Questing regarding Windows 7 vs. 10 game compatibility

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I don't wish to start a flame war, merely asking a genuine question. I have non-steam games as well (Lords of the Realm from 1994, run on DOSbox. Might and Magic 6 from 1998 run normally, Oregon Trail 2 from 1996, runs normally with a little tweaking, to name a few). I know having the original OS, or an OS that is newer than the original, but still closer than brand new, could help in playability. Will I lose the ability to play any games if I make the switch from Windows 7 to 10? If not, I could download 10 on this system.. If I could, I could make a new machine. Thanks!

[xBCxRangers]

MonkehMaster님이 먼저 게시:

xBCxRangers님이 먼저 게시:

Oh what do you mean, like buy it for 2 bucks on GoG or something? That's what i'm gonna have to end up doing, and just play those games from there. I just need controller support.

might try something like xpadder? basically allows use of a controller no matter if it supports controller or not, though the experience isnt going to be amazing, but that also depends on the game.

that being said, gog should have controller support?

Yeah i never tried GoG. I heard they do have controller support. That place is gonna be my savior in this matter hopefully. I'm gonna lose the old COD stuff (though i have the classic on xbox, and maybe after todays acquistion more will come ) and some others. Just have to rebuy them.

[Komarimaru]

Thermal Lance님이 먼저 게시:

C²C^Guyver |NZB|님이 먼저 게시:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5940851423456467468/?ctp=108#c3821910251194787257

Every game on that list works on 10 and 11

Unreal Gold even works, as well as Mechwarrior 4

People saying games won't work on 10 or 11 are guessing.

Mechwarrior 4 dont boot on all systems btw. It depends on the videocard. It detects mine as an unsupported card and I have to use dgVoodoo to spoof a generic one.

Ya hardware compatibility isn't something people can control, but there are work arounds. It oddly boots just fine for me on a 3080ti though.

[Azure Fang]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/MechWarrior_4:_Mercenaries#Issues_fixed
Disabling the card detection fixes it on modern systems, as long as you have the game fully patched.

Every game can be coaxed to run on Windows 10/11. You just have to actually try with some. Especially since Windows ACT, the optional compatibility tool for Windows 7, was directly integrated into Windows 10+.

If it requires an emulator (non-Microsoft OS), emulate. If all else fails, MAME.

If it requires DOS, DOSBox. If classic DOSBox doesn't work, try SVN builds, DAUM, X, or other forks.

Anything else, use the compatibility tool and look it up on PCGamingWiki. If it exists, there's a fix for it.

[Metal Izanagi]

You're more likely to run into hardware incompatibility over time than a problem related to upgrading to 10 from 7. Every game I played on 7, I've been able to play on 10. Sometimes it requires a little bit of fiddling with settings or grabbing a patch/a file to stick in the game's directory, but even incredibly old games like Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate can be convinced to run on 10.

What I have run into a few times is a situation where a game has trouble playing nice with modern hardware. Usually has something to do with shader tech from ages ago not being supported by modern video drivers anymore.

[That guy with the Spoon]

Oh, here we go again.

No, just launching a game, seeing the intro logo's play, getting into the menu and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around a bit in the 1st level or tutorial isn't enough proof that a game will be playable on Windows 10/11.

how can you claim that there aren't any issues arising 10 hours in? And no, it's not a uncommon thing to happen.

[Komarimaru]

Ginosaji님이 먼저 게시:

Oh, here we go again.

No, just launching a game, seeing the intro logo's play, getting into the menu and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around a bit in the 1st level or tutorial isn't enough proof that a game will be playable on Windows 10/11.

how can you claim that there aren't any issues arising 10 hours in? And no, it's not a uncommon thing to happen.

Because a lot of games people listed I have, and played fully through on 10.

[BaLuX]

Ginosaji님이 먼저 게시:

Oh, here we go again.

No, just launching a game, seeing the intro logo's play, getting into the menu and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around a bit in the 1st level or tutorial isn't enough proof that a game will be playable on Windows 10/11.

how can you claim that there aren't any issues arising 10 hours in? And no, it's not a uncommon thing to happen.

No doubt.

But while some games may have issues with Windows 10/11, most of them can definitely be fixed with some tweaks.

I think it's a worthy tradeoff, especially if you want to also play newer games where the opposite happens: Windows 10/11 is supported and Windows 7 is not.

[RiO]

Azure Fang님이 먼저 게시:

Every game can be coaxed to run on Windows 10/11. You just have to actually try with some.

Honest question:
Why should it be the consumer's responsibility to try to get the software they bought to run correctly?
Why is it not the trader's responsibility to ensure old software that they still continue to sell in modern times, actually works on modern day environments correctly? E.g. by pre-applying the necessary workarounds right out the gate?

[BaLuX]

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

Azure Fang님이 먼저 게시:

Every game can be coaxed to run on Windows 10/11. You just have to actually try with some.

Honest question:
Why should it be the consumer's responsibility to try to get the software they bought to run correctly?
Why is it not the trader's responsibility to ensure old software that they still continue to sell in modern times, actually works on modern day environments correctly? E.g. by pre-applying the necessary workarounds right out the gate?

Well, they are not obligated to. And they consider that to be a waste of resources, most likely.

[RiO]

BaLuX님이 먼저 게시:

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

Honest question:
Why should it be the consumer's responsibility to try to get the software they bought to run correctly?
Why is it not the trader's responsibility to ensure old software that they still continue to sell in modern times, actually works on modern day environments correctly? E.g. by pre-applying the necessary workarounds right out the gate?

