In 5 years, i dont know if modding games will even be a thing anymore...

[Randy Lahey]

Outside of having to pay modders for limited access to paypalled mods through patreon, which is the biggest threat to free mods that ive seen in my 38 years of gaming. Modding games can be a lot of work, and modders should have an option for people to donate to them if they like there work, no question. But lately, and especially for sim like games (Assetto Corsa, ETS2, ATS, Skyrim Armor, GTA V, Sims 4) it has become increasingly common for modders to put their mods on there, paywall it without any free option, and leave it like that permanently (using assets to make money from major developers/publishers without permission i might add.

And for people who say, EA, Ubisoft etc have been doing it for years, why cant modders get paid for their work? Well, if it was the same i could maybe agree if it was very high quality, constantly updated, and most importantly, a one off payment like EVERY single DLC on steam is, you pay for the dlc, skin, cosmetic and its yours forever. On patreon these vermin dont just want you to pay for the mod once, they want you to pay for the mod over and over again per month and if you dont, the mod will be incompatible for the latest release of the game.

Here is a few examples im refering to

American Truck Simulator

https://www.patreon.com/voith

Euro Truck Simulator 2

{LINK REMOVED}https://mxtrucker.gumroad.com/membership

https://www.facebook.com/DamianSVW/

GTA V

https://www.patreon.com/BaggedCustoms

Skyrim

https://www.patreon.com/Harry2135

I know everyone wont agree with me, and thats ok. Maybe they say im jumping the gun or being melodramatic, thats fine. But considering that people like these are already making a living doing this shady paywall crap, i can see where modding could be in 5 years time. Where the only free mods are reshade presets and everything else you need to not only pay for, but pay $10-20 per month for each mod you are subscribed to. People fought back against bethesda when they tried this with paywalled mods on the workshop years ago, now the community seems to either be apathetic towards it, or think its perfectly fine to do it. A shame since modding is the biggest thing has over consoles. Patreon is the worst thing to ever happen to the modding scene, not what bethesda tried to do with skyrim.

[SLG]

Exactly this have been around for a very long time. I remember seeing some even before Steam was around. This will not stop modding community from creating mods that are free. Also if you really think about it, just one person can purchase a mod then share it with his/hers friends.

[Mr. Smiles]

At least we know that Bethesda will think twice before trying to monetize mods like they did with the original creation club in the future...

No one will ever forget the backlash from that decision.

#freetheworkshop

[Chompman]

If you believe someone is doing this report them to the game owners as more often then not locking them behind a paywall like that is not allowed.

[MonkehMaster]

report, ignore and go to nexusmods.

problem solved.

[peppermint hollows]

People have actually been doing this for quite some time with simulator games as far as I know...it's quite popular there, and some people even pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars for custom or specific mods. I think that's quite common in flight sims. It isn't nearly as mainstream with Bethesda games or others. And personally I don't really see it ever becoming that popular.

[Sekhmet]

This is a weird issue to me. Sounds like you want to have these mods but you don't want or can't pay for it. And now you're p*ssed.

You aren't mad that there are modders but you are mad that you can't use their work for free. This is a very bad mindset.

Sorry, but modders took their time to create sth new and have the right to ask for money. If you don't like it then move on and play without those mods.

[davidb11]

THere is no law that states modders can't ask for patreon donations to support them.
So, I'm not sure what this thread is even about.

[Start_Running]

IIt will be.
Many devs like modders and the idea of modding and historically lets be frank..
[Goldblum] Modders...uh...find a way[/goldblum]

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

report, ignore and go to nexusmods.

problem solved.

Or a site that doesn't require an account for most things, like ModDB.

[davidb11]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

report, ignore and go to nexusmods.

problem solved.

Or a site that doesn't require an account for most things, like ModDB.

My main complaint with Nexus isn't the account I signed up for all those years ago, it's the password being now like 16 characters minimum.

[Crazy Tiger]

I doubt it will kill modding. I also find it not an issue that modders charge for their mods, as long as they keep them updated. They don't have to do it for free.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

I doubt it will kill modding. I also find it not an issue that modders charge for their mods, as long as they keep them updated. They don't have to do it for free.

BLASPHEMY!
Modders must toil and slave for possible thanks and adoration of the public and m,aybe the occasional coin tossed their way.

[xBCxRangers]

Well, as someone who plays those games on GFN (ATS and Arma 3) , i can only get the Mods from the Workshop, being Ge Force Now only allows Mods from the Workshop. And Arma 3 i haven't seen any issues of folks gouging me for money. And i have some great mods.

ATS is a bit different, and likely problematic, being i was made to be under the assumption that the forums and developer, are totally separated from the Worskhop.

And it's gotten to the point, half those Mods they're putting up, are contingent on paid mods you may get from their own personal sites, or other venues.

If you get banned like i did, you do no have access to reaching out to those Modders at the Workshop. Which tells me, the developers either advertantly or inadvertanty, in cahoots with the modders.

Advertantly, meaning they can be getting a cut. Inadvertantly, the Modders ar making money on a product they do not own. I've seen GTA sue modders as an example.

And so, it's probably a good idea, to keep additions to "paid" mods, out of the Workshop, being inadvertantly, whatever may happen, can be laid at the developers or Steams doorstep, np matter how much they want to distance themselves.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Profiteers will profit but there will always be artists modding for free and/or for fun.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by xBCxRangers:

Well, as someone who plays those games on GFN (ATS and Arma 3) , i can only get the Mods from the Workshop, being Ge Force Now only allows Mods from the Workshop. And Arma 3 i haven't seen any issues of folks gouging me for money. And i have some great mods.

ATS is a bit different, and likely problematic, being i was made to be under the assumption that the forums and developer, are totally separated from the Worskhop.

And it's gotten to the point, half those Mods they're putting up, are contingent on paid mods you may get from their own personal sites, or other venues.

If you get banned like i did, you do no have access to reaching out to those Modders at the Workshop. Which tells me, the developers either advertantly or inadvertanty, in cahoots with the modders.

Advertantly, meaning they can be getting a cut. Inadvertantly, the Modders ar making money on a product they do not own. I've seen GTA sue modders as an example.

And so, it's probably a good idea, to keep additions to "paid" mods, out of the Workshop, being inadvertantly, whatever may happen, can be laid at the developers or Steams doorstep, np matter how much they want to distance themselves.

Oh, this is a new conspiracy.