ACTUAL CURATION?

[CyborgCats]

Where the hell is the quality control? Why are there Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money? These aren't games. Where did the old Steam go?

[thom-22]

It's been a few years now since Steam stopped being a curated shop and became just another appstore.

There might be better articles but this is the one i could find.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186168/Gabe_Newells_vision_for_Steam_More_choice_more_democracy_less_Greenlight.php#.US1YEDCyBZ_

[Ishraqiyun]

GOG curates still, but their prices (in my region) are atrocious.

[76561198001062896]

Want curation? Steam Greenlight

Managed by the commu.. Oh wait

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cyborgcats eredeti hozzászólása:

Where the hell is the quality control? Why are there Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money? These aren't games. Where did the old Steam go?

Can you please point to "Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money"?

At least two of them, since you used a plural.

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cyborgcats eredeti hozzászólása:

Where the hell is the quality control? Why are there Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money? These aren't games. Where did the old Steam go?

Can you please point to "Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money"?

At least two of them, since you used a plural.

To be fair there were cases of Unity default assets sold as a game, such as the billion copies of Unitz/Uncrowded/that gta copycat game from flash sites..

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Zetikla eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

Can you please point to "Unity and Unreal Engine default preset tutorials being sold for money"?

At least two of them, since you used a plural.

To be fair there were cases of Unity default assets sold as a game, such as the billion copies of Unitz/Uncrowded/that gta copycat game from flash sites..

Well that's why I asked people to name some.

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thom-22 eredeti hozzászólása:

It's been a few years now since Steam stopped being a curated shop and became just another appstore.

There might be better articles but this is the one i could find.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186168/Gabe_Newells_vision_for_Steam_More_choice_more_democracy_less_Greenlight.php#.US1YEDCyBZ_

Steam tried curation but every time they did there was a community backlash. The last time they tried to put their foot down was Hatred... saw how that went. In short Valve lets consumers decide what they want to spend their money on. And there are curator grouops so you're free to pick one.

Also not sure if GoG curates so much as fewer people want to publish their games on GoG.

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Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

thom-22 eredeti hozzászólása:

It's been a few years now since Steam stopped being a curated shop and became just another appstore.

There might be better articles but this is the one i could find.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186168/Gabe_Newells_vision_for_Steam_More_choice_more_democracy_less_Greenlight.php#.US1YEDCyBZ_

Steam tried curation but every time they did there was a community backlash. The last time they tried to put their foot down was Hatred... saw how that went. In short Valve lets consumers decide what they want to spend their money on. And there are curator grouops so you're free to pick one.

Also not sure if GoG curates so much as fewer people want to publish their games on GoG.

GOG has been known to reject games from going on their site, which is why there are no games localized/published by Nyu-Media on GOG.

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Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam tried curation but every time they did there was a community backlash. The last time they tried to put their foot down was Hatred... saw how that went. In short Valve lets consumers decide what they want to spend their money on. And there are curator grouops so you're free to pick one.

Also not sure if GoG curates so much as fewer people want to publish their games on GoG.

GOG has been known to reject games from going on their site, which is why there are no games localized/published by Nyu-Media on GOG.

Who?

[thom-22]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Steam tried curation but every time they did there was a community backlash. The last time they tried to put their foot down was Hatred... saw how that went. In short Valve lets consumers decide what they want to spend their money on. And there are curator grouops so you're free to pick one.

The Hatred situation isn't really curation though. A store deciding (waffling, in this case) on whether or not to carry one controversial product isn't the same as having an ongoing system to evaluate all potential products, as Valve used to do.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Also not sure if GoG curates so much as fewer people want to publish their games on GoG.

For those of us who remember the old curated Steam, it's somewhat ironic that GoG uses sales on Steam as one criteria for their own curation.

Anyway, the point of my post is that the non-curated Steam is not an accident but a purposeful decision by Valve around the timeframe the article I linked came out (before Hatred).

[thom-22]

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

GOG has been known to reject games from going on their site, which is why there are no games localized/published by Nyu-Media on GOG.

