Scam companies admitted to steam

[Xunzul]

I play game from 1985, im able to recognize when im playing to a game or a scam game like slot machines. Several games flag as free2play are litterally controlled by AI and in some cases lots of players ipotised the same company sell cheats in the black market while in the game they aren't banned, or only some type of cheats are banned. Even games as World of Warship where match a clearly controlled by AI first in the match making and after on the accuracy and damage of each player. Lots ask for proofs, but we're players not detectives, when a big mass of people smell the scam, why steam don't investigate on it? Why players don't count and seems only money count ?

We're here to get entertainment not being scammed, look to all the topics open on PUBG, look how poeple disappear on World of Warship board only cos they saying things about their experience on the game.

Steam is becoming the scammers market? That the way for the future of gaming ? Im very depressed that either steam stop to defend players and genuine gaming, it's very bad, bad bad! Look at the post down of this, even WarThunder, the same of world of tanks ships ecc ecc... all the same slot machines to scam players.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Cos for example i pay to but PUBG, it become free2play after it and cheaters increase, so im in a free2play that i bought here. On world of warship i never spent a single $ and infact i can say, the game is rigged, but forum moderators wasn't agree with me, so start insult, start say i have to learn to play, then ban me, closed the topic e delete some of my writings to hide. If this is justice....

That is unfortunately just how game development works.

There is no guarantee that a game you paid for will always need to be bought for new players. The devs are free to change it to a F2P game and the only choices you really have are not playing anymore or continuing to play.

They still own the game, even if you bought it. They are allowed to change the rules as long as they stay within the agreed upon terms.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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Cos for example i pay to but PUBG, it become free2play after it and cheaters increase, so im in a free2play that i bought here. On world of warship i never spent a single $ and infact i can say, the game is rigged, but forum moderators wasn't agree with me, so start insult, start say i have to learn to play, then ban me, closed the topic e delete some of my writings to hide. If this is justice....

That is unfortunately just how game development works.

There is no guarantee that a game you paid for will always need to be bought for new players. The devs are free to change it to a F2P game and the only choices you really have are not playing anymore or continuing to play.

They still own the game, even if you bought it. They are allowed to change the rules as long as they stay within the agreed upon terms.

Basically this, a grand example is actually Counterside, now I still love the game despite its fully release but its full release changed the game massively, added far more means to get legendary heroes and troops and made the much more expensive, now I have a friend who only recently joined while I have been playing alot longer, her struggle to now keep up or even get close to my current level and rank is a slog, I'm not saying my situation is better but its a good example of how Mango has hit the nail on the head, and noting that alot of things are made harder meaning that ya, my friend has a super legendary hero that I do, but mine surpasses hers due to gear, rank and overall upgrades to abilities most of which has been made harder unless you want to, you know, do the Gacha-booster pack buying.

[Xunzul]

Im not saying they can't do what they want with their game, im said why they have to scam saying it's not a rigged pay2win when all players see it is. I appreciate even the try to explain im a noob that argue with his frustation, but im not a noob neither a new player to any games, im not even super pro but that don't mean i suck then argue with gamedevs, it's not my case.

If you sell bananas you can't call them apples, cos are bananas, there's the scam and that don't justify the "gamedev can do whetever they want with their game" cos the scam is versus players(customers) not versurs their game and steam give protection to them instead of us, it's unacceptable as a company to fake his customers with fake game description.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Xunzul:

Im not saying they can't do what they want with their game, im said why they have to scam saying it's not a rigged pay2win when all players see it is. I appreciate even the try to explain im a noob that argue with his frustation, but im not a noob neither a new player to any games, im not even super pro but that don't mean i suck then argue with gamedevs, it's not my case.

If you sell bananas you can't call them apples, cos are bananas, there's the scam and that don't justify the "gamedev can do whetever they want with their game" cos the scam is versus players(customers) not versurs their game and steam give protection to them instead of us, it's unacceptable as a company to fake his customers with fake game description.

Explain how its not: You still got the game correct? By all accounts then you've not been scammed, what the developers do inside of the game at that point is entirely up to them, you have the game, you got what you paid for, it does not matter if they change something inside of it, thats entirely up to them, its their product, their choice, especially online games and World of Warships is literally an online game, they experience changes, online games never stay the same and to expect them to is fools play.

