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[PinkPanzer]

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[Jon the VGNerd]

The worst part are Valve Moderators, OP. Volunteer Moderators are kicked out and instead replaced by moderators with basically cut-and-paste bot responses, along with majority of reports being left ignored often times. While Steam is still doing well for the most part, the way reports are handled are highly inconsistent, and bans against trolls are rarely handled, if at all. And said trolls had been still at large while only a handful were indeed erased off from Steam. Otherwise, Valve Moderators that are run by bots with almost next to no human-level responses is rather worrying.

And I'd rather not have someone tell me to "report, block and move on" because it'd be the most asinine responses I've ever seen.

[BJWyler]

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

Good day to you and thank you for reading.

Steam is a business not a charity, of course they are going after profit and their own interests.

- Early acces

- Game announcements

- Games are always subject to change

- Censorship

- The community

Do you feel the same or am hallucinating?.

No, I don't feel the same and I highlighted the important part of your post which explains why.

As for the other stuff:
Early Access: EA is a means for developers to get some cash flow in during the development process. As a result, it opens up the game making process for all to see. It's not always a pretty sight. Making games is not as easy as many people think, and the only timeliness that matter are the ones a publisher gives to a developer. There are no guarantees in the process. For indie developers, this may not even be their main "job" so to speak. This is also something that has nothing to do with Steam. Go do a Googke search for long development cycles for games. It'll be an eye opener. Have you heard of a game called Star Citizen?

Game Announcements: Again, nothing to do with Steam specifically. Developers and Publishers are the sole arbiters of how and when information is disseminated about their game. It's up to each gamer to properly manage their own expectations, which tends to be a problem in the community.

Games Changing: This is one of those newer phenomenons thanks to digital distribution. Gone are the days where the game you bought on disk changed only when you downloaded a patch. Gameplay and features changing in a game are part and parcel of online games like MMOs and Multiplayer games. Because of digital distribution, devs can now add and change content to any game to give players new content and keep the game fresh. The downside is that not all changes may please all people. At the end of the day, a game still belongs to the developers and not the players, so it is well within their rights to make any changes they see fit.

To be continued...

[Phoenix]

Jon the VGNerd님이 먼저 게시:

The worst part are Valve Moderators, OP. Volunteer Moderators are kicked out and instead replaced by moderators with basically cut-and-paste bot responses, along with majority of reports being left ignored often times. While Steam is still doing well for the most part, the way reports are handled are highly inconsistent, and bans against trolls are rarely handled, if at all. And said trolls had been still at large while only a handful were indeed erased off from Steam. Otherwise, Valve Moderators that are run by bots with almost next to no human-level responses is rather worrying.

And I'd rather not have someone tell me to "report, block and move on" because it'd be the most asinine responses I've ever seen.

I know this one well. The amount of times people are allowed to attack for anything and gang mentality cyber bully without the devs doing a thing. In fact, more often than not, they ban the people standing up to the behaviour, even though they are doing it calmly, but do nothing about the abusive ones.

Hence my The hunter Call of the Wild review.

I also had issues recently with Exoprimal. The following is ready to add to my review when I get it in 14 hours:-

""No warnings, just an instant ban, just for it being off topic.
The person asking the off topic question that I responded to, did not get banned

They ban me but did nothing about the abuse/bullying that was going on.
I was going to keep track of all the people bullying on the forum, but it was all I could do to keep up with one guy, as he was non stop attacking people.
He did it numerous times per thread, in 14 threads, over 9 hours, I sent them all to dev and they did sod all about him.
I dread to think how much all the others were getting away with.

When are these people going to learn that cyber bullying is unacceptable and by doing nothing, they are supporting it, which is just disgusting behaviour.""

I sent 19 messages with links to his abusive comments over friday and saturday, along with messages telling them how appalling their behaviour was and they still have not even responded to me or banned him.

I also had a power hungry dev on Killing Floor 2, which again is in my review. Her behaviour topped any of the other issues I have had with dev/moderators since I joined Steam.
She even tried attacking me by leaving a response to my review, which I responded to and she eventually removed her part as I had proved her wrong and showed her for the power tripping freak that she was, leaving my review seeming like I am talking to no one.

[BJWyler]

JustAnotherThorn님이 먼저 게시:

snip.

