Why is competition for steam bad?

Babi Gendut 2022. dec. 21., 7:14

Because csgo skin gamblers and key resellers will go in full force to stop any steam competitors getting the market share.

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Odra 2022. dec. 21., 7:16

Competition is good in order to improve.

Though there is some foolish skinflints out there who believe "competition" is a tool to make companies lower their prices, so they promote it relentlessly.

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Brian9824 2022. dec. 21., 7:19

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Who's saying it was a bad thing?

From my understanding the majority of steam users share a hatred to companies that have their own launchers or store fronts to publish and release their games.

That's not a hatred of competition. People just want if they buy a game on steam to not have to use ANOTHER launcher to play your game. Nothing against the competition

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Count_Dandyman 2022. dec. 21., 7:25

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Steam started as a platform for valve to provide and update their games.

EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Microsoft tries the same thing and they're bad.

Why is steam having competition a bad thing?

It's not. Who says competition is bad? And why do we care what some know-nothing thinks?

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I get that epic deserves backlash for exclusivity deals, which I think is very anti-consumer.

Well you're free to your opinions. But it's not actually anti-consumer by any relevant measure. But I'm waiting for a successful lawsuit or government regulation to prove me wrong. It's been years, so any day now, right?

People just don't like Epic rocking the boat and upsetting the status quo. You take their BS out of the equation and there's not actually a problem. It's a marketing strategy. It's a way to attract customers. That's it.

Honestly people are more bothered by Epic for their endless lies, half assed lazy attempt at a store that still lacks extremely basic features and long repeated history of binning things people have paid for in a way that avoids having to give refunds just to chase an easier dollar elsewhere.

Competition is one thing but competition you can't trust to be around long term isn't going to win many big spenders away from a trusted source that has committed to the long term.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Count_Dandyman; 2022. dec. 21., 7:26

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Brian9824 2022. dec. 21., 7:41

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It's not. Who says competition is bad? And why do we care what some know-nothing thinks?

Well you're free to your opinions. But it's not actually anti-consumer by any relevant measure. But I'm waiting for a successful lawsuit or government regulation to prove me wrong. It's been years, so any day now, right?

People just don't like Epic rocking the boat and upsetting the status quo. You take their BS out of the equation and there's not actually a problem. It's a marketing strategy. It's a way to attract customers. That's it.
Honestly people are more bothered by Epic for their endless lies, half assed lazy attempt at a store that still lacks extremely basic features and long repeated history of binning things people have paid for in a way that avoids having to give refunds just to chase an easier dollar elsewhere.

Competition is one thing but competition you can't trust to be around long term isn't going to win many big spenders away from a trusted source that has committed to the long term.

I still remember when EPIC claimed their lower cut would let game prices be lower and lo and behold the developers charge the same as everywhere else

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Crazy Tiger 2022. dec. 21., 7:52

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Who said competition is bad? Some variation of collectivist filth?

From my understanding the majority of steam users share a hatred to companies that have their own launchers or store fronts to publish and release their games.

Nah, I think that the majority of Steam users are fine with it and don't care one bit. The people who are vocal about it on places like this, the Steam subreddit and other places on the internet are anything but a majority.

Please don't think that the people who are vocal online are in any way representative of the general gaming audience. I have gaming friends in various circles (work, sports, online etc) and just about none of them actually care about the stuff "gamers" complain about online (Epic, DRM, MTX, DLC, etc).

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Count_Dandyman 2022. dec. 21., 7:53

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Honestly people are more bothered by Epic for their endless lies, half assed lazy attempt at a store that still lacks extremely basic features and long repeated history of binning things people have paid for in a way that avoids having to give refunds just to chase an easier dollar elsewhere.

Competition is one thing but competition you can't trust to be around long term isn't going to win many big spenders away from a trusted source that has committed to the long term.

I still remember when EPIC claimed their lower cut would let game prices be lower and lo and behold the developers charge the same as everywhere else

And in several cases more at first because they made users pay currency conversion and other payment fees.

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Haruspex 2022. dec. 21., 8:12

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Why is competition for steam bad?

It's not. I think most people agree competition is good.

Dobkey eredeti hozzászólása:
Steam started as a platform for valve to provide and update their games.

Yes, though if you were around back in 2004 when they forced Half Life 2 buyers to install Steam, we weren't exactly happy about it.

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EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Microsoft tries the same thing and they're bad.

People weren't upset about those companies creating their own launchers/storefronts. They were upset about those companies pulling their games from Steam, which is the preferred PC gaming platform of many.

Dobkey eredeti hozzászólása:
Why is steam having competition a bad thing?

It's not.
Paid exclusives are a bad thing, particularly when they yank away games that were already taking preorders on another store front. I think if Epic hadn't done that, we wouldn't see any of the backlash you see today. If Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, and Bethesda had left games that were already on Steam, on Steam, even if they made their own future titles exclusive to their own storefront, people wouldn't have been nearly as upset.

If you want an example of a competing storefront that hasn't gotten any backlash, look no further than GOG. People love GOG. Steam users love GOG, though they've experienced a few bumps in the road along the way.

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I get that epic deserves backlash for exclusivity deals, which I think is very anti-consumer.

