Switch to GoG - Good Old Games.

[Iron Knights]

Sure, they don't have every latest release for sale, but there is no launcher requirement. You buy the games and you OWN the games, not a Lease contract. You don't have to use the Galaxy launcher and you don't have to install from it. You can download installation files from the website server with just your login. They provide you with a shortcut file in the directory to send straight to desktop and you have a link to the executable, no Galaxy. You can find games re-composed to work on Windows XP & higher all the way back from the DOS days. Plus they now have a partnership with CD Projekt Red (Witcher Series & Cyberpunk 2077). But what's great about it, you put games on the wish list and you get a discount in 2-3 weeks. Much lower prices than Steam.

[Dura_Ace]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

Eagle_of_Fire の投稿を引用：

Main problem with GoG is that you need a valid credit card which can be billed oversea. If it wasn't for this problem I would have bought way more games from them.

Acquiring a pre-paid card just don't work outside of NA for this purpose.

I wasn't aware of that, but my CC bill shows G.o.G. Entertainment, that's it, no hint for international billing. Might work with a debit card but you shouldn't leave that on file either.
The "SouthWes..." Airline scam got my number somewhere also, I am wary of security issues.

It does work with a debit card. I use on on GOG

[Pierce Dalton]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Mate, it is what it is, if people refuse to use other platforms and have to whine everytime a game is not on Steam, they're fanboys of it.

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Mate, it is what it is, if people refuse to use other platforms and have to whine everytime a game is not on Steam, they're fanboys of it.

Then you are just as much one as anyone else.

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Nah, I don't have to pay it monthly, yearly or whatever.

Yah. It's not called the Steam Subscriber Agreement for nothing.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

You're not making any sense, mate. I am as much as anyone else? Interesting, because I don't give a damn if a game is on Steam, EGS, GOG or whatever. You know, just like when I didn't give a damn if I had to buy a physical game from store A, B, C, D, E... that changes nothing to me, because I'll play the same game, zero difference.

As for the subscription thing, by creating your Steam account you are subscribing to an agreement, indeed. Not a service. Otherwise they would charge you monthly.

[Dura_Ace]

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Then you are just as much one as anyone else.


Yah. It's not called the Steam Subscriber Agreement for nothing.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

You're not making any sense, mate. I am as much as anyone else? Interesting, because I don't give a damn if a game is on Steam, EGS, GOG or whatever. You know, just like when I didn't give a damn if I had to buy a physical game from store A, B, C, D, E... that changes nothing to me, because I'll play the same game, zero difference.

As for the subscription thing, by creating your Steam account you are subscribing to an agreement, indeed. Not a service. Otherwise they would charge you monthly.

With steam you are renting games and they can yank those games from under you at any second for any trivial reason they want. This is one of the reasons i have for years now stopped buying anything that i am too attached to on steam. I only buy for one game now, DCS and they have their own stand alone exe.

For the same reasons i wont buy any movies from amazon. They require that you use their own app and any downloaded movies that you bought and OWN have a shelf life of 30 days on their app before you have to redownload the same damn movie again. I keep getting dowload errors now after a movie i bought on their platform refuses to redownload onto their app so i can watch it again. So in essence i am locked out of a purchase. I wont give amazon a damn penny for movies.

Music on amazon is different. You can dowload the songs, albums and keep them. Not movies


It is a scam. I wont pay for content that has a shelf life of 30 days. Others are stupid enough to do so. Not me

[Paratech2008]

Eagle_of_Fire の投稿を引用：

Main problem with GoG is that you need a valid credit card which can be billed oversea. If it wasn't for this problem I would have bought way more games from them.

Acquiring a pre-paid card just don't work outside of NA for this purpose.

A debit card from a checking account works.

[Pierce Dalton]

Dura_Ace の投稿を引用：

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

You're not making any sense, mate. I am as much as anyone else? Interesting, because I don't give a damn if a game is on Steam, EGS, GOG or whatever. You know, just like when I didn't give a damn if I had to buy a physical game from store A, B, C, D, E... that changes nothing to me, because I'll play the same game, zero difference.

