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why steam is still operating in russia?
why steam is still operating in russia?
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Автор сообщения: foreleon
Автор сообщения: Hobbit XIII
Oh come on a proper troll can do better than that surely?
We see all this Western nonsense about Russia. This is a stupid disgusting lie. You're a troll. Russia is strong and rich. There is a proxy war going on between the West and Russia. If Russia wants to destroy Ukraine, it will already be in ruins. But there is no point in Russia destroying its own cities. Russia cannot occupy its lands, Russia liberates them from Nazi scum. My relative goes to Crimea on vacation every year, and the people there are happy. NATO is just a bunch of aggressive cowards and terrorists. All they can do is bomb civilians, like in Yugoslavia.

And this so-called opposition is a bunch of traitors trying to destroy the country from within. They are despised by everyone and there is no point in killing them, because no one will vote for this pro-Western crap. I personally saw how people went to the polls and voted for Putin. He raised the country from ruins, he is a wonderful leader who loves Russia and its people.


Well that certainly informed me. Thank you Comrade I will endeavour to ensure my mind is too small for doubt from now on.
Steam are scammers, and they will block you as soon as you point it out. So if anything, you should be happy that they are scamming in Russia with half-baked software that also collects data. Look on the bright side, they are siphoning money from kids but said money could potentially be used for war.
Автор сообщения: IᗰᗰOᖇTᗩᒪ
Steam are scammers, and they will block you as soon as you point it out. So if anything, you should be happy that they are scamming in Russia with half-baked software that also collects data. Look on the bright side, they are siphoning money from kids but said money could potentially be used for war.


What are you even talking about?
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers
Автор сообщения: SlowMango


They are all in line with current sanctions. Do you honestly think multiple governments wouldn't be all over them if they weren't?

Well that's the point, they're not. How is Snowrunner and Mudrunner as an example still being sold? I'm a big fan of those games btw, but they're Russians apparently. And what about this?

https://www.ign.com/articles/reporters-are-using-counter-strike-to-deliver-ukraine-war-news-to-russians

If Russians are using CSGO and the servers thereof, then Steam is doing business with Russia.

Apparently, western media is using those servers to promulgate propaganda to Russian players. But the same can likely be said, of that of Russia is doing to western players.

The overall question, is how that's allowed to happen in the first place given the circumstances.


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

Well that's the point, they're not. How is Snowrunner and Mudrunner as an example still being sold? I'm a big fan of those games btw, but they're Russians apparently. And what about this?

https://www.ign.com/articles/reporters-are-using-counter-strike-to-deliver-ukraine-war-news-to-russians

If Russians are using CSGO and the servers thereof, then Steam is doing business with Russia.

Apparently, western media is using those servers to promulgate propaganda to Russian players. But the same can likely be said, of that of Russia is doing to western players.

The overall question, is how that's allowed to happen in the first place given the circumstances.


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

"There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil. [/quote]

Well then that's a misconception as to what we're being told. We were told we had air tight sanctions, and on businesses who do business with Russia. That is obviously untrue. As it is obviously untrue of the games being sold, and the servers of the said games thereof.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

Well that's the point, they're not. How is Snowrunner and Mudrunner as an example still being sold? I'm a big fan of those games btw, but they're Russians apparently. And what about this?

https://www.ign.com/articles/reporters-are-using-counter-strike-to-deliver-ukraine-war-news-to-russians

If Russians are using CSGO and the servers thereof, then Steam is doing business with Russia.

Apparently, western media is using those servers to promulgate propaganda to Russian players. But the same can likely be said, of that of Russia is doing to western players.

The overall question, is how that's allowed to happen in the first place given the circumstances.


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

He also conveniently left out the part where Valve blocked the map in Russia

https://ain.capital/2023/06/01/valve-blocks-csgo-map-that-displays-russian-invasion/
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers
Автор сообщения: SlowMango


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

"There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

Well then that's a misconception as to what we're being told. We were told we had air tight sanctions, and on businesses who do business with Russia. That is obviously untrue. As it is obviously untrue of the games being sold, and the servers of the said games thereof. [/quote]


The biggest sanction in banking. Which is still in effect.

Russian users can only use Steam Wallet funds to buy games. PayPal has blocked business in Russia along with the only banking institution that was available for purchasing through Steam.

Valve dis not block access to accounts or purchases games for Russian users because it is nonsensical to do so. Even Microsoft, GoG, and Epic only blocked the purchase of new games, not access to the accounts.

Removing access to accounts was never a sanction, just a request from the Ukrainian government.
Автор сообщения: Prof.Jackie
Автор сообщения: SlowMango


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

He also conveniently left out the part where Valve blocked the map in Russia

https://ain.capital/2023/06/01/valve-blocks-csgo-map-that-displays-russian-invasion/

"A Finnish newspaper is using a secret room in a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive map to provide uncensored news reports about the Ukraine war to people in Russia".

Obviously, a Valve game is being used for purposes that are meant to entertain Russian players. Why are Russian players, allowed to buy, use, implement games sold by Steam?

