and 60's.

We paid $160 for our Aquarius back in 1983 (which is like $500 today). How dare Mattel not give us support for it anymore!

We bought the NES for $180 back in the day. How dare Nintendo hang up on me when I call them for support.

At the end of the day, all we have are special snowflakes who are salty because they made bad purchasing decisions for games, and/or didn't educate themselves on how the tech industry works, and instead of looking in the mirror and reflecting upon their poor decisions decide to take the typical route of absolving themselves of any personal responsibility and irrationally lash out at everything around them to try to massage their low self esteem. It's just sad to watch at this point, but until people come to that realization that they are responsible for their own habits, they can't really be helped and end up just being ignored.

[eqalidan]

Cathulhu původně napsal:

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

reaper is probably one of the better/best ones, just not industry standard.
but...

D. Flame původně napsal:

Cathulhu původně napsal:

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

Macs haven't been the defacto standard for creators since the 90s or early 2000s or so. Mac was the industry standard for image editing and such too. Now you can just get Photoshop on Windows. Not to mention more specialize options like CSP for comic artists.

macs were the defacto for many things because they loaded a copious amount of ram, they also tended to not crash or have problems as often with compatibility due to limited skus,

HOWEVER

the audio chain in macs is several orders of magnitudes better than windows, and damn near all the audio software, when you run a 'large' project even as small as a single song mix, crashes less often...

god this is hard to explain unless you know a bit about the audio pipeline,

the normal windows pipeline requires between 500 if you are lucky or 2000+ if you are not lucky
asio drivers for windows can get this down to 12-100
drivers form good manufactures can get down to around 8
macs can do 2-4

audio is the one area where macs outclass windows completely, and the audio programs tend to not crash on macs as often as on windows.

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Cathulhu původně napsal:

And those people usually use Mac computers as those are the de facto industry standard for audio work, especially since some professional software is not available on Windows.

Logic isn't the de facto industry standard, bro

neither is garageband lmao

pro tools is and its FAR better on macs.

[Firewalk]

BJWyler původně napsal:

SlowMango původně napsal:

So this is something you personally use very frequently?

It doesn't matter.

Really, imagine that - manufacturers are no longer supporting their old, outdated tech. Whoever heard of such a thing?! Oh that's right, it's the nature of the beast in the tech world and has been since the 50's and 60's.

We paid $160 for our Aquarius back in 1983 (which is like $500 today). How dare Mattel not give us support for it anymore!

We bought the NES for $180 back in the day. How dare Nintendo hang up on me when I call them for support.

At the end of the day, all we have are special snowflakes who are salty because they made bad purchasing decisions for games, and/or didn't educate themselves on how the tech industry works, and instead of looking in the mirror and reflecting upon their poor decisions decide to take the typical route of absolving themselves of any personal responsibility and irrationally lash out at everything around them to try to massage their low self esteem. It's just sad to watch at this point, but until people come to that realization that they are responsible for their own habits, they can't really be helped and end up just being ignored.

Hit the nail on the head. I'm saying that as someone who does use retro game cartridges and games from the 90's, all of which I got to run on 11. This whole Windows 7 debacle is the most overblown nonsense I have ever witnessed on these forums.

[Crashed]

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Prof.Jackie původně napsal:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

People who bought expensive audio interfaces that work just fine

And what is the make and model of said interface?

[Mad Scientist]

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People who bought expensive audio interfaces that work just fine

So, you're not affected by this scenario then? Either way, those arent users likely to be gaming.

SlowMango původně napsal:

So this is something you personally use very frequently?

Doesn't seem like it.
Most onboard audio is superior to the older, specific things that may be for macs which it doesn't seem like the OP uses any of such. I doubt the OP uses firewire either.

[Komarimaru]

Crashed původně napsal:

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People who bought expensive audio interfaces that work just fine

And what is the make and model of said interface?

The stuff they listed, was from 2010. It was discontinued from the Manufacturer for support.