As for the subscription thing, by creating your Steam account you are subscribing to an agreement, indeed. Not a service. Otherwise they would charge you monthly.

With steam you are renting games and they can yank those games from under you at any second for any trivial reason they want. This is one of the reasons i have for years now stopped buying anything that i am too attached to on steam. I only buy for one game now, DCS and they have their own stand alone exe.

For the same reasons i wont buy any movies from amazon. They require that you use their own app and any downloaded movies that you bought and OWN have a shelf life of 30 days on their app before you have to redownload the same damn movie again. I keep getting dowload errors now after a movie i bought on their platform refuses to redownload onto their app so i can watch it again. So in essence i am locked out of a purchase. I wont give amazon a damn penny for movies.

Music on amazon is different. You can dowload the songs, albums and keep them. Not movies


It is a scam. I wont pay for content that has a shelf life of 30 days. Others are stupid enough to do so. Not me

I totally see your point, we do not own anything here but our account. What I was saying is that Steam is not a subscription service, you purchase licenses to play games through Steam.

Honestly, I do believe that Steam will outlive us all, and if ♥♥♥♥ happens in a distant future, with such a huge userbase they would be forced to provide offline installers before shutting down Steam.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Then you are just as much one as anyone else.


Yah. It's not called the Steam Subscriber Agreement for nothing.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

You're not making any sense, mate. I am as much as anyone else? Interesting, because I don't give a damn if a game is on Steam, EGS, GOG or whatever. You know, just like when I didn't give a damn if I had to buy a physical game from store A, B, C, D, E... that changes nothing to me, because I'll play the same game, zero difference.

As for the subscription thing, by creating your Steam account you are subscribing to an agreement, indeed. Not a service. Otherwise they would charge you monthly.

You're as much of a fanboy as anyone else. If you really stood by the convictions that you post here, you'd play RE3 on a console. But as you just stated why would you play it on a console when it's on PC?

You're not subscribing to that agreement. You need to actually read what's in that link because even Valve calls Steam a subscription service.


It's not a rental service.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

It's also pretty sad that this is just another Windows 7 thread.

[Pierce Dalton]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

You're not making any sense, mate. I am as much as anyone else? Interesting, because I don't give a damn if a game is on Steam, EGS, GOG or whatever. You know, just like when I didn't give a damn if I had to buy a physical game from store A, B, C, D, E... that changes nothing to me, because I'll play the same game, zero difference.

As for the subscription thing, by creating your Steam account you are subscribing to an agreement, indeed. Not a service. Otherwise they would charge you monthly.

You're as much of a fanboy as anyone else. If you really stood by the convictions that you post here, you'd play RE3 on a console. But as you just stated why would you play it on a console when it's on PC?

You're not subscribing to that agreement. You need to actually read what's in that link because even Valve calls Steam a subscription service.


It's not a rental service.

Oh, jeez... you can't be serious. What kind of person would buy a console just to play a game that is available on PC? Please do answer that, Sir.

Also, my convictions? What convictions are these? You sound like you know more about me than myself.

Last but not least, if you create an account on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/whatever online platform you're also subscribing to an agreement, evidently you're not getting the gist of it.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

You're as much of a fanboy as anyone else. If you really stood by the convictions that you post here, you'd play RE3 on a console. But as you just stated why would you play it on a console when it's on PC?

You're not subscribing to that agreement. You need to actually read what's in that link because even Valve calls Steam a subscription service.


It's not a rental service.

Oh, jeez... you can't be serious. What kind of person would buy a console just to play a game that is available on PC? Please do answer that, Sir.

Also, my convictions? What convictions are these? You sound like you know more about me than myself.

Last but not least, if you create an account on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/whatever online platform you're also subscribing to an agreement, evidently you're not getting the gist of it.

You jump into nearly every thread and bash Steam or Valve or both. Yet, you are happy to use this platform.

It's like someone ordering a burger and saying I hate onions, yet turns around and says, give me double onions please.