Then we agree.

Competition is where a company makes a better product/service than the other guy to sway consumers over to them. I'll agree that it's difficult to compete with Steam, which has had a 19 year, basically unopposed head start. (Back in 2008 Epic went on record to say PC gaming was dead, and console was the future.) Steam is very well established and feature rich. It took Valve a long time to get Steam where it is today, and it would take any potential competitor a long time to get to the point where they actually pose a competitive risk to Steam.

Companies like Epic don't want to wait that long though. They want a shortcut. They want to be where Steam is now, without all the time and effort it took Steam to get there.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Haruspex; 2022. dec. 21., 8:16

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Dobke 2022. dec. 21., 9:44

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:
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From my understanding the majority of steam users share a hatred to companies that have their own launchers or store fronts to publish and release their games.

That's not a hatred of competition. People just want if they buy a game on steam to not have to use ANOTHER launcher to play your game. Nothing against the competition

Okay, so we can buy it on their respective launchers right?

How is it reasonable to
1: Read the steam disclaimer that the product uses a 3rd party launcher and DRM
2: Know that what you're buying uses a separate launcher
3: proceed to buy it anyway
4: Launch the game, sees launcher on screen, acts surprised Pikachu face and give a negative review only based on the fact that product uses 3rd party launcher and DRM.

Very reasonable steam users aren't they

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Brian9824 2022. dec. 21., 10:04

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That's not a hatred of competition. People just want if they buy a game on steam to not have to use ANOTHER launcher to play your game. Nothing against the competition

Okay, so we can buy it on their respective launchers right?

How is it reasonable to
1: Read the steam disclaimer that the product uses a 3rd party launcher and DRM
2: Know that what you're buying uses a separate launcher
3: proceed to buy it anyway
4: Launch the game, sees launcher on screen, acts surprised Pikachu face and give a negative review only based on the fact that product uses 3rd party launcher and DRM.

Very reasonable steam users aren't they

Personally I don't care, but again, not liking it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with not wanting competition.

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eram 2022. dec. 21., 10:17

Dobkey eredeti hozzászólása:
Steam started as a platform for valve to provide and update their games.

EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Microsoft tries the same thing and they're bad.

Why is steam having competition a bad thing?

I get that epic deserves backlash for exclusivity deals, which I think is very anti-consumer.

all half life games are exclusive to steam

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Brian9824 2022. dec. 21., 10:20

eram eredeti hozzászólása:
Dobkey eredeti hozzászólása:
Steam started as a platform for valve to provide and update their games.

EA, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Microsoft tries the same thing and they're bad.

Why is steam having competition a bad thing?

I get that epic deserves backlash for exclusivity deals, which I think is very anti-consumer.

all half life games are exclusive to steam

No one faults a developer for having their own games be exclusive on their own platform. People take offense at EPIC because rather then invest the money to create a product people WANT to use, they invest the money to deprive other stores of being able to carry 3rd party games.

It's like if your a burger place with poor quality burgers and instead of spending money to improve your burgers, you spend it instead to make it so your competitors can't sell burgers.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Brian9824; 2022. dec. 21., 10:21

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eram 2022. dec. 21., 10:21

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all half life games are exclusive to steam

No one faults a developer for having their own games be exclusive on their own platform. People take offense at EPIC because rather then invest the money to create a product people WANT to use, they invest the money to deprive other locations of being able to use it.

It's like if your a burger place with poor quality burgers and instead of spending money to improve your burgers, you spend it instead to make it so your competitors can't sell burgers.

its meant to be bad car analogies not burgers

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Brian9824 2022. dec. 21., 10:23

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No one faults a developer for having their own games be exclusive on their own platform. People take offense at EPIC because rather then invest the money to create a product people WANT to use, they invest the money to deprive other locations of being able to use it.

It's like if your a burger place with poor quality burgers and instead of spending money to improve your burgers, you spend it instead to make it so your competitors can't sell burgers.
its meant to be bad car analogies not burgers

Ok replace burger with Van, there you go. The point remains the issue people have is that RESTRICTING user choice isn't a very user friendly marketing ploy, and one that is working out very poorly for EPIC.

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Paratech2008 2022. dec. 21., 10:34

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Guys, you're not new to steam, come on, acting like an oblivious fool "huh duh who said it's bad" when you can easily see reviews berating companies that have their own platform to sell games saying it sucks and all. Let's not do that

I never said that. Policies of those companies have bothered me and others, but then again I have a few games on Uplay, Origin, and many on GOG.

Thing is what do the other stores do that Steam doesn't, and what is the advantage of having them in another store?

GOG = DRM Free. Also to not have all my games on one store so if either go down, I don't lose everything.

My beef with Epic is I like messageboards, reviews (even by people refunding) a store that at least functions as well as Steam, GOG, Origin. Epic doesn't do squat.

The fact Epic has to do exclusive deals and bribe people for accounts / free games doesn't sit well with me. It's like the pizza service I see advertising they deliver using electric cars and plan on getting more. Ok, I'll bite, why would I buy their food because of how it's delivered. I want quality food not a specific method of delivering it.

Also Epic doesn't invest in improving their store. Are they in it for the long run or not?

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