And this is exactly why measures against review bombing exist that everybody is complaining about in the forums right now.

A review isn't their for you to air your grievances against forum mods or devs. It's there to give an honest assessment of a game and it's features. If you have a beef with a dev or forum policy, take it to the appropriate places - like forums, blogs, and gaming sites.

[Phoenix]

Have I ever done that ? It is always a proper review, even if it's short. This is the first time I will be buying a game solely to negative review, but not just due to the behaviour, the game is just as crap as their moderator/dev.

"Pointless taking it further. I did several times at first, but Steam always says it is nothing to do with them and they can't do a thing."

[76561199526426411]

xCHADDYBOIx님이 먼저 게시:

can you add me me dude

no

[Brian9824]

I really don't get why people don't just turn off seeing EA games if they dislike them so much....

Personally I love them, 7 days to die is one of my most played games of all time, and its been in EA for years. The dev's are on the slower side, but they do a great job and make a really fun game to play and its been one of the best purchases i've ever made, and the reviews on the game reflect that.

[Tito Shivan]

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- Early acces: Games can be in this state forever

Just like some nmon-early access games never make it to release. Such is the business of making software. The travel Early Access offer is not for everyone, but it's not much different than the one regular games go through.

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- Game announcements: announcements can be made far far into the future and the release date can be extended into oblivion, and if there is an party with a big sack of money the promised release get canceled, customers kept in the unknown and release seems unlikely dispite even selling the game in early acces or pre sale.

As said above, not everyone makes it to the finish line. And some roam in development hell for years and years.

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- Games are always subject to change:

And people demand games to keep adding more and more content for longer and longer. Games change because people demand them to change.

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- Censorship:

The fabricated outrage of the month. There's always one to keep people clicking on news sites, forums and social sites.

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- The community is too powerfull and too powerless at the same time:

The community two main problems can be summed up in: They don't know they can't have the cake and eat it too And don't want to realise wallets speak louder than words.

[Realigo Actual]

Yeah the skullgirls thing is some silly stuff. If only George Lucas had been in the streaming era he could have patched in his changes to every OT.

I can understand how they wish to avoid being seen to be profiteering off of WW2, but it's honestly stupid how complete the image of WW2 is now proselytized to the propaganda of being a frankenstein's monster of a conflict. There are any number of tragic conflicts, the retelling of which are profited from but when you do that it's art and even respectable. WW2 was a conflict much like many others in impetus and causes. The touchy thing about WW2 should not be the Nazis but the destructive potential of a modern war machine thanks to industrialization. Or the perverse avalanche of human suffering made possible by large scale agriculture combined with inequality. Or the readiness with which the door to persecution of the jews can be caught by any wind of change throughout history, since attacking them is one of the few things the rich man and poor man can readily agree on. And these are cautionary tales but not touchy subjects. Something to be cleareyed about but not careful with. Well I suppose it actually does apply to the jews by now. Certainly to the holocaust. So we don't like red and black armbands. I'm assuming we also don't like white ones? What about blue ones? What about red, white & blue ones?

As for the other thing. Penesia. Penis amnesia.

They boat breaks down and it's like the ocean never existed. And it's right to forget. Boobies is immature. After all, it's the stuff of children. In all seriousness I'm of two minds about it. On one hand, if women want their characters to do selfies and chewing gum and long-sleeve shirts under t-shirts and be so relatable.. fine. But this is videogames. I want to punch Nazis with a backflipping iceball attack and then triple sowcow into my flying monster truck with my bikini-armored big titty sidekick riding in the back machine-gunning ninjas with a flaming minigun. I don't want to discuss insecurites with boyish long-sleeve shirt under t-shirt Ashley and then press x to explain why I serve you Lady Bo Katan.

[veracsthane]

Start_Running님이 먼저 게시:

Loli-mancer님이 먼저 게시:

- Early acces: Games can be in this state forever and every complaint about the game in question is countered with: But its early acces, everything is subject to change...those game breaking bugs? early acces, that feature promised but stil not in the game after years? early acces, No progress in the game development? early acces....and so on and so on. Most of the games in my wishlist are eary acces and seem to stay there forever.


