its doomsday for gamin Windows 10 is ending in OCT 2025 what are your plans ?

[DragonPlus7]

so what are your plans? are you sticking to 10 or moving to 11. I heard alot of bad things about 11 many bugs, ive seen a pc just wipe the desktop then i had to restore.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

ragefifty50 の投稿を引用：

Eagle_of_Fire の投稿を引用：

I can easily describe my relation with Windows 10 as a battle of all instants trying to prick the lack of control back into my own hands.

I guess you can call me a power user. Which is exactly the kind of user who canonically like Linux. Windows 10 just pushed me so far I'm actually seriously considering it.

you dont sound like a power user.... do you run servers and stuff for big companies...

you have said nothing as to what is the problem you have...

and why dont i have those problems...

maybe i am the power user...

i dont feel weakened or out of control by using windows 11...

Why would a "power user" need to use servers? What kind of logic is that even? O_o

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Eagle_of_Fire の投稿を引用：

ragefifty50 の投稿を引用：

you dont sound like a power user.... do you run servers and stuff for big companies...

you have said nothing as to what is the problem you have...

and why dont i have those problems...

maybe i am the power user...

i dont feel weakened or out of control by using windows 11...

Why would a "power user" need to use servers? What kind of logic is that even? O_o

and stuff for big companies. .

i googles.... is this you...
A power user is a user of computers, software and other electronic devices, who uses advanced features of computer hardware, operating systems, programs, or websites which are not used by the average user.

[Komarimaru]

Keep in mind, yes if you're a power user, you know the tricks and features to control windows 10 and 11, but most users have no idea wtf their doing.

Admittedly it does also require at least the pro version to take full control.

[Bee🐝]

Wai の投稿を引用：

(Tongue in cheek) :lunar2020thinkingtiger: Bring back DOS I knew where I was with that one! :happystar2022:

Dos is for modern peasants!

QDos is the only real OS!

[AtheistChris]

They are already making a successor to Win 11 with Windows 12, and Win 12 will probably a big success again
Aside from that, people were saying the same things about XP and 7 when support ended
and we're still here
Important NOTE
XP was successful
Vista was a failure (I had it wasn't that bad)
Win 7 was successful
Win 8 was a failure
Win 10 is successful
Win 11 will probably be a Failure again (I have it, it's not that bad)

the point of every 2nd windows fails since windows me

and we are still getting a windows who the most people like

[Lystent]

I tried win 11 on a sacrificial computer, and was not impressed in the short test run. Surly the games worked and such, but the UI has eaten the hacksaw. They chopped off some customizations, particularly around the taskbar and the start menu got the brunt. I also had to uninstall plenty of garbage apps, but some are protected (looking at you, cortana). And what is little short of holding my computer ransom for a MS account wasn't a great first impression either.

As far as bugs go, the taskbar has a doozy. It is simply obstructed by windows. So even a auto hiding taskbar requires some work to access. I notice any more in the short time.

Personally, I judge OSs on criteria that include versatility and reliability, both of which MS has been dumping,

[Cray]

lol. false choice question, I'm not going with either.

Not updating to any windows, sticking to Linux from now on (recently moved gaming rig over to Linux, quite happy with it).

10 jumped the shark, so I didn't bother with it. Stuck with 7 on the gaming rig until I switched it to Linux.

Security updates? Don't care. Run an application firewall, turn off all the networked services, keep the browser updated, and the security concerns for a normal user are mostly in the domain of "don't install random crap, use vetted programs, careful where you browse". That's a concern no matter how up to date the OS Is.

If it turns out I need windows for anything I'll maybe give it a PCI passthrough VM to fire up on occasion. Sure as hell not paying a license fee.

It's smug, but I'm a little amused when people talk about the next windows and ask "are you picking A, or B?" as if those are the only choices. Or buy into microsoft's marketing hype or memes about updates and security. If it's getting serious flaws patched every month, is there really any point at which it is actually secure, at all?

It's a fairly easy "just works, mostly" for a lot of things, but as an OS to run on your own hardware I find windows a complete joke. Pay people money to get your data? lol. google are giant asshats too, but at least they have the near-decency to not ask money in return for everything they hoover up from you.

ms, however, wants to have their cake and eat it too, but also you should provide them with a cake for their services additionally as well too also.

And then I stop for a moment to remember the sheer amount of crap microsoft has done, the choice is pretty easy.

"Frack windows!" [found grafittied on the walls of the starship Battlestar Galactica]

The days when windows was a necessity are ending.

[ReBoot]

It's the literally same thing a new major Windows version comes along. The new thing is always bad by default. Every. Single. Time. Only for that thing to be the good one couple years later.