And again, its not just Valve. Russian developers are selling games on Xbox and Sony as well. And so to the extent Mango is right, that is not what we're being told. That's the point.
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers
Автор сообщения: Prof.Jackie

He also conveniently left out the part where Valve blocked the map in Russia

https://ain.capital/2023/06/01/valve-blocks-csgo-map-that-displays-russian-invasion/

"A Finnish newspaper is using a secret room in a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive map to provide uncensored news reports about the Ukraine war to people in Russia".

Obviously, a Valve game is being used for purposes that are meant to entertain Russian players. Why are Russian players, allowed to buy, use, implement games sold by Steam?

And again, its not just Valve. Russian developers are selling games on Xbox and Sony as well. And so to the extent Mango is right, that is not what we're being told. That's the point.


If those developers have banks outside of Russia, then there are no sanctions broken or in place.
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers
Автор сообщения: SlowMango


I can tell you didn't read the article since those servers were user hosted servers, not Steam servers.

Steam, Microsoft, and Sony would not risk the consequences of not following current sanctions. The sanctions that would apply to those is the removal of using the SWIFT banking system, which all the mentioned companies have followed through with.

There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

"There isn't a sanction that completely bans all business in Russia for any company. In fact, most the sanctions are based around physical goods, flights, and oil.

Well then that's a misconception as to what we're being told. We were told we had air tight sanctions, and on businesses who do business with Russia. That is obviously untrue. As it is obviously untrue of the games being sold, and the servers of the said games thereof. [/quote]

There are sanctions but it is not a blanket ban on every business inside and out.
Take Cadburys originally English to my knowledge got bought out a couple of times now owned by a big Indian company and that company is pro doing business with Russia.

Sanctions against specific businesses/people generally are quite tight. These are being added to over time probably so rich people around the world doing business with them can keep their own losses to a minimum.

London had major financial deregulation past ten years so unscrupulous people could wash their money then Russia tries to take Kyiv and the government realises whoops we better put those regulations back on and start making sanctions on certain people.

The planet is going to be controlled by whichever trading block has the most people and the strongest hold of its powerbases so countries like India and China and likely South America eventually will be dominating whats right and wrong across the world.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
Russian users can only use Steam Wallet funds to buy games.
No, we can buy games in several ways, not just using the Steam Wallet.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

"A Finnish newspaper is using a secret room in a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive map to provide uncensored news reports about the Ukraine war to people in Russia".

Obviously, a Valve game is being used for purposes that are meant to entertain Russian players. Why are Russian players, allowed to buy, use, implement games sold by Steam?

And again, its not just Valve. Russian developers are selling games on Xbox and Sony as well. And so to the extent Mango is right, that is not what we're being told. That's the point.


If those developers have banks outside of Russia, then there are no sanctions broken or in place.

Let's take Saber Interactive as an example, the studio that created Mudrunners.
They were founded in Russia, but bought by Embracer so their headquarter is now in New jersey. They even tell you on their homepage that they are an US company.

ABOUT

Saber Interactive is a U.S.-based developer and publisher of video games. Consisting of over 20 studios and more than 2,500 employees worldwide, we are one of the key operative business units of Embracer Group.
https://saber.games/

They even relocated all their remaining offices from Russia and Belarus to Amenia.

No once again Rangers claims are completely untrue.
Автор сообщения: SlowMango
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers

"A Finnish newspaper is using a secret room in a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive map to provide uncensored news reports about the Ukraine war to people in Russia".

Obviously, a Valve game is being used for purposes that are meant to entertain Russian players. Why are Russian players, allowed to buy, use, implement games sold by Steam?

And again, its not just Valve. Russian developers are selling games on Xbox and Sony as well. And so to the extent Mango is right, that is not what we're being told. That's the point.


If those developers have banks outside of Russia, then there are no sanctions broken or in place.

They would be broken, being they're circumventing the sanctions. Anyhow, i think the OP has his answer.
Автор сообщения: Prof.Jackie
Автор сообщения: SlowMango


If those developers have banks outside of Russia, then there are no sanctions broken or in place.

Let's take Saber Interactive as an example, the studio that created Mudrunners.
They were founded in Russia, but bought by Embracer so their headquarter is now in New jersey. They even tell you on their homepage that they are an US company.

ABOUT

Saber Interactive is a U.S.-based developer and publisher of video games. Consisting of over 20 studios and more than 2,500 employees worldwide, we are one of the key operative business units of Embracer Group.
https://saber.games/

They even relocated all their remaining offices from Russia and Belarus to Amenia.

No once again Rangers claims are completely untrue.

"They even relocated all their remaining offices from Russia and Belarus to Amenia"


Saber Armenia
Saber Belarus
Saber Porto
Saber RUSSIA
Saber Spain
Saber Sweden

In fact, on their forums, and Workshop, most users i would say are from Russia, posting, on this site.
Отредактировано xBCxRangers; 14 сен. 2023 г. в 10:20
Автор сообщения: xBCxRangers
In fact, on their forums, and Workshop, most users i would say are from Russia, posting, on this site.

A bunch of uninformed users making wrongful claims doesn't make things true. You should know that by now :profgenki:
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