- Games are always subject to change: Take the recent uproar with Skullgirls (which in my opinion is validated), games are always in danger to have removed: themes, characters, items, clothing, maps or can be changed and censored willy nilly, regardless of the time of release (it can be decades), money invested, or whatever. Games can be even removed completely if some-one somewhere takes issue with a game and want it gone. Yes, if you bought the game you are allowed to keep it but can be changed and all the fun sucked out of it.

- Censorship: Censor-ship seems to be applied to the standard of the current mood of the Steam moderater in charge at that day. There seems no consistency at all, for one day a game can be allowed to sell with no issue but part 2 of that game gets denied for some reason while the theme, graphics and gameplay are nearly the same. You can create a game and have the player engage into any form of sexual deviancy with animals, world leaders and monsters, but a Japanese RPG with a high school setting gets denied at the spot for promoting underage molestation(even when the game has no sexual elements at all). Even when a game has been released for a while, it can be censored in the blink of an eye to comply with the often insane demands of the censorship demanding party while none of the active players has reported any issue.

Or it could be that you've just gotten used to the dopamine rish and don't feel as giddy. Plus you may be suffering backlog-guilt


Th skullgirls thing.. meh. I suspect some intrepid fan will find a way to patch in the old sprites though I can kinda see where the devs are coming from. Siimply put they need more money, and eyeballs and to be fair the fanservice probably doesn't help them get into more kid friendly market places.

I don't like it. I mean I know why I bought the game.

for the steam idiots who want to know why things are taking so negetive a turn for you. the quoted part from the op is a very real problem

early access - is becoming a clear problem the same way patching lead to unfinished games with constant day 1 patches and constant hot fixing

stuff like with skull girls is a huge reason for gamers to close their wallets. it doesnt matter if you agree with it or not. its only okay until it comes for you then you will be singing the same tune.

censorship. some of it i can understand thanks to government making it happen but its the number one reason communists dissolve. no one is going to keep putting up with it if they have self respect anyways.

as for the second qoute they already did i heard.

[Tito Shivan]

veracsthane님이 먼저 게시:

early access - is becoming a clear problem the same way patching lead to unfinished games with constant day 1 patches and constant hot fixing

The day gamers don't throw a tantrum and send death threats to the devs every time a game is delayed is the day games will stop requiring so many zero day patches.

It takes two to tango.

[veracsthane]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

veracsthane님이 먼저 게시:

early access - is becoming a clear problem the same way patching lead to unfinished games with constant day 1 patches and constant hot fixing

The day gamers don't throw a tantrum and send death threats to the devs every time a game is delayed is the day games will stop requiring so many zero day patches.

It takes two to tango.

bro the goverment sent those "threats" before patching. it was called a lawsuit and it was taken seriuosly as a result. it would bankrupt even companies like sony and nintendo. nintendo is ironically the only one left with any kind of quality control.

[Fizzban]

Until its on Bloomberg no one is gonna care sadly.

[Tito Shivan]

veracsthane님이 먼저 게시:

bro the goverment sent those "threats" before patching.

'The goverment' sent these death threats?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/28/21538525/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-red-death-threats-game-delay
Or these ones?
https://kotaku.com/i-got-death-threats-for-reporting-on-a-video-game-delay-1779617741
These?
https://gameriv.com/god-of-war-dev-receives-death-threats-over-ragnaroks-delay/
These ones?
https://gamerant.com/game-developer-cancels-gdc-appearance-death-threats/
Or these?
https://www.gamebyte.com/blue-box-game-studios-receives-death-threats-over-abandoned/

I don't think we're on the same page here.

[veracsthane]

Tito Shivan님이 먼저 게시:

veracsthane님이 먼저 게시:

bro the goverment sent those "threats" before patching.

'The goverment' sent these death threats?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/28/21538525/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-red-death-threats-game-delay
Or these ones?
https://kotaku.com/i-got-death-threats-for-reporting-on-a-video-game-delay-1779617741
These?
https://gameriv.com/god-of-war-dev-receives-death-threats-over-ragnaroks-delay/
These ones?
https://gamerant.com/game-developer-cancels-gdc-appearance-death-threats/
Or these?
https://www.gamebyte.com/blue-box-game-studios-receives-death-threats-over-abandoned/

I don't think we're on the same page here.

we arent. your being intentionally obtuse and trying to start a fight. put the coolaid down.