[Cray]

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

It's the literally same thing a new major Windows version comes along. The new thing is always bad by default. Every. Single. Time. Only for that thing to be the good one couple years later.

Nope :D

Win95 was universally hated for its instability. Nobody was happy with it when it was current, nobody missed it when it was gone.

Win98SE was quite ok. Issues had been sorted out.

Win ME was crap and nobody liked it. Nobody talked fondly of it in the years following.

Windows XP was all in all quite good.

Windows Vista was crap and everyone hated it. Nobody speaks fondly of it or ever has.

Windows 7 was pretty solid.

Windows 8 was a flop. While not vista level awful, it was loved by nobody, and there's none around who'll tell you about the good old days of win8.

Win 10, well.. I have my misgivings, but at least people found it worked for them.

Win 11 - we'll see.

It's not a case of rose tinted retrospective glasses. They've made plenty of crap nobody liked, now, then, or ever. And looking at microsoft's portfolio of failed big projects and flops, skepticism by default makes perfect sense.

ps: If the new thing is always bad by default, then is seen as good later, perhaps it's matter of constantly seeing things relatively / in comparison, because it keeps getting worse 😁

[ReBoot]

Dude, when 7 was new, XP was literal perfection and 7 got bashed. Same when 10 came out, 7 was perfection despite having been bashed when new. XP, on the other hand, was bashed when it was new with 98(SE)being perfection.

Its always the new that gets bashed. It is amusing to watch when people chose blinders over the bigger picture.

[Cray]

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

Dude, when 7 was new, XP was literal perfection and 7 got bashed. Same when 10 came out, 7 was perfection despite having been bashed when new. XP, on the other hand, was bashed when it was new with 98(SE)being perfection.

Its always the new that gets bashed.

Doesn't negate the case history I just listed. The new thing is often bad, and the previous thing is often not loved contemporarily or retrospectively 😎

[ReBoot]

Cray の投稿を引用：

ReBoot の投稿を引用：

Dude, when 7 was new, XP was literal perfection and 7 got bashed. Same when 10 came out, 7 was perfection despite having been bashed when new. XP, on the other hand, was bashed when it was new with 98(SE)being perfection.

Its always the new that gets bashed.

Doesn't negate the case history I just listed. The new thing is often bad, and the previous thing is often not loved contemporarily or retrospectively 😎

I'm not negating anything, I'm merely filtering out the "every other version=bad" pattern, focusing on those which are said to be good. I'm acknowleding your point by concentrating on those versions you said to be good.

So according to you, 98SE, XP and 7 were good AND THOSE ARE EXACTLY THOSE I'M TALKING ABOUT!

So sticking with the pattern that you established (I'm not negating it, I'm building on it), I've personally seen the support end of XP, I've personally seen the support end of 7. Always the same drama. Always people blissfully forgetting how things have been a couple years ago (and will be a couple years later down the line).

[SLG]

I can not upgrade my computer since I am missing 2 requirements for Windows 11. It was a 8.1, but I upgraded to 10.

[Crashed]

Lystent の投稿を引用：

I tried win 11 on a sacrificial computer, and was not impressed in the short test run. Surly the games worked and such, but the UI has eaten the hacksaw. They chopped off some customizations, particularly around the taskbar and the start menu got the brunt. I also had to uninstall plenty of garbage apps, but some are protected (looking at you, cortana). And what is little short of holding my computer ransom for a MS account wasn't a great first impression either.

As far as bugs go, the taskbar has a doozy. It is simply obstructed by windows. So even a auto hiding taskbar requires some work to access. I notice any more in the short time.

Personally, I judge OSs on criteria that include versatility and reliability, both of which MS has been dumping,

If rumors are true, the latest Canary build may be adding back some Taskbar options. Of particular interest to me is the re-adding of the taskbar labels and combine options.

[Crashed]

SLGray の投稿を引用：

I can not upgrade my computer since I am missing 2 requirements for Windows 11. It was a 8.1, but I upgraded to 10.

If you have a new enough processor you may have an option in the BIOS called fTPM or Intel Platform Trust Technology (PTT). This will add the TPM.
For the processor family, go to registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup (create if missing) and add a value AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU that is a REG_DWORD of 1.

If you are booting via MBR, follow these instructions then try again - https://www.windowscentral.com/how-convert-mbr-disk-gpt-move-bios-uefi-windows-10
This will also make any TPM 2.0 device properly functional, as TPM 2.0 only works on UEFI and not legacy/CSM boot.

If you legitimately don't have a TPM, look into Rufus - https://rufus.ie/en/ - which will create a USB stick from a Windows 11 ISO that bypasses the system requirements checks.