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BimBimOppa 2 gen 2023, ore 14:18
Steam Achievement Manager
Do people still using this software on 2023? it trustworthy?

I can play any game can up 20 hours.
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Anyway, let's recap now that the OP has marked the answer he was looking for. Grateful to be able to provide the factual information to question at hand. So yes, people are still using Steam Achievement Manager (SAM) on a regular basis with no issues or consequences. I, myself, have been researching the program for about a year now, after it was brought to my attention. As a part of this information, we should also review some things we know about achievements in general:

1) Valve has set up a relatively simple and plain system of achievements for games, and allows devs the freedom to add (or not add) achievements to their games.

2) Valve also has in place a system so that devs can make their achievements server based, but it is a feature that sees little to no use in the games I have played and are contained in my library. Again, this is something Valve leaves in the hands of the devs.

3) As such, achievements can be "manipulated" in several ways, in addition to SAM:
-Have a friend or family member help or complete the achievement for you.
-Edit the game files.
-Use someone else's game save file.
-Use a dev console or cheat codes.
-Take advantage of in game mechanics or features to bypass the "normal" route.
-Exploit bugs.
-Mods - either external or from the Steam Workshop
-Steam User Console

That last option is of particular interest as Valve has built into Steam itself a way to trigger or reset achievements, therefore, making it a viable method without consequence.

Also to note in an interview with a Valve employee, the Astats achievement hunting group has provided information that the use of these methods (including SAM) cannot reliably be detected and Valve has no plans on changing the achievement system, therefore relying on game developers to make the choice to use (or not use) the feature, including the option of server side achievements. Therefore, and again considering that Valve included with the Steam Console the ability to manipulate achievements, Valve does not care and will do nothing against anyone who uses any method to manipulate them as they see fit.

As part of my research into SAM, I installed it on a test system with a test Steam Account. As part of my experimentation, I connected to VAC and EAC secured servers with this test system and using my test accounts. The results from my tests, along with the statements of others, including the Valve employee, have brought me to the conclusion that VAC and EAC is not triggered by SAM, and that the program is safe to have installed while playing on secured servers.

As a result of my research and testing, I can conclude that SAM is safe to use, and now therefore will begin using the program myself to complete many achievements that are broken and will not be fixed by devs for several of my games. I have also had a couple of friends also thank me for the information about SAM I have provided them and have told me they will also begin using the program as well. I have asked them to post their results in this thread as well, if desired.

Edit: Thank you for the free Steam Points too! Much appreciated.
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Boblin the Goblin 2 gen 2023, ore 21:15 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:


It can't.

If I play a game offline and unlock multiple achievements while offline. As soon as I go online, Steam will read all of those achievements unlocked at the same time.

If I use SAM, it will do the exact same thing.

If I play someone else's save, it will do the exact same thing.

It is literally impossible for Steam to tell the difference. The only way for it to be able to is to require a sever dedicated to achievement verification(a Valve employee said this) which they won't do because of complexiy and cost.

Even Dead By Daylight had to stop banning for SAM usage because it got too messy. They were getting false positives and banning non-SAM users.
I'm not charge my mind unless I see employee said it is safe to use the SAM. Please quit arguing with me.


You already said you won't get banned so there is no argument over that.

I'm explaining why they cannot detect SAM usage and have said it isn't worth enforcing anything against it. Which they(Valve) also explained as well.

If you don't want to discuss what Valve has said, you do not need to respond. Or you can block me.

Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:

(a Valve employee said this) which they won't do because of complexiy and cost.

Also, you just said they may will try to design a program to ban anyone that use the SAM in the future.

I said not such thing. I explicitly said that they said they won't design or implement anything to attempt to detect SAM usage.
Ultima modifica da Boblin the Goblin; 2 gen 2023, ore 21:17
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Jamebonds1 2 gen 2023, ore 21:20 
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
I'm not charge my mind unless I see employee said it is safe to use the SAM. Please quit arguing with me.