Well, they are not obligated to. And they consider that to be a waste of resources, most likely.

You mean to say they don't have an obligation to ensure the product they sell actually works?
Last I checked most jurisdictions around the world actually do have legislation which requires that of traders. And only allow exemption for things like fixer-uppers if the conditions are explicitly listed or the consumer is otherwise made explicitly aware of them prior to sale.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Ginosaji님이 먼저 게시:

Oh, here we go again.

No, just launching a game, seeing the intro logo's play, getting into the menu and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around a bit in the 1st level or tutorial isn't enough proof that a game will be playable on Windows 10/11.

how can you claim that there aren't any issues arising 10 hours in? And no, it's not a uncommon thing to happen.

That wouldn't be much of a test if that all was done, most people actually went into the gameplay to actually test which is the point, and not that much time comsuming, basically playing 1st, or even 2nd level of the may be enough to test, and sometime people actually play from start to finish which can give a full test review about start to finish, if you're only looking for that review, why not just ask in the community for said game, and ask did anyone recently play it using said OS from start to finish, and maybe get your answer right away, or whenever someone reply back, depending how often people even play said game.

There some games I did play start to finish, such as old batman game, some of the mount & blade, two worlds 2, Sleeping Dogs DE, some of the Final Fantasy games, Company of Heroes, Before the Echo, Evoland 1 & 2, Fable III, Shadow Warrior, Hotline Miami, Duke Nukem Forever, Sanctum, Castle Crashers,
Ys series, and as you see list keep getting longer, and longer as these are games I play, and still working on my backlog, but as I point out despite these game not saying the support Windows 7, 8, 10, or 10, they do work in those OSs and yet there people screaming slamming their heads off walls, swearing up, and down claiming you can't run said game, but all it took was simple guide to follow to fix the issue, and by far I haven't came across any game that flat out do not work in Windows 10, by flat out I mean there no way to start into the gameplay at all, or get pass the 1st level, and yet not one game I came across that yet, and I'm still working finding just one game to go by for example what game that couldn't work.

Right now I'm working on Commandos series half way done 1st game, and may play the 2nd game afterwards, I ran the 2nd game because a friend said couldn't launch it, and fix it under a min because all it took was one tick to install a driver to fix the problem go fig.

BaLuX님이 먼저 게시:

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

Honest question:
Why should it be the consumer's responsibility to try to get the software they bought to run correctly?
Why is it not the trader's responsibility to ensure old software that they still continue to sell in modern times, actually works on modern day environments correctly? E.g. by pre-applying the necessary workarounds right out the gate?

Well, they are not obligated to. And they consider that to be a waste of resources, most likely.

^This, no law, or rules that devs must update their game, or make it work for past, or future OS. Some games devs brings out may not work for old OS, despite there another version that does work, and same for future released OS that comes out overtime.

That why sometimes you see in some rare caes between Gog, and Steam there different versions of the same game.

[RiO]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

^This, no law, or rules that devs must update their game, or make it work for past, or future OS. Some games devs brings out may not work for old OS, despite there another version that does work, and same for future released OS that comes out overtime.

The developer or publisher are not the trader though.
The trader is Steam.

And just as an example: in the EU there actually is legislation on conformance of purchased digital content. Moreover, in situations of continuous supply -- as is the case for Steam and platforms like it that offer on-demand installation of an evergreen version of the content from an online account library -- traders there are liable for issues of non-conformance for the duration of the supply. Which in most cases of such platforms means: for as long as the user's account remains active.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

^This, no law, or rules that devs must update their game, or make it work for past, or future OS. Some games devs brings out may not work for old OS, despite there another version that does work, and same for future released OS that comes out overtime.

The developer or publisher are not the trader though.
The trader is Steam.

And just as an example: in the EU there actually is legislation on conformance of purchased digital content. Moreover, in situations of continuous supply -- as is the case for Steam and platforms like it that offer on-demand installation of an evergreen version of the content from an online account library -- traders there are liable for issues of non-conformance for the duration of the supply. Which in most cases of such platforms means: for as long as the user's account remains active.

I know you didn't forget this.
https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

But also again Steam isn't the one that must update 3rd party games, nor have to make sure they work they just sell it, if it doesn't work they can offer refund, which is whole point, so as far most of us knows, there hasn't been any law that fine Steam that they must make a game run, or update 3rd party games, and been almost 18 years since 2005 of 3rd party, sooo yeah.... I mean EVEN GOG would've been hit if that was the problem, and yet here they still are no legal fines, or anything even they offer refunds so yeah...

[metamec]

Does Windows 7 support all DirectX 12 games yet? I have no interest in reverting to Windows 7, but that would be my main gaming concern going back to it considering how much I like DLSS.

[Komarimaru]

RiO님이 먼저 게시:

Dr.Shadowds 🐉님이 먼저 게시:

^This, no law, or rules that devs must update their game, or make it work for past, or future OS. Some games devs brings out may not work for old OS, despite there another version that does work, and same for future released OS that comes out overtime.

The developer or publisher are not the trader though.
The trader is Steam.

And just as an example: in the EU there actually is legislation on conformance of purchased digital content. Moreover, in situations of continuous supply -- as is the case for Steam and platforms like it that offer on-demand installation of an evergreen version of the content from an online account library -- traders there are liable for issues of non-conformance for the duration of the supply. Which in most cases of such platforms means: for as long as the user's account remains active.

Which is no way affects Steam, nor ever will.

With people like you, you'd want Steam to de- list all the old games, because certain users are ignorant. Even though the games work fine with proper drivers are just a tiny fix that got can found on the pc gaming wiki.