Will Steam ever give it a shot at home consoles?

[FOXDUDE69]

Now that Valve has a handheld console, if it proves to be successful in the long term, do you see Valve trying their hand at a home console, too? With a 2.0 version of the Steam controller?

Steam machines don't count 'cus they were built by third parties, it's not really what I'm talking about here. I'm taking about hardware made by Valve.

[Muppet among Puppets]

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

Muppet among Puppets eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont think anyone really WANTS an xbox or ps.

Lol

I bought a PS5 because I wanted one.

The biggest reason I use PC is (was) because of grafics and M/K

I forgot that they have mouse keyboard now. But that is only one exclusive argument less "for" pc, not really WHY you "want" a console.

There is allways something that makes you scale out the "limitations". You dont normally accept limitations, if there is no "need" (instead of "want") present.

With crossplay, the benefit of consoles of having playerbases for many games for longer, is on pc as well. In the games i played, cheaters werent making me want a console.

I understand that people like consoles. I just dont think, steam should invest money in that. Because priority is, to keep our purchases alive.

Before they know if people want it, they would create and build and invest. Just to answer this question.
And THEN
after all this, would come the real question:
Will people who would >buy< a console,
not get an xbox or ps to get a steam one?

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FOX6NINE eredeti hozzászólása:

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't forget the sharing....I can simply lend a friend my play station disc.


Remember this...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

Also Outdated.

90% of all videogame sales were digital last years.

Physical will be dead in a few years but it's immaterial, even with the death of physical games, people will continue to play consoles for the convenience and because they prefer to just put their feet up and enjoy their games on a 75" TV with home surround sound, both cheaper than they've ever been, while building a PC continues to be less and less affordable (and it wasn't just the scalper's fault).

We are looking at a future where the vast majority of gamers are either on consoles or prebuilts.

Elitism has no effect on economics.

And shared Screen CO-OP will always better in the living room.

yet I can find PS games on disc without even looking. I go to Amazon looking for a PS5 game and 9 out of ten are physical discs, and that also holds true in stores.

In fact, just to make sure, I just went to Amazon, searced for "PS5 games" and out of 21 results on the 1st page, NONE of them were digital.


One of the big sellers of the play station is the sharing and used game market, and I doubt that is something Sony will be getting rid of any time soon.
pretty much true of xbox as well.

[AROCK!!!]

Muppet among Puppets eredeti hozzászólása:

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

Lol

I bought a PS5 because I wanted one.

The biggest reason I use PC is (was) because of grafics and M/K

I forgot that they have mouse keyboard now. But that is only one exclusive argument less "for" pc, not really WHY you "want" a console.

There is allways something that makes you scale out the "limitations". You dont normally accept limitations, if there is no "need" (instead of "want") present.

With crossplay, the benefit of consoles of having playerbases for many games for longer, is on pc as well. In the games i played, cheaters werent making me want a console.

I understand that people like consoles. I just dont think, steam should invest money in that. Because priority is, to keep our purchases alive.

Before they know if people want it, they would create and build and invest. Just to answer this question.
And THEN
after all this, would come the real question:
Will people who would >buy< a console,
not get an xbox or ps to get a steam one?

Anyone wanting to play their STEAM games on their TV already can. And in the event the computer is in another room, then one can build or buy a PC just for the TV, which is all a STEAM console would be, and by doing it yourself you can ensure the ability to play games from other platforms....it would probably be cheaper too.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

FOX6NINE eredeti hozzászólása:

Yet they are buying a handheld console.

How many PC-Gaming portable devices were out there?
How many desktop PC-Gaming devices were?

PC Gamers don't need a 'console' to plug in their home TV because their PCs already serve for that. Playing their PC games on the go was a total different subject.

Outside of custom built raspberry pi devices, none, and even then raspberry pi is almost used exclusively used for emulation in the handheld construct, not as a functioning PC. Closest thing in that context, are laptops.

[FOXDUDE69]

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

yet I can find PS games on disc without even looking. I go to Amazon looking for a PS5 game and 9 out of ten are physical discs, and that also holds true in stores.

In fact, just to make sure, I just went to Amazon, searced for "PS5 games" and out of 21 results on the 1st page, NONE of them were digital.

Obviously, because if you wanna buy the game digital, there's the Playstation Store for that, lol.

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

One of the big sellers of the play station is the sharing and used game market, and I doubt that is something Sony will be getting rid of any time soon.
pretty much true of xbox as well.

You are once again making arguments based on outdated concepts.

https://gamerant.com/physical-game-sales-down-2022-2023/

The used game market was only a necessity prior to the constant digital game sales we have now.

[Asyn1x]

nah

[hunglyka]

Callahan420 eredeti hozzászólása:

No because it is a Handheld PC.

No such thing. Its a CONSOLE.

[Brian9824]

The digital game sales are highly skewed, for consoles its more like ~70% digital, and for both its very skewed due to indie titles that only have a digital release. To be objective you'd really have to look at titles that had a physical and digital release and then compare thouse.

hunglyka eredeti hozzászólása:

Callahan420 eredeti hozzászólása:

No because it is a Handheld PC.