You're not the first to do this on the forums and it gets old. I don't know if people just like jumping on the bandwagon or what but...

Hell it was your first reply in this thread what you might as well delete because you don't own anything on GOG either.

[Pierce Dalton]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Pierce Dalton の投稿を引用：

Oh, jeez... you can't be serious. What kind of person would buy a console just to play a game that is available on PC? Please do answer that, Sir.

Also, my convictions? What convictions are these? You sound like you know more about me than myself.

Last but not least, if you create an account on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/whatever online platform you're also subscribing to an agreement, evidently you're not getting the gist of it.

You jump into nearly every thread and bash Steam or Valve or both. Yet, you are happy to use this platform.

It's like someone ordering a burger and saying I hate onions, yet turns around and says, give me double onions please.

You're not the first to do this on the forums and it gets old. I don't know if people just like jumping on the bandwagon or what but...

Hell it was your first reply in this thread what you might as well delete because you don't own anything on GOG either.

I love onions! And I can't buy these "onions" anywhere else, I guess your memory is really short.

You may not admit that, but you know that if GOG dies tomorrow I can still play the games that I've purchased there, but sure, I don't own anything there. Heck, I guess I don't even need to, that's good enough for me.

[Tito Shivan]

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

Oh, but I do own the games. I have the installation files with any and all updates. I can run it independent of a launcher, COMPLETELY. I can install them & run them on any PC, WITHOUT A LAUNCHER and WITHOUT PERMISSION from a Launcher Corpo. to do so.

And the most people use that as a loophole for ignoring the licensing terms, the more developers will switch to DRM and away from GOG.

Gamers reap what they sow.

Not even opening the can of worms of GOG itself steering away of the 'DRM-Free' philosophy in order to grow and gain market share. As of today they already sell many games with 'soft DRM' in their store.

[Azure Fang]

Tito Shivan の投稿を引用：

Iron Knights の投稿を引用：

Oh, but I do own the games. I have the installation files with any and all updates. I can run it independent of a launcher, COMPLETELY. I can install them & run them on any PC, WITHOUT A LAUNCHER and WITHOUT PERMISSION from a Launcher Corpo. to do so.

And the most people use that as a loophole for ignoring the licensing terms, the more developers will switch to DRM and away from GOG.

Gamers reap what they sow.

Not even opening the can of worms of GOG itself steering away of the 'DRM-Free' philosophy in order to grow and gain market share. As of today they already sell many games with 'soft DRM' in their store.

Not to mention the ever-strengthening push to get people to move to Galaxy (which constitutes soft-DRM in the same fashion as Steam's launcher) by "forgetting" that offline installers are a thing and failing to update them for years yet providing updates to Galaxy installs the moment they arrive and directing users to "install Galaxy while we sort this out". Or the simple fact that account-based/account-locked purchases are a direct form of DRM that denialists have happily shoved their collective heads in the sand over for Steam, Desura (formerly) and GOG for years. Or that they've begun migrating games to GOG's netcode, so games with online features may not function installed from the offline installers (as warned on the download page for every installer).

Those offline installers will definitely work past the lifetime of GOG... until underlying data architecture changes (good luck getting a 16-bit installer to work today, can't wait for the 32-bit apocalypse), or Microsoft makes good on the threat to lock "sideloading", or GOG goes under and you lose your backups and can't download them again because the DRM that was your centralized account no longer exists.

GOG isn't the golden god, the savior of the consumer, that people keep making them out to be. But building a cult of personality really works.

EDIT: Thanks for the points. I still need levels of the seasonal badge. Whoever came up with "give people awards as an 'insult'" was a world-class troll.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

It is easy to run 16 bits even today?

[Tito Shivan]

Azure Fang の投稿を引用：

GOG isn't the golden god, the savior of the consumer, that people keep making them out to be. But building a cult of personality really works.

For many GOG is simply the greener grass at the other side of the fence.

[RANGER]

No one cares, I love Steam and I will stay forever on Steam.