"JUST UPGRADE" - except Windows 8 and beyond do not support firewire.

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Imagine you bought an expensive device that runs on firewire - for example a high end audio interface. If you "just upgrade" to windows 8 or beyond, you will come into problems with firewire....hell Windows 11 does not even support firewire........ because Microsoft has basically become the laziest most contemptful software company under the sun. Too lazy and pathetic to kick out a basic hardware driver

Because its all too hard for steam to just greenlight the DRM checks to let people play the games on the software and hardware they originally bought it on, you're now FORCED to run multiple operating systems and or buy new hardware ....

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Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Cathulhu님이 먼저 게시:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394
Firewire uses packets as well.
You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

Correct. It's all just making drama about Valve/Steam as aftermath of the CoH3 debacle. This time the dropping of support is the vector.

Did CoH3 bury 7 support?

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Info about FireWire on Windows 10 and 11:
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Firewire-1.htm
Since they were mentioned in the thread, make sure to read the warning about those "FireWire to USB" adapters.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

Crazy Tiger님이 먼저 게시:

Correct. It's all just making drama about Valve/Steam as aftermath of the CoH3 debacle. This time the dropping of support is the vector.

Did CoH3 bury 7 support?

No. Moderation happened a few months ago.

[Prof.Jackie]

Who the hell still uses firewire?

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Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

Maybe running some ancient device that has only 32-bit drivers?

[Mad Scientist]

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

Maybe running some ancient device that has only 32-bit drivers?

32-bit works in a 64-bit operating system. Win 11 supports 32-bit. Only apple likes axing 32bit support so far.

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Mad Scientist님이 먼저 게시:

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

Maybe running some ancient device that has only 32-bit drivers?

32-bit works in a 64-bit operating system. Win 11 supports 32-bit. Only apple likes axing 32bit support so far.

Windows 11 supports 32-bit usermode programs, but not kernel drivers.

[Prof.Jackie]

Crashed님이 먼저 게시:

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

Maybe running some ancient device that has only 32-bit drivers?

Okay maybe some enthusiasts with their highly specific setup still do. But OP tried to use companies like audio interface manufacturers as an arguement. All I can say is the last time I*ve used firewire in a production company for professional video editing way about 10 years ago maybe even even longer.
(Not to mention his arguement is nonsense anyway because companies like that don't give a f*** if Steam would run on their equipment or not.)

[eqalidan]

Azure Fang님이 먼저 게시:

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

What i find odd, i never heard of it, and found solutions in minutes.

I mean, that's par for the course for every "reason" upgrade deniers have spouted/parroted so far.

just because there is a solution doesnt mean it works well, working > may work is the key thing here

seemingly due to the way drivers got dealt with in win 11, add in card support and their drivers just gave up largely so its a bit of a cluster ♥♥♥♥ to find something that works well.

Nx Machina님이 먼저 게시:

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hell Windows 11 does not even support firewire

Firewire works on Windows 11 as you can use the built in one or the Legacy IEEE 1394 driver for devices that do not have an updated driver from the hardware provider.

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Because its all too hard for steam to just greenlight the DRM checks to let people play the games on the software and hardware they originally bought it on, you're now FORCED to run multiple operating systems and or buy new hardware ....

Speaking as someone who originally installed Windows 10 x64 over Windows 7 x64 install on a system with a Phenom II 955 Black Edition, Radeon HD5870, 8GB Ram and HDD's only, i can state every game from the Win 7 era ran on that PC with zero issues.

and now your lying, they have issues, granted most are solvable issues, but issues nonetheless. hell, I only restart my computer once every 2-6 monhts so this isnt a major issues, but most of my startup programs refuse to start up.

Chika Ogiue님이 먼저 게시:

Komarimaru님이 먼저 게시:

I just think it odd to even bring it up, it died in 2013, before Windows 10 even came out.

OP in his rebellious early-teen phase. This is his latest attempt at striking back because he got himself banned on a game forum. So he's chosen a completely irrelevant piece of tech to try and complain about something he doesn't really care two-hoots over.

audio interfaces are capable of costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and yes, while time moves forward good enough options get cheaper, it still sucks needing to get rid of something that works because it no longer works. dual booting is NEVER a permanent solution, you default to one of the oses and just make due with it.

[Chika Ogiue]

eqalidan님이 먼저 게시:

audio interfaces are capable of costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and yes, while time moves forward good enough options get cheaper, it still sucks needing to get rid of something that works because it no longer works. dual booting is NEVER a permanent solution, you default to one of the oses and just make due with it.

You'd have a point, but the OP is a known troll. They do not have anything firewire enabled, certainly not expensive audio interfaces. They are simply finding ways to vent at Valve because they got banned from the COH3 forums and kept earning bans on this forum because they wouldn't drop the matter. This is their new approach. Don't fall for it.

[Tito Shivan]

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

Over here? Mostly the strawmen.

[Skeletor]

If you are a Windows 7 fan, buy Steam deck. Some games are great on deck.

[eqalidan]

Chika Ogiue님이 먼저 게시:

eqalidan님이 먼저 게시:

audio interfaces are capable of costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and yes, while time moves forward good enough options get cheaper, it still sucks needing to get rid of something that works because it no longer works. dual booting is NEVER a permanent solution, you default to one of the oses and just make due with it.

You'd have a point, but the OP is a known troll. They do not have anything firewire enabled, certainly not expensive audio interfaces. They are simply finding ways to vent at Valve because they got banned from the COH3 forums and kept earning bans on this forum because they wouldn't drop the matter. This is their new approach. Don't fall for it.

lol, what they do in coh3 to get a ban from the forum... and as far as the win 7 thing, they could feature lock it and just let you run what you have, people have older systems for the sake of runing native programs, hell, I have a few games that demand compatibility 7 much less some programs that dont like to boot because of specific drivers.

valve is a multi billion dollar operation, you think compatibility for an os that no longer gets updates would be as simple as if it works good for you, if it doesn't, well, ♥♥♥♥.

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

Over here? Mostly the strawmen.

off the top of my head, reltively high end camera equipment/camcorders/audio interfaces, and when I say high end, I want to preface it with even entry level dslrs or mirrolesses are likely better, but the floor for entry is still in the 600~ range where you are spending money due to a cable issue.

that said, camras or camcorders likely have flash cards you can take out to transfer, or even the firewire to usb would probably work, but an audio interface likely doesnt due to the way that it works, along with drivers for them usually being several orders of magnitude better than windows native or generic asio

professional level stuff is still very usable even 20~ years after manufacture, and while consumer/prosumer stuff got cheaper its still a good chunk of change for something that would have otherwise been unnecessary.

its one of the reasons I have stuff not tied to my computer for anything music I do, I just don't trust ongoing support or microsoft to not kill what I use, I would rather trust stand alone devices.

[D. Flame]

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We live in the age of peak anti-consumerism.

This really wasn't an issue when companies were pushing it. It made sense for them to try to act in their own best interests. What is baffling is that consumers are starting to argue in favor of this crap too, despite the fact that it benefits them in no way, and actually only serves to harm them.

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Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Who the hell still uses firewire?

People who bought expensive audio interfaces that work just fine