JAST reached out to Valve/Steam about Muramasa and were told "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

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JAST (@jastusa)
There has been some interest in a #SaveMuramasa campaign to get Full Metal Daemon Muramasa's Steam ban reversed. We reached out to Valve in light of the Chaos;Head situation, and they assured us "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/1580302000348049408

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Originalmente postado por м:

Originalmente postado por Lustrous Spirit:

one that literally is repeated every other week on this forum that it might as well have its own echo chamber.

You mean just like the repeated scream for unbanning fetish games?

You see, you can keep trolling, or you start accepting that there are normal people on this platform as well. For fetish stuff there are probably other stores.

I wish you a nice day.

Oh bloody hell your actually already in the echo chember, forget I said anything, have fun with the other karens in there mate, I wish you luck if anything else.

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Originalmente postado por м:

Originalmente postado por Lustrous Spirit:

one that literally is repeated every other week on this forum that it might as well have its own echo chamber.

You mean just like the repeated scream for unbanning fetish games?

You see, you can keep trolling, or you start accepting that there are normal people on this platform as well. For fetish stuff there are probably other stores.

I wish you a nice day.

You literally came here, imposed your biased opinions, called people creepy and when they respond back you say they are trolling?

If you think people who play anime games, watch, read or whatever are creepy then I feel bad for you, kind of pitifu and I hope that you get the mental help that you need.

[Start_Running]

Originalmente postado por Lustrous Spirit:

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Yup. And of course they use language that of course paints them as the victim. WHich is why I made the point that there's a clarification between 'rejected' and 'banned'.
You can think of it as. Rejected means to didn't get in , banned means you were kicked out.


It is an old an venerable genere in the east due to the way their language structure works.

I think the ones who did the most graceful "bow out" and I actually do mean this in a good light, was Paradise Project, they had nearly 50ish plus VN's on steam and all of them while censored, had adult patches that you could get from their DL site, rather then try to fight Valve when they were confronted, they actually respectfully accepted Valves wishes to remove the games and they actually went and did so and thanks to that, Valve allowed those that owned their games to keep them, I still have mine despite their dev store being gone now, thats the grace of this situation, when you dont fight valve but actually nod and remove the games, you keep the ones you bought.

Actually even if a game gets banned, those that bought them get to keep them. There are very few conditions underwhich Valve will revoke ownership.

But I can respect that bow out. And The truth is. that was a move Valve was poushed into making based on outside pressures.

CHances are the dev can at any time bring the games back, which likely is the true benefit of being gracious. You don't burn your bridges.

[Lord Bidón]

For those interested, game is at -35% discount at GOG right now.

It can work on the Steam Deck with Lutris and some fixes, according to this youtube video. Dunno if the guide is for the GOG, or the jast store version, though.

Didn't realize until now how easy makes Steam to play and install games on linux... wonder if it will have performance issues because of the shader cache thing...

[Ogami]

Originalmente postado por Lustrous Spirit:

I think the ones who did the most graceful "bow out" and I actually do mean this in a good light, was Paradise Project, they had nearly 50ish plus VN's on steam and all of them while censored, had adult patches that you could get from their DL site, rather then try to fight Valve when they were confronted, they actually respectfully accepted Valves wishes to remove the games and they actually went and did so and thanks to that, Valve allowed those that owned their games to keep them, I still have mine despite their dev store being gone now, thats the grace of this situation

That has nothing to do with gracefully "bowing out".
Steam is not allowed to remove access to games that customers bought, that would be a legal nightmare.
I own nearly 200+ games from companies who left Steam or got kicked off for breaking the rules and i can still access all 200 games and download/play them.
And many of those companies parted with Valve under the most non "graceful" terms.

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Originalmente postado por Ogami:

Originalmente postado por Lustrous Spirit:

I think the ones who did the most graceful "bow out" and I actually do mean this in a good light, was Paradise Project, they had nearly 50ish plus VN's on steam and all of them while censored, had adult patches that you could get from their DL site, rather then try to fight Valve when they were confronted, they actually respectfully accepted Valves wishes to remove the games and they actually went and did so and thanks to that, Valve allowed those that owned their games to keep them, I still have mine despite their dev store being gone now, thats the grace of this situation

That has nothing to do with gracefully "bowing out".
Steam is not allowed to remove access to games that customers bought, that would be a legal nightmare.

They can but as you might imagine they don't. I think the only case where that happened was where rthe publisher had no legal right to sell the game in the first place. Usually in such cases Valve tries to work something out with the actual rights holder but failing that they are legally obligated to yank.

They usually leave matters of revocation up to the publisher/developers themselves.

[Dimebag]

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Originalmente postado por Ogami:

That has nothing to do with gracefully "bowing out".
Steam is not allowed to remove access to games that customers bought, that would be a legal nightmare.

They can but as you might imagine they don't. I think the only case where that happened was where rthe publisher had no legal right to sell the game in the first place. Usually in such cases Valve tries to work something out with the actual rights holder but failing that they are legally obligated to yank.

They usually leave matters of revocation up to the publisher/developers themselves.

A third party can remove our liscence we bought? Nope.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

They can but as you might imagine they don't. I think the only case where that happened was where rthe publisher had no legal right to