In all online games I've played I've never NOT SEEN ONE CHANGE, Fallout 76 literally just had a 12 GB mass overhall update today, World of Warcraft is dropping their next update in the hour, last week Counterside overhalled their entire game from the ground up, Planetside 2 did a few bug fixes, if a game developer wants to change things in an online game, thats normal.

The fact alone you expect Steam to take action not only on a game thats designed to be played online with others but on literally it being changed is honestly dumb, sorry to be blunt but expecting no changes for an online game is the dumbest thing I've heard people whine about.

If this was a single player game where the developers confirm their target audience was the single player part of it, then I would understand your point, World of Warships however has the target audience for online players and as such it undergoes constant updates and changes.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Xunzul:

Im not saying they can't do what they want with their game, im said why they have to scam saying it's not a rigged pay2win when all players see it is. I appreciate even the try to explain im a noob that argue with his frustation, but im not a noob neither a new player to any games, im not even super pro but that don't mean i suck then argue with gamedevs, it's not my case.

If you sell bananas you can't call them apples, cos are bananas, there's the scam and that don't justify the "gamedev can do whetever they want with their game" cos the scam is versus players(customers) not versurs their game and steam give protection to them instead of us, it's unacceptable as a company to fake his customers with fake game description.

If the game is lying about what it contains, you can report it to Steam. Not being happy with how they update or change the game does not make it a scam.

They ultimately have the final word on what direction the game takes.

[Xunzul]

Im not talking about patches or updates, im talking about a rigged game, where gameplay they said its free from AI controls in matchmaking and for damage and accuracy but it's not true, they say it's random but in certain matches is always a 100% accuracy in other matches not even 1%, damage was random too they said, in a match a shot who do max 8000 damage, do 12k damage, in another match all shots of the same type do 3k damage, they said that depend where you shot it, but the accuracy is decided from AI and they said it's not, but it is, all good players see it that y axis is decided totally by AI. For this reason i don't talk about game changes, im talking about the lie the devs tell to players to fake them and hidden the truth that is: "game distribute victories and losses as a slot machine equaly to make all happy, expecially the pay users, and they don't admit it, they censure who talk about it, they ban them all. It's not writed it on the description of the game but it work this way from what i see and from what i read from other. Many people go out of steam to post feedback and talk about it in external websites cos here are all censored, i read a lot out of here about world of warship and lots of players stop to play it in mass some year ago.

Why lie to players ? Cos many years ago when warthunter post the code of their matchmaking they see lots of player abandon the game? This is the reason why now the lies are admitted ? Money?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Xunzul:

Im not talking about patches or updates, im talking about a rigged game, where gameplay they said its free from AI controls in matchmaking and for damage and accuracy but it's not true, they say it's random but in certain matches is always a 100% accuracy in other matches not even 1%, damage was random too they said, in a match a shot who do max 8000 damage, do 12k damage, in another match all shots of the same type do 3k damage, they said that depend where you shot it, but the accuracy is decided from AI and they said it's not, but it is, all good players see it that y axis is decided totally by AI. For this reason i don't talk about game changes, im talking about the lie the devs tell to players to fake them and hidden the truth that is: "game distribute victories and losses as a slot machine equaly to make all happy, expecially the pay user, and they don't admit it, they censure who talk about it, they ban them all.

And ""who"" is making these claims that AI have any part of this? If this is about world of warships go take it up with them on their actual forum and website: https://forum.worldofwarships.com/ Here i'll actually link their forum site for you, if this is an issue with that game, thats not Steams problem, thats World of Warships problem.

Steam has no duty or job or even anything they can do here, if something is said in game and is not on the game page, and after looking at it right now at the Steam Page, there is literally zero notes or even details of them speaking of the AI beyond at the bottom where it say "Play Solo or with Friends" and then the details of clans, online play and clan league fights, so as far as it goes you've not been scammed in any form.

[Xunzul]

Shizune, go read the feedbacks, go read all the negative feedbacks here, steam can put off from their market that game, steam can do it, but steam wont do it, cos the earning are better than protect unsatisfied players, go read the feedback of all these games we talking about, world of warship, world of tanks, warthunder, pubg ecc ecc... read it carefully. More coincidences do a proof and when a 100-1000-10000 players write the same thing, maybe something are going wrong. These games are hosted on steam and there are even responsabilities from steam too, not only from gamedevs.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Xunzul:

Shizune, go read the feedbacks, go real all the negative feedback, staeam can put off from their market that game, steam can do it, but steam wont do it, cos the earning are better than protect unsatisfied players, go read the feedback of all this game we talking about, world of warship, world of tanks, warthunder, pubg ecc ecc... read it carefully. More coincidences do a proof and when a 100-1000-10000 players write the same thing, maybe something are going wrong.

