Achievement cheaters ?

[Soul]

Why steam don't do anything about achievement cheaters ? I see ton of profiles with a lot of games 100% when I check the stats ! all the achievement have been done in the same time and steam really don't care

[WhatZit]

People coming from other gaming platforms like XBox & PS are often surprised that Steam achievements have no tangible "reward" value, like cosmetics, titles, etc.

This is because those other platforms use dedicated hardware and server-side authentication that curtail cheating, thus they can verify which players have actually performed the tasks required.

Not Steam. It uses generic hardware, be it PC, Mac or SteamDeck, running under Windows, IOS or Linux. Steam only enforces rudimentary anti-cheat processes for these, mainly to stymie online multiplayer cheaters. The player is otherwise free to run any other type of program or hack they like.

To secure Steam achievements on such a broad range of target systems would require wholesale changes to the way Steam works with computers and servers. It's a hell of a lot of work and a drastic change: think VAC times 100.

So, Valve had two choices: change their entire architecture so achievements have verifiable value, or allow achievements to have no value whatsoever (other than fun) and therefore not care about cheaters.

They chose the latter, and I don't see them EVER choosing to pursue the former.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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cheaters dont win and winners wont cheat?

Close, but not exactly. Cheat mean it give one player an unfair advantage over other players and that limited their K/D rate. So modifying achievements is not cheats, but it doesn't not mean they won't banned you for it. At least, that is how the steam's anti cheat definition it.

VAC does not consider SAM a cheat. There is evidence of this in the form of using using SAM for years while connecting to VAC servers without a ban.

[BJWyler]

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OK. Valve may change their minds. How is that unsafe? For argument's sake, let's say Valve is somehow able to make achievements more secure, even though the quote you posted indicates that they are unable to make them more secure. But let's say they can. How does that make modifying/cheating them unsafe?

Let's say that right after I finish posting this comment, I go into the files of my Farming Simulator 15 game and edit my save game file to obtain the last achievement I have left. How is that unsafe today?

Because it mean no "modifying achievements is safe ". Which it mean it is do it at your own risk. How many time do I have to say it?

All you are saying is that it is risky or unsafe to modify achievements. But you are not saying how it is unsafe or risky. What about it makes it unsafe or risky? What is unsafe or risky about me modifying my save game in FS15 to get the final achievement? What will happen to me if I do that?

[BJWyler]

Escrito originalmente por WhatZit:

So, Valve had two choices: change their entire architecture so achievements have verifiable value, or allow achievements to have no value whatsoever (other than fun) and therefore not care about cheaters.

They chose the latter, and I don't see them EVER choosing to pursue the former.

Not to mention that Valve would need to get developers on board as well. Securing achievements may prevent SAM from being viable, but there are many other ways to cheat achievements. Preventing the modification of game files wouldn't be feasible for every game. And what about in game methods of cheating achievements? Heck, the Steam Console itself has commands that manipulate achievements. So in reality, it's simply not practical to do so in the PC ecosystem.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

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It isn't my standards, it's Valve's.

Using SAM will not result in a ban from Valve. Valve has show no interest in stopping SAM use as per the interview posted.

With what evidence that claimed use SAM won't result in a ban? Also you said "no interest" which it mean no to "modifying achievements is safe.

Again what do you want from me? I can't just change my mind for you and follow your own standards.

Used SAM half a dozen times to pop bugged achievements over the years, Do you see any bans on my account? There's my evidence.

[Komarimaru]

Heh, yet another thread where James is proven wrong over and over again. What a ride to wake up to 50 replies of their tears and sadness that no one agrees with them.

SAM is safe to use, period. I've shown an email where they don't care, interviews they don't care, and the cost alone to create a backend to log and record every users achievements would cost valve so much money, that they'd need a monthly fee like console players.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Heh, yet another thread where James is proven wrong over and over again. What a ride to wake up to 50 replies of their tears and sadness that no one agrees with them.

SAM is safe to use, period. I've shown an email where they don't care, interviews they don't care, and the cost alone to create a backend to log and record every users achievements would cost valve so much money, that they'd need a monthly fee like console players.

The issue is James is arguing with a whataboutism. AKA "Well what IF steam does? You never know."

But then tries to ask for proof on why steam currently doesn't.

Trying to argue speculation vs current fact, is illogical at best.

[Jamebonds1]

Escrito originalmente por KittenGrindr:

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Close, but not exactly. Cheat mean it give one player an unfair advantage over other players and that limited their K/D rate. So modifying achievements is not cheats, but it doesn't not mean they won't banned you for it. At least, that is how the steam's anti cheat definition it.

VAC does not consider SAM a cheat. There is evidence of this in the form of using using SAM for years while connecting to VAC servers without a ban.

Huh? I never said SAM is a cheat.

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Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Because it mean no "modifying achievements is safe ". Which it mean it is do it at your own risk. How many time do I have to say it?

All you are saying is that it is risky or unsafe to modify achievements. But you are not saying how it is unsafe or risky. What about it makes it unsafe or risky? What is unsafe or risky about me modifying my save game in FS15 to get the final achievement? What will happen to me if I do that?

And I will keep say it mean no to "modifying achievements is safe ". What do you want from me? Even better, why don't you just give it up fighting with me?