You already said you won't get banned so there is no argument over that.

I'm explaining why they cannot detect SAM usage and have said it isn't worth enforcing anything against it. Which they(Valve) also explained as well.

If you don't want to discuss what Valve has said, you do not need to respond. Or you can block me.
Won't is not a literally word and it is same as may, unless it is "literally won't" or "no". Which I never use "literally won't".

I have already proved evidence that employee may change their mind and designed an anti-SAM program in the future. Therefore, you still could get banned for use the SAM.

PS: block don't work because it can't hide your comment.

Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:

Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:


Also, you just said they may will try to design a program to ban anyone that use the SAM in the future.

I said not such thing. I explicitly said that they said they won't design or implement anything to attempt to detect SAM usage.
With what evidence? You made a counterclaim post and it is your responsible to proof your evidence.
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Boblin the Goblin 2 gen 2023, ore 21:26 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:


You already said you won't get banned so there is no argument over that.

I'm explaining why they cannot detect SAM usage and have said it isn't worth enforcing anything against it. Which they(Valve) also explained as well.

If you don't want to discuss what Valve has said, you do not need to respond. Or you can block me.


Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:


You already said you won't get banned so there is no argument over that.

I'm explaining why they cannot detect SAM usage and have said it isn't worth enforcing anything against it. Which they(Valve) also explained as well.

If you don't want to discuss what Valve has said, you do not need to respond. Or you can block me.
Won't is not a literally word and it is same as may, unless it is "literally won't" or "no". Which I never use "literally won't".

I have already proved evidence that employee may change their mind and designed an anti-SAM program in the future. Therefore, you still could get banned for use the SAM.

PS: block don't work because it can't hide your comment.

"Won't" is a conjunction of "will not" which means there is no chance of something happening. It is not the same as "may" which means there is a chance of something happening.


Please show this evidence of an employee discussing designing an "Anti-SAM" program.

And yes, a block will hide my comment. It will replace my comment with a small box that says "blocked user" with an option to show it. It will not hide my comment from you if someone else replies to me.

Oh, your attempts to rile me with the Jester award won't work. I'm always down for free points.
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Jamebonds1 2 gen 2023, ore 21:32 
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:



Won't is not a literally word and it is same as may, unless it is "literally won't" or "no". Which I never use "literally won't".

I have already proved evidence that employee may change their mind and designed an anti-SAM program in the future. Therefore, you still could get banned for use the SAM.

PS: block don't work because it can't hide your comment.

"Won't" is a conjunction of "will not" which means there is no chance of something happening. It is not the same as "may" which means there is a chance of something happening.


Please show this evidence of an employee discussing designing an "Anti-SAM" program.

And yes, a block will hide my comment. It will replace my comment with a small box that says "blocked user" with an option to show it. It will not hide my comment from you if someone else replies to me.

Oh, your attempts to rile me with the Jester award won't work. I'm always down for free points.
I'm not show you my evidence because I didn't make a counterclaim post. I don't know why you love to arguing every people, but it need end. Good bye.
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Boblin the Goblin 2 gen 2023, ore 22:22 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:

"Won't" is a conjunction of "will not" which means there is no chance of something happening. It is not the same as "may" which means there is a chance of something happening.


Please show this evidence of an employee discussing designing an "Anti-SAM" program.

And yes, a block will hide my comment. It will replace my comment with a small box that says "blocked user" with an option to show it. It will not hide my comment from you if someone else replies to me.

Oh, your attempts to rile me with the Jester award won't work. I'm always down for free points.
I'm not show you my evidence because I didn't make a counterclaim post. I don't know why you love to arguing every people, but it need end. Good bye.

I didn't make a counterclaim.

We both agree that you will not be punished for using SAM.
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Jamebonds1 2 gen 2023, ore 22:25 
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
I'm not show you my evidence because I didn't make a counterclaim post. I don't know why you love to arguing every people, but it need end. Good bye.