No such thing. Its a CONSOLE.

It's a handheld PC, its not locked into a proprietary OS and can run windows.

[FOXDUDE69]

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

The digital game sales are highly skewed, for consoles its more like ~70% digital, and for both its very skewed due to indie titles that only have a digital release. To be objective you'd really have to look at titles that had a physical and digital release and then compare thouse.

hunglyka eredeti hozzászólása:

No such thing. Its a CONSOLE.

It's a handheld PC, its not locked into a proprietary OS and can run windows.

Is that how we define what is a console and what is a PC? Because earlier versions of the PS3 OS allowed users to install other OSs, yet nobody ever called the PS3 a PC.

Or could it just be that this is an arbitrary distinction that Valve came up with so they could refer to their console as a "handheld PC" in their marketing and so that PC elitists could own one without getting their egos bruised?

I don't remember this ever being the thing that defines what is and what isn't a console prior to the Deck, so I'll take the definition of console from wikipedia over yours and Valve's:

"A video game console is an electronic device that outputs a video signal or image to display a video game that can be played with a game controller. These may be home consoles, which are generally placed in a permanent location connected to a television or other display devices and controlled with a separate game controller, or handheld consoles, which include their own display unit and controller functions built into the unit and which can be played anywhere. Hybrid consoles combine elements of both home and handheld consoles."

[AROCK!!!]

FOX6NINE eredeti hozzászólása:

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

yet I can find PS games on disc without even looking. I go to Amazon looking for a PS5 game and 9 out of ten are physical discs, and that also holds true in stores.

In fact, just to make sure, I just went to Amazon, searced for "PS5 games" and out of 21 results on the 1st page, NONE of them were digital.

Obviously, because if you wanna buy the game digital, there's the Playstation Store for that, lol.

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

One of the big sellers of the play station is the sharing and used game market, and I doubt that is something Sony will be getting rid of any time soon.
pretty much true of xbox as well.

You are once again making arguments based on outdated concepts.

https://gamerant.com/physical-game-sales-down-2022-2023/

The used game market was only a necessity prior to the constant digital game sales we have now.

lol...which shows that while physical sales may be "down" they are not out, and there are literally more than a dozen places that deal in used console games, including the newest consoles and games.

last week I went to the mall to get a new laptop for my daughter, and while I was there I checked two stores for PS5 games, and did not see a single one labeled "download code", but I did see shelf after shelf of games..


The fact of the matter is, it is still very easy to get physical discs for consoles...much easier than for PC, and they sell, which means there is a demand.

There is no doubt one day discs will be gone on all platforms, but with consoles I'm confident we still have a while, just like there are still music CDs and movie DVDs despite them being available digitally.

[Tsubame ⭐]

Likely not.

Portable handheld and "home" consoles are apples to oranges.

The handheld Steam Deck allows people to play their Steam libraries away from home. There is no such incentive for a Steam home console, especially when the user base is skewed towards gaming PCs rather than your bread and butter home consoles.

Virtually whatever a console can do a PC can do. Yes, there are costs and convenience considerations, but as stated, the user base is mainly PC users who mostly do not care about that. At the end of the day, you can still set up a PC and play games on your TV using a joystick, if you fancy doing that.

Unlike the handheld Steam Deck, which only has the Switch with is rather limited library as competition, a Steam home console would have thick competition from Sony and Microsoft. Economically does not make sense, and their past failure proves that.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

hunglyka eredeti hozzászólása:

Callahan420 eredeti hozzászólása:

No because it is a Handheld PC.

No such thing. Its a CONSOLE.

Laptops would like a word. So would very small micro ATX builds.

[[?]legit]

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

hunglyka eredeti hozzászólása:

No such thing. Its a CONSOLE.

Laptops would like a word. So would very small micro ATX builds.

You don't hold your laptop in your hands, do you?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

legit windows eredeti hozzászólása:

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Laptops would like a word. So would very small micro ATX builds.

You don't hold your laptop in your hands, do you?

I have, yes.

[Boblin the Goblin]

FOX6NINE eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

The digital game sales are highly skewed, for consoles its more like ~70% digital, and for both its very skewed due to indie titles that only have a digital release. To be objective you'd really have to look at titles that had a physical and digital release and then compare thouse.



It's a handheld PC, its not locked into a proprietary OS and can run windows.

Is that how we define what is a console and what is a PC? Because earlier versions of the PS3 OS allowed users to install other OSs, yet nobody ever called the PS3 a PC.

Or could it just be that this is an arbitrary distinction that Valve came up with so they could refer to their console as a "handheld PC" in their marketing and so that PC elitists could own one without getting their egos bruised?

I don't remember this ever being the thing that defines what is and what isn't a console prior to the Deck, so I'll take the definition of console from wikipedia over yours and Valve's:

"A video game console is an electronic device that outputs a video signal or image to display a video game that can be played with a game controller. These may be home consoles, which are generally placed in a permanent location connected to a television or other display devices and controlled with a separate game controller, or handheld consoles, which include their own display unit and controller functions built into the unit and which can be played anywhere. Hybrid consoles combine elements of both home and handheld consoles."

Your definition doesn't make the Deck a console.