What Does This Tell You About Steam?

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

I checked out GOG recently, & here is what I found.

GOG Galaxy 2.0 is only a few MB to install, & installing 2 Games,
I was able to get GOG & 2 Games running at under 1 GB.

GOG Galaxy is low resource, so it does not take up much space,
& with low RAM use, you really feel the Freedom of your RAM being lifted.

Now, I come back to Steam, & this is what I get?
-- Going back to old Steam using -VGUI, cause can't open Chat.
-- Steam blocks the -VGUI command now.
-- This Sale is a joke.
-- Web Helper Performance Issues.
-- Error Code -10.
-- Valve Modderators need to do a better Job.
-- Why Stop Windows 7 Support?

This is all on the 1st Page of Steam Forums.

You don't have anythig like this in GOG Forums on the 1st Page.
GOG Galaxy seems to do well on Windows 7, lone enough Win 10 & Win 11.

What does this tell you about Steam?
Valve clearly is doing this on purpose, & deliberately making
Steam problematic for people. There has been GUI Changes
in Steam before with the Green Client going to the all Grey Client,
& you did not have such a horrible mess like you do with this so
called New Client Steam is using now.

Valve clearly is deliberately doing this to their Customers.
-- Why defend a platform that clearly keeps getting worst?
-- Especially when there are platforms out there clearly not doing so bad.

Aren't you just spending money, being wasteful here?
Hoping that Steam gets better, meanwhile other people
are having a lot more fun on other platforms?

What does this tell you about Steam?


I'm not trying to sway anyone to do anything,
i'm just basing my info on Facts. Look at the 1st
Page of Steam for yourself? You make the judgement call.

GOG might not have enough Games to compete with Steam,
but they do have Games, & these Games do run fantastically on GOG,
& from my understanding you can even run these Games Offline, too.

Meanwhile Steam is a giant Question Mark, if it'll even get any better? ~_~
-- People put way too much faith in Steam.
-- Steam is not like it's always been before, Valve clearly has changed.
-- Have you changed, too?

Then there is the Question about EPIC Games, I haven't been on
there in a while. Last I checked they were doing fairly well for a Platform.

[AggressiveHibernation]

Originalmente postado por NakiBest:

GOG Galaxy does not work for me on Windows 11 OS at all.

That's your problem, you're using Windows 11.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

You did not read what I wrote. Never said the installers had DRM. The games themselves that they sell many now contain various forms of DRM as they have abandoned their stance on it in order to get more titles available to sell.

There is a big thread about it on their forums worth lots of their users unhappy over it

Sure, you can install the games on any PC you want but they "contain various forms of DRM".

It's a miracle, praise the Lord!:lol:

Yep, you can read up on it here, there is an 82 page thread going on it with people complaining
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

So you make another topic to promote gog because couldn't get your way?
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3801649759600087027/


Let clear things up, yes people put too much faith in "corporations" <--- that the word you're looking for, as even Gog can drop windows 7 support in the future if they want, there no agreement they must support any said OS for life.

Another is that Gog haven't updated their client for long time, still has messy bugs, and if have a ton of games that you sync it just tries to overload your system trying to resync everything over, and over for no reason. Try that with 1500+ games sync from other libraries via gog client, and you see your client lagging your own system. Playnite way better, it syncs when you want it to, and does a better jump as well, not only that but it the most best library manager there is compare to Gog by a mile with so much options, as well can customize your playnite client from looks, theme, and colour, as well has controller support if that matters to you to begin with.

We all knew Steam drops OS overtime since 2007 Windows 98 & ME, 2019 Windows xp & vista. and 2024 Windows 7 & 8, and if you kept covering your eyes, and plugging your ears from all the signs, and warning that people explain for longest time, then you make a pikachu face when you see the announcement when your OS get dropped, it shows how gullible, and ignorant yourself is when should've knew the signs from the start... As I said multiple times to OP in many discussion, if you plan to stick to only one OS for rest of your LIFE, DO NOT run towards Live services, and DRM.