Does not matter what reviews say, at that point its not steams problem as they have not scammed when the information on the game page is crystal clear, it says nothing on AI.

So that said, whether it or not the AI is rigged is nothing Steam has any say on, if its not on the page for the game then its something dealt with on World of Warships end and not on Steams end, thats how it works.

Seriously Steam is not going to protect people who will buy something without reading details, thats not their job, the idea of Steam having to protect unsatisfied players has never existed, thats not their job either.

I have zero need to read the reviews of a game, if there's something in the game I dislike but its not on the webpage stores description then thats my own problem and I should take it up with the game developers.

Steam literally has reviewd the dang thing before it went on their stores anyways and as the case goes, got a problem with it? Take it up with Steam customer support, if they cant help then no one can.

Reviews mean nothing, 0, ziltch in most conditions, 100 or a million players leaving a negative review, espectially for online games means nothing, want some proof?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/440/Team_Fortress_2/#app_reviews_hash - 54k Negative reviews
https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike_Global_Offensive/#app_reviews_hash - 808k Negative reviews

Did they have any impact on Steam? No, they had zero.

[Xunzul]

The scam is on that, nothing said about the AI, but there's the AI controlling the matches. People get banned on this forum while explaining their experience on the game, not in game dev forum, here in steam forum where they make "the purchease". Im not asking refound and nothing, im asking steam to protect us from scam, to investigate about the genuinity of the information given by game vendor, to protect players from scams and you, you still saying me, steam get only money and offer a service without have responsability on that ?

No, there's rules to respect even in steam, but for money, "maybe", it can be ignored... right ? Steam is being fullfilled with rigged games where unware players think their skill in game mean something, instead they find a game playing with them as a slot machine set to let % of winning for each one who can be modified by paying, "this-is-scam" and if steam do nothing about it, "it mean Steam is in favor with that" even with resposabilities.

I don't say to delete that games, i say it must be writed on the game documentation, to inform the players that the game is rigged, im not asking the moon.

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Reviews mean nothing, 0, ziltch in most conditions, 100 or a million players leaving a negative review, espectially for online games means nothing, want some proof?

Thx the game don't talk about the reason why players stop to play and make fake advertising attracting unware players... that's thx to steam that feedbacks impact 0, they don't care about it and leave gamedevs operate in a bad way getting joke of unware players... so the scam can continue and more money can be earned, Very Thanks Steam!

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

I'm done discussing this with you, the fact you've worn my patience thin with your inability to read is annoying, I literally dont have the care to add an insult in my posts, not even a snarky one liner.

Lets do a "Dumb Persons Guide to Steam" then.

1: Steam reviews games before they go on the store, this nullifies your entire prospect of Steam not investigating games when they do it before it even goes on their page.

2: You cant even deny Steam having done so because World Of Warships existed long before it came on Steam, meaning that the AI nonsense your claiming would of been in the game when it was put on Steam

3: There are no rules for buyers remorse, thats not even a thing, its no ones fault but your own if you buy something only to be disappointed with it later.

4: What happens in a game that Steam does not own, nor have a say in, is not their problem, if World of Warships changes something in their product, thats not Steams problem otherwise your suggesting steam violates trademark conditions because Steam does not even own World of Warships nor even the company that makes it.

5: Altogether if there's a scam in the game, thats not Steams problem, its the company that owns the game's problem, its in the game, not on Steam, thus its not Steams problem to deal with, your issue with something going on INSIDE of A GAME THEY DONT OWN is literally like asking the United States to help with the UK's Policing of its streets, thats not how it remotely works.

Finally: Paid or not, you dont have any claim in the game beyond your own account, if World of Warships wants to alter their product, they can, you dont own anything more then an account on their game, same as how you only own an account on Steam which Valve could if they felt like it, close it, nothing prevents them from doing so, their just not the type of company to do so without a damn good reason to it.

If you cant get these basic no-brainer parts of Steams marketing practises having no part of World of Warships ingame microtransaction situation then honestly no one here is going to be able to help you.