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

With what evidence that claimed use SAM won't result in a ban? Also you said "no interest" which it mean no to "modifying achievements is safe.

Again what do you want from me? I can't just change my mind for you and follow your own standards.

Used SAM half a dozen times to pop bugged achievements over the years, Do you see any bans on my account? There's my evidence.

Sorry, but it is not evidence im looking for. I want to see evidence that Steam employees say yes to "modifying achievements is safe ".

[Komarimaru]

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Heh, yet another thread where James is proven wrong over and over again. What a ride to wake up to 50 replies of their tears and sadness that no one agrees with them.

SAM is safe to use, period. I've shown an email where they don't care, interviews they don't care, and the cost alone to create a backend to log and record every users achievements would cost valve so much money, that they'd need a monthly fee like console players.

The issue is James is arguing with a whataboutism. AKA "Well what IF steam does? You never know."

But then tries to ask for proof on why steam currently doesn't.

Trying to argue speculation vs current fact, is illogical at best.

Agreed. Doesn't help they are unable to understand facts or read. They at least admitted their illiteracy in another thread finally, even though it was obvious from their posts.

They need to realize, opinions is not fact, and maybe to not post unless they can contribute or have some valid points themselves. Instead they post BS, and when shown wrong, ramble and rave about standards, and to block them if don't like it. Kinda sad really.

[Jamebonds1]

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Heh, yet another thread where James is proven wrong over and over again. What a ride to wake up to 50 replies of their tears and sadness that no one agrees with them.

SAM is safe to use, period. I've shown an email where they don't care, interviews they don't care, and the cost alone to create a backend to log and record every users achievements would cost valve so much money, that they'd need a monthly fee like console players.

With no right evidence proved. I have a suggestion for you. Why not just leave me alone as i did nothing wrong with my first comment here? It will be better for us.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Escrito originalmente por KittenGrindr:

VAC does not consider SAM a cheat. There is evidence of this in the form of using using SAM for years while connecting to VAC servers without a ban.

Huh? I never said SAM is a cheat.

Escrito originalmente por BJWyler:

All you are saying is that it is risky or unsafe to modify achievements. But you are not saying how it is unsafe or risky. What about it makes it unsafe or risky? What is unsafe or risky about me modifying my save game in FS15 to get the final achievement? What will happen to me if I do that?

And I will keep say it mean no to "modifying achievements is safe ". What do you want from me? Even better, why don't you just give it up fighting with me?

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Used SAM half a dozen times to pop bugged achievements over the years, Do you see any bans on my account? There's my evidence.

Sorry, but it is not evidence im looking for. I want to see evidence that Steam employees say yes to "modifying achievements is safe ".

So you're continually moving the goalposts. Got it. Thanks for telling us you've no actual experience or intention for debate.

Take your confirmation bias elsewhere.

[Jamebonds1]

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Huh? I never said SAM is a cheat.


And I will keep say it mean no to "modifying achievements is safe ". What do you want from me? Even better, why don't you just give it up fighting with me?


Sorry, but it is not evidence im looking for. I want to see evidence that Steam employees say yes to "modifying achievements is safe ".

So you're continually moving the goalposts. Got it. Thanks for telling us you've no actual experience or intention for debate.

Take your confirmation bias elsewhere.

I'm not complying your order. You are not a mods.

[Komarimaru]

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Heh, yet another thread where James is proven wrong over and over again. What a ride to wake up to 50 replies of their tears and sadness that no one agrees with them.

SAM is safe to use, period. I've shown an email where they don't care, interviews they don't care, and the cost alone to create a backend to log and record every users achievements would cost valve so much money, that they'd need a monthly fee like console players.

With no right evidence proved. I have a suggestion for you. Why not just leave me alone as i did nothing wrong with my first comment here? It will be better for us.

Leave you alone? What ever do you mean? Correcting your fallacies, lies and BS is perfectly in my right, as is everyone's right, in these forums.

Take your own advice and don't post if it offends you?

Or, wait... as you always say. "Just block me on move on" Hey, James? Has it not dawned on you yet, why not a single soul ever agrees with you? Could it be because you've yet to post anything factually correct and you just raid threads with spam for attention?

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

So you're continually moving the goalposts. Got it. Thanks for telling us you've no actual experience or intention for debate.

Take your confirmation bias elsewhere.

I'm not complying your order. You are not a mods.

Nope, I'm not. I'm just tired of people trying to argue whataboutisms and speculations as fact.

[Jamebonds1]

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

With no right evidence proved. I have a suggestion for you. Why not just leave me alone as i did nothing wrong with my first comment here? It will be better for us.

Leave you alone? What ever do you mean? Correcting your fallacies, lies and BS is perfectly in my right, as is everyone's right, in these forums.

Take your own advice and don't post if it offends you?

Or, wait... as you always say. "Just block me on move on" Hey, James? Has it not dawned on you yet, why not a single soul ever agrees with you? Could it be because you've yet to post anything factually correct and you just raid threads with spam for attention?

With what evidence? Where does steam employees said yes to "modifying achievements is safe "? Because I don't see yes yet.

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Escrito originalmente por Jamebonds1:

I'm not complying your order. You are not a mods.

Nope, I'm not. I'm just tired of people trying to argue whataboutisms and speculations as fact.

Then just leave me alone and ignore it. I'm not here to be anyone's followers or make people like me.