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The Overton window has shifted and the new norms about software freedom and privacy are just depressing.
If a library has 10 games and is being shared, only 1 of the 10 games can be in use - the other 9 games are on hold.
If someone borrows my library, I cannot play any of the games in my library (with some exceptions to drm-free games, running without steam) until they are finished with the library.
What is being requested is that while sharing libraries, only the individual game that is being borrowed is on hold, leaving the rest of the games that are not being borrowed able to play - which currently is not the case.
This can be done currently by creating an account for each game purchase, then using sharing to tie them to another main account, but creates a hassle for ordinary users.. the fact that it is currently possible to work around it means the limitation does not really prevent abuse.
You cannot lend only a song from the album, and you cannot play the same album in two players at the same time.
Of course, my daughter can listen to my Metallica album in her room, while I have Led Zeppelin playing in mine. In my home country it is even legal to copy the music I bought on disc for my personal use. We could indeed listen to the same song the same time ... legaly!
But we're talking not about music.
Songs on a CD are just like levels of the same game.
The Steam-Library it is called, well, LIBRARY.
So let's think of it as such.
If I take a book from a real library, that one book is not available to other readers so long.
But it is not the whole library that is locked down!
That is what Steam does :-(
It is restricting our customer rights!
My library has grown to 300+ games in 20 years. It is unbearable that my kids are not allowed to play one game from my "library" while I am playing another.
Even I myself are not allowed to play one game one my 1st pc and another one on my 2nd.
There is no technical reason for this, and there is no one in copyright law!
There's multiple reasons I buy most of my stuff on gog.com by now but that one is an importan one of them.
cu there :-)
One account, one game at a time.
Also again, the biggest reason for this restriction is because it was the demand of the game publishers or they would not agree to the Steam Family Share system.
Its a voluntary system. If the changes you want were implemented then 95% of game publishers would remove their games from the sharing system.
Because if a library could be in use by more then one user at a time people would 100% abuse it to lend out their games for money.
Especially with new and expensive releases.
The publishers want you to buy the games, not rent them for a few bucks.
I see no justification for preventing me from playing two different purchased games on two differen pcs I own the same time.
(and this is the case with family sharing as my kids pcs are mine, too, aswell as with my own account an my own 3 pcs)
Even if that system was developed, someone trying to exploit the family sharing service to rent out access to games would equally be able to prove that he in fact owned e.g. 20 machines. He'd even have the receipts for them.
The current system makes complete sense and it is required by the software producers. Anger them and they'll just revoke access to the family sharing feature.
Rights are there to weight different interessts against each other.
There is no ballance right now. It is a one sided story:
You pay and get no rights at all.
Steam lets you play the game you paid for on the terms they set.
Steam may (and does) change these terms at will.
As a former developer myself, I have no problem spending money for software at all.
I had my first Steam game before Steam even existed (Half-Life) and bought more than 1000 games in three decades of gaming.
Thanks god, most of em are not on steam, as I dislike their DRM more and more, every year.
Steam can offer DRM-Free titles, too.
In fact they do.
Kerbal Space Program for example ... the kids can just launch it from the install folder.
So for family sharing reasons it is best to always have a closer look at the DRM conditions.
GOG.COM is the least problematic store, as they've written DRM-Free on their banners (there are a few exceptions though, where you have a cd key or to log in for multiplayer).
HumbleBundle.com marks the games accordingly and for Steam and Epic you can find lists of their DRM-Free titles online. You can also get detailed infos on a games DRM via PCGamingWiki.com
But back on topic ...
It is totaly legit to say:
We want FAMILY SHARING without those restrictions.
Most here don't even want it DRM free, they just want a better family sharing implementation.
We're far away from revolution here ;-)
It is as it is by the distributors and steams decision.
It's not by law.
They could change it.
Your library IS like a lot of songs on the same CD. You may not like it but that's the way it IS.
They could name it your "Steam Avocado" and wouldn't change the way it's build. And it's built as a singe, non-divisible object.
Also since we're speaking denominations the service isn't called 'Library sharing' You're not actually sharing your Steam library, you're sharing your Steam account. And your account doesn't allow you to concurrently launch two games from your library in different computers concurrently.
The way the system works is also done to balance publisher's rights and allow them to protect their work.
There's two sides to every coin.
Note copyright law includes the usage of DRM.
Note games on GOG are as much bound to the license terms as Steam ones. The difference is GOG doesn't actively enforce those terms.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
It is not. All these games are from diffenent companies, from different nations, different creators, different copyright holders, are produced under different law situations, in different times, have different themes, mechanics, styles ... there is nothing they all together have in common with a SINGLE album!
Steam is just the store you bought them. That's all, what they have in common.
They may protect it from being bought by me as well :-D
I'm so tired of being treated like a criminal. I'm the one who's paying their salaries in the end!
They are the ones, that can not exist without the money of their customers. Their customers can very well live without what they have to OFFER.
The law does not enforce the use of DRM.
DRM is not part of the law, it is just an instrument to enforce the law in the rightholders interest. And in this interest it goes further by restricting customers far more than the law does.
That's plainly wrong. GOG does not only "not enforce those terms" but it GRANTS YOU THE RIGHT to install and use your software on multiple PCs. Last time I had a look at their terms they clearly stated:
"We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household."
And as long as my kids live in my houshold ... you get the point :-)
Just to make that point clear again:
We're not talking about sharing with dozens of "friends".
We're talking about letting my 10 year old son play Pac-Man Museum on my old pc, while I myself play Civilization IV on a PC a few meters away.
They ALSO state
There is a reason why 90%+ of games aren't on GoG and why companies like Bethesda, Square, Capcom, etc only release their old games because GoG is heavily used to pirate games.
For you perhaps, go to ebay and type in any popular game and you will already see people selling access to accounts via the CURRENT family sharing with its restrictions. Loosening those restrictions WILL lead to widescale fraud.
You have different people, maybe all adults, who live together and use one common computer. They have their own accounts, but they see it as wasteful buying the same game for multiple accounts and so they begin sharing their accounts' credentials so others don't need to buy games that someone from the group bought for their account. And it's against the SSA (C).
That's why we have steam family sharing. That's it. This is the only scenario it's designed for, nothing else.