[Xunzul]

Ok then, go to the point.

If me and others say the game is rigged here on steam forums, the game dev on his forum area(here in steam) say no, then ban and censor the comment if others continue say yes, "here in steam" it's a gamedev problem?

If i come in yuor real store and buy a boxed game with a DVD inside, when i open it there's nothing inside or there's a Michael Jackson music DVD instead, it's a problem of your store or gamedevs?

Here where i live the casinò games are prohibited for under 18 and the customers must be informed that's rigged and limited to a win %. Maybe even in other countries are prohibited, pheraps is better that isn't writted that on the game right? Otherwise those games must pay more taxes, being prohibited for underage teens and lost a lots of customers right? Maybe this is the reason why nobody protect the players, omit to them is more profitable, right?

Better it seems a simple free 2 play game than a casinò free 2 play game with internal "microtransactions" for """"""ahestetics""""""""

Ok i close here the discussion, i don't want to talk about it anymore....

Ps. I don't need help.The steam players community need help.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Ok then, go to the point.

If me and others say the game is rigged here on steam forums, the game dev on his forum area(here in steam) say no, then ban and censor the comment if others continue say yes, "here in steam" it's a gamedev problem?

If i come in yuor real store and buy a boxed game with a DVD inside, when i open it there's nothing inside or there's a Michael Jackson music DVD instead, it's a problem of your store or gamedevs?

Here where i live the casinò games are prohibited for under 18 and the customers must be informed that's rigged and limited to a win %. Maybe even in other countries are prohibited, pheraps is better that isn't writted that on the game right? Otherwise those games must pay more taxes, being prohibited for underage teens and lost a lots of customers right? Maybe this is the reason why nobody protect the players, omit to them is more profitable, right?

Better it seems a simple free 2 play game than a casinò free 2 play game with internal "microtransactions" for """"""ahestetics""""""""

Ok i close here the discussion, i don't want to talk about it anymore....

Ps. I don't need help.The steam players community need help.

Did PUBG add loot boxes?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowMango:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Xunzul:

Ok then, go to the point.

If me and others say the game is rigged here on steam forums, the game dev on his forum area(here in steam) say no, then ban and censor the comment if others continue say yes, "here in steam" it's a gamedev problem?

If i come in yuor real store and buy a boxed game with a DVD inside, when i open it there's nothing inside or there's a Michael Jackson music DVD instead, it's a problem of your store or gamedevs?

Here where i live the casinò games are prohibited for under 18 and the customers must be informed that's rigged and limited to a win %. Maybe even in other countries are prohibited, pheraps is better that isn't writted that on the game right? Otherwise those games must pay more taxes, being prohibited for underage teens and lost a lots of customers right? Maybe this is the reason why nobody protect the players, omit to them is more profitable, right?

Better it seems a simple free 2 play game than a casinò free 2 play game with internal "microtransactions" for """"""ahestetics""""""""

Ok i close here the discussion, i don't want to talk about it anymore....

Ps. I don't need help.The steam players community need help.

Did PUBG add loot boxes?

They did when they went free on Steam ya, but it also lead to a massive tidal wave of hackers and cheaters which literally have been to a massive point, ignored by the development staff and they indeed have banned people who ask why they are more focused adding loot boxes which literally have been meme'd so hard even by the likes of Zero Punctuation for getting just 4 different colored yet identical jeans, level of stupid while getting "Sniped by a shoulder mounted railgun that I can only guess he got from a downed ailen spaceship while facing 180 degress in the opposite direction"

[Xunzul]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowMango:

Did PUBG add loot boxes?

They did when they went free on Steam ya, but it also lead to a massive tidal wave of hackers and cheaters which literally have been to a massive point, ignored by the development staff and they indeed have banned people who ask why they are more focused adding loot boxes which literally have been meme'd so hard even by the likes of Zero Punctuation for getting just 4 different colored yet identical jeans, level of stupid while getting "Sniped by a shoulder mounted railgun that I can only guess he got from a downed ailen spaceship while facing 180 degress in the opposite direction"

LOL

Ah, you know the dynamics about pubg then ^^

Players can't cheat on games, but games can cheat on players... what a world, but now the solution is here, players can cheat on games, while games cheat on players and all the world of games become a great scam! YAHOOOO!