Not familiar with Nyu-Media, but yes, GOG is definitely curated. I know a few small studios making Kickstarter-funded adventure games have had trouble getting on GOG.

[Mofuji]

With Hatred, there was no actual game quality reason given as to why the game should have been pulled, rather it was a knee jerk reaction to the moralistic panic and somebody abused their power to remove a game that shouldn't have been pulled merely because of it.

With games like Air Control and Earth: Year 2066, they were broken, defective scam cash grabs made by devs who openly abused their power on the forums to censor all dissent and criticism. They were eventually pulled, but they never should have gotten onto Steam in the first place because of their notorious poor quality and stolen assets.

Now we have Greenlight which is being heavily and openly abused by groups like Yolo Army who are using people's natural greed for free stuff to help push games that would otherwise never actually make it through the process.

Placing curation responsibility at the feet of users does not work, even with the bandage of refunds. It does nothing but erode Steam’s value and shakes consumer confidence to its very core.

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Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

GOG has been known to reject games from going on their site, which is why there are no games localized/published by Nyu-Media on GOG.

Who?

Nyu-Media has localized/published a variety of Japanese indie games, including the Alltynex trilogy (Alltynex 2nd, Kamui, RefleX), the eXceed trilogy, Fairy Bloom Freesia, Ether Vapor Remaster, Cherry Tree High Comedy Club, games made by Astro-Port (Satazius, Armed Seven, Gigantic Army, etc.), Eryi's Action, Yatagarasu, and others.

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Nyu%20Media

The story I've heard is that, a while back, they tried to get their stuff onto GOG, and GOG basically gave them the cold shoulder, saying that their games didn't really fit in GOG's catalogue. Since then, Nyu-Media has responded in kind, ignoring GOG.

You can usually get DRM-free versions of their stuff on Humble Store and in bundles.

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Mofuji eredeti hozzászólása:

With Hatred, there was no actual game quality reason given as to why the game should have been pulled, rather it was a knee jerk reaction to the moralistic panic and somebody abused their power to remove a game that shouldn't have been pulled merely because of it.

That's sorta what curation is . Someone, sits down and decides whether or not you should have the opttion of buying a game or nort based on their own subjective metrics. Steam basically took the approach of logic.

Every product has a buyer. So in excluding a product from your store you are invariably discriminating against those who would wish to purchase that product. So, the obvious soplution. Let people decide fror themselves. Let us be honest. No bad game ever looked good. Anyone with five functional braincells can spot the difference between a game they will enjoy and a game they won't. So, Steam lets the games on and the genuinely crap games will basically fade away.

Of course as said if you want someone else to choose what you should have the option of buying there are several curation groups to choose from.

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http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Nyu%20Media

The story I've heard is that, a while back, they tried to get their stuff onto GOG, and GOG basically gave them the cold shoulder, saying that their games didn't really fit in GOG's catalogue. Since then, Nyu-Media has responded in kind, ignoring GOG.

You can usually get DRM-free versions of their stuff on Humble Store and in bundles.

I amn downloading a few of their demos as I type this. Beat-em uops, bullet hell shooters. Most seem to ghave a fairly positive review score.....huh...

[Mofuji]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Mofuji eredeti hozzászólása:

With Hatred, there was no actual game quality reason given as to why the game should have been pulled, rather it was a knee jerk reaction to the moralistic panic and somebody abused their power to remove a game that shouldn't have been pulled merely because of it.

That's sorta what curation is . Someone, sits down and decides whether or not you should have the opttion of buying a game or nort based on their own subjective metrics. Steam basically took the approach of logic.

Every product has a buyer. So in excluding a product from your store you are invariably discriminating against those who would wish to purchase that product. So, the obvious soplution. Let people decide fror themselves. Let us be honest. No bad game ever looked good. Anyone with five functional braincells can spot the difference between a game they will enjoy and a game they won't. So, Steam lets the games on and the genuinely crap games will basically fade away.

Of course as said if you want someone else to choose what you should have the option of buying there are several curation groups to choose from.

If expecting a store to sell a product that is free from stolen assets and glaring defects is a bad thing, then give it to me, because what we have now is atrocious.