I didn't make a counterclaim.

We both agree that you will not be punished for using SAM.
That is not what I said.

This is your counterclaim.



Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Yes it could. No one employee said SAM is safe. I'm not arguing with you.


It can't.

If I play a game offline and unlock multiple achievements while offline. As soon as I go online, Steam will read all of those achievements unlocked at the same time.

If I use SAM, it will do the exact same thing.

If I play someone else's save, it will do the exact same thing.

It is literally impossible for Steam to tell the difference. The only way for it to be able to is to require a sever dedicated to achievement verification(a Valve employee said this) which they won't do because of complexiy and cost.

Even Dead By Daylight had to stop banning for SAM usage because it got too messy. They were getting false positives and banning non-SAM users.
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Boblin the Goblin 2 gen 2023, ore 22:46 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:

I didn't make a counterclaim.

We both agree that you will not be punished for using SAM.
That is not what I said.

This is your counterclaim.



Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:


It can't.

If I play a game offline and unlock multiple achievements while offline. As soon as I go online, Steam will read all of those achievements unlocked at the same time.

If I use SAM, it will do the exact same thing.

If I play someone else's save, it will do the exact same thing.

It is literally impossible for Steam to tell the difference. The only way for it to be able to is to require a sever dedicated to achievement verification(a Valve employee said this) which they won't do because of complexiy and cost.

Even Dead By Daylight had to stop banning for SAM usage because it got too messy. They were getting false positives and banning non-SAM users.



Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
SAM won't result in ban; however, it is still use it at your own risk.


You did though.
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Jamebonds1 2 gen 2023, ore 23:16 
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
That is not what I said.

This is your counterclaim.





Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
SAM won't result in ban; however, it is still use it at your own risk.


You did though.
But did you see I said SAM literally result in ban."? It is same as SAM may result in ban.
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Boblin the Goblin 2 gen 2023, ore 23:28 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:






You did though.
But did you see I said SAM literally result in ban."? It is same as SAM may result in ban.


So did you lie when you said SAM won't result in a ban?
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Jamebonds1 2 gen 2023, ore 23:35 
Messaggio originale di KittenGrindr:
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
But did you see I said SAM literally result in ban."? It is same as SAM may result in ban.


So did you lie when you said SAM won't result in a ban?
It is not me that have problem. Good bye.
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invision2212 2 gen 2023, ore 23:41 
Oh look…..people arguing over pointless things…how neat.
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BimBimOppa 2 gen 2023, ore 23:43 
Messaggio originale di invision2212:
Oh look…..people arguing over pointless things…how neat.

idk just incase it safe?
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Jamebonds1 3 gen 2023, ore 0:26 
Messaggio originale di Bim Bim:
Messaggio originale di invision2212:
Oh look…..people arguing over pointless things…how neat.

idk just incase it safe?
No employees said it is safe to use the SAM which it mean something surprising can happening in the future. For example, restricted use SAM or ban-able.
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BimBimOppa 3 gen 2023, ore 1:08 
Messaggio originale di Jamebonds1:
Messaggio originale di Bim Bim:

idk just incase it safe?
No employees said it is safe to use the SAM which it mean something surprising can happening in the future. For example, restricted use SAM or ban-able.

I know but since 3 years from now that not happen. Only ban is you play cheat not the achievements doesn't do anything
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BJWyler 3 gen 2023, ore 6:17 
Messaggio originale di THE LORD:
Don't use it for any VAC games like CSGO and DOTA 2.
People have been using SAM on VAC enabled games for years with no issues. VAC does not detect SAM as a cheat and will not cause a VAC ban.

Nor will Valve be able to ban anyone for using SAM now or in the future as they are unable to detect when SAM has been used. Legally, they cannot ban you from Steam or access to any game you Legally purchased for cheating achievements.
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