[Xhoas]

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

Originalmente postado por ÁROCK!!!:

i would not say they don't care about money, but they are definitely not a greedy corp like STEAM/Valve.

They do care about money, but unlike Valve, they also care about games and gamers / customer

They showed a lot of care with the deception of Cyberpunk 2077.

Oh boy, seems that almost everyone already forgot about that

[Pierce Dalton]

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

Originalmente postado por ÁROCK!!!:

i would not say they don't care about money, but they are definitely not a greedy corp like STEAM/Valve.

They do care about money, but unlike Valve, they also care about games and gamers / customer

They showed a lot of care with the deception of Cyberpunk 2077.

At least the game is in great shape now, unlike other companies that barely fix their ♥♥♥♥. GTA DE comes to mind.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originalmente postado por ShadowShifterMarlith:

Originalmente postado por fluxtorrent:

you know what else it doesn't have? 90% of the games I want to play

Well that is a bummer.

It's so popular yet you're here? How contradictory to its supposed greatness.

My Game Library is hidden, so you can't see it on Mauglith's Account.
At least I think it is.

I stopped spending a while ago. I am only doing a trial version of GOG,
I haven't fully switched over. I only just got GOG? I'm not switching just like that.

GOG should work with Windows 7, since you don't
even need the Client at all to run GOG.

Did people forget about that?

In the future at some point if people stop managing, or unable to get things needed to access sites online on 3rd party browsers for Windows 7, you're gonna be stuck at the point where can't connect to the sites you want. And for client you just have to hope they don't update it in the future, which they might will do so, or just cancel it because they don't seem to care for it for past couple years, and if they cancel it, then client useless, might as well use playnite instead as that a better library manager anyways.

Originalmente postado por Xhoas:

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

They showed a lot of care with the deception of Cyberpunk 2077.

Oh boy, seems that almost everyone already forgot about that :HEALTHFUL:

Shhh, don't want to cause flashback of disappointments in the game, especially on the PS4 lol.

Or the time when Gog did supported a DRM game, but got backlash for it.
https://screenrant.com/hitman-game-year-edition-removed-gog-drm-requirements/

[Start_Running]

It seems their commitment to no-Drm only extends to their own storefront which has no DRM capabilities. But when they put their game on platforms that do offer that option.. like Steam. Oh boy do they love them some DRM.

I'm not even against GoG they have hjust lost relevance as a store for me. THey don't have the games that interest me and even when they do have the games I'm almost always better off grabbing it on STeam just for conveneince.

If they focused more on getting the good old games like they used to they'd probably be doing better.

[Tito Shivan]

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

They mean the games. You don't need the launcher to run games.

For now.

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Erm, yes. GOG would have abandoned the no drm thing long ago to profit more

It hasn't been that long that GOG has enough critical mass of users as to consider growing out of their shell.

And in a certain way they already are dropping it. There's apready a number of games sold there with 'Soft-DRM' (Online requisite for features, account tied games, Galaxy tied features). They even entertained the idea of selling Epic keys, despite their policy of not selling third party (steam) keys.

Of course they're not going to drop it all in one night. The trick is for how long they plan to boil the frogs. Even their commercial brand stopped being 'Good Old Games' for 'GOG'.

They can only grow embracing the sales of DRM titles and they know it.

[Pierce Dalton]

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Sure, you can install the games on any PC you want but they "contain various forms of DRM".

It's a miracle, praise the Lord!

Yep, you can read up on it here, there is an 82 page thread going on it with people complaining
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1

Thanks, as you can see even people on that thread disagree with you:

"Robette / Posted November 24, 2020

Well, I think there are various games which have some online feature for offering daily/weekly challenges, but claiming anything you can't access purely offline is some sort of DRM seems like quite a stretch to me."

As you know, DRM was introduced to videogames to combat piracy, to prevent people from sharing their games. You can learn more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

In short, DRM is the management of legal access to digital content. Funnily enough, though, you can purchase all games from that list, copy their installers to an external drive, and install the games on how many PC's you want. Great DRM, huh?

Some games (even single player games) may have features that require an Internet connection, which can be a nuisance for some people, but that's no DRM even if you must be online to play a game. After all, the game can still be shared indefinitely.

[Pierce Dalton]

They can only grow embracing the sales of DRM titles and they know it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying a few posts ago. For example, you can't find a single RE or NFS game on GOG. How much money they lost with their stubbornness?

Evidently, money is not a priority for them. They could profit a lot more by bending their knee and selling various popular games.

[Start_Running]

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

Yep, you can read up on it here, there is an 82 page thread going on it with people complaining
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1

Thanks, as you can see even people on that thread disagree with you:

"Robette / Posted November 24, 2020

Well, I think there are various games which have some online feature for offering daily/weekly challenges, but claiming anything you can't access purely offline is some sort of DRM seems like quite a stretch to me."

As you know, DRM was introduced to videogames to combat piracy, to prevent people from sharing their games. You can learn more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

In short, DRM is the management of legal access to digital content. Funnily enough, though, you can purchase all games from that list, copy their installers to an external drive, and install the games on how many PC's you want. Great DRM, huh? :WH3_greasus_rofl:

You can do that with Steam as well..
The key question is "Where does the restriction kick in?"

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Some games (even single player games) may have features that require an Internet connection, which can be a nuisance for some people, but that's no DRM even if you must be online to play a game. After all, the game can still be shared indefinitely.

If it functions as a tool that restricts the usage of the software then it is functionally a DRM.
if it walks like a duck, lookcs, like a duck, etc

[AROCK!!!]

Originalmente postado por Xhoas:

Originalmente postado por SlowMango:

They showed a lot of care with the deception of Cyberpunk 2077.

Oh boy, seems that almost everyone already forgot about that :HEALTHFUL:

Not forgotten, CP2077 is the exception, not the rule

Originalmente postado por Tito Shivan:

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

They mean the games. You don't need the launcher to run games.

For now.

Lol, that's the same baseless "argument" you used when people pointed out the used console game market...Well, I guess when you have nothing of substance to counter with you have to improvise

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

lol just did another task manager and resource monitor scan

steam is using 600 mb ram whilst bluestacks is using 3.4gb of ram

[IfYouValuePotential,PlayLikeIt!]

And now get this: Steam is banning games with AI, just before mine launches and I've been bragging that it has AI, my goal is to have everything alive, so you'll end up considering your surroundings one way or another. lololol But you won't be allowed to know the potential of Living Games until you can pay into and actually WITHDRAW From as well! SAO tried to do it before they killed the series.... Halladay did do it and his plan and endgoal went off without a hitch, which is my goal! Yes, give me my Wade Watts, give me my Kirito, try meh! I can't let The Players down because I Am One Of You! Gaming is why I'm still alive and not rotting in a jail or their grave.... This world will get a VR Game to next-level itself, but what about a game that max-levels your Skills? That is also Free with Donations and an Easter Egg connected to the Donations, but has AI, so Steam will hate me as much as love me or they can eat me because we will make it, with or without your scams!... Halladay will rue the day he electrified my goals! >;3

[Pierce Dalton]

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Thanks, as you can see even people on that thread disagree with you:

"Robette / Posted November 24, 2020

Well, I think there are various games which have some online feature for offering daily/weekly challenges, but claiming anything you can't access purely offline is some sort of DRM seems like quite a stretch to me."

As you know, DRM was introduced to videogames to combat piracy, to prevent people from sharing their games. You can learn more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

In short, DRM is the management of legal access to digital content. Funnily enough, though, you can purchase all games from that list, copy their installers to an external drive, and install the games on how many PC's you want. Great DRM, huh?

You can do that with Steam as well..
The key question is "Where does the restriction kick in?"

Originalmente postado por Pierce Dalton:

Some games (even single player games) may have features that require an Internet connection, which can be a nuisance for some people, but that's no DRM even if you must be online to play a game. After all, the game can still be shared indefinitely.

If it functions as a tool that restricts the usage of the software then it is functionally a DRM.
if it walks like a duck, lookcs, like a duck, etc

Of course you can do that on Steam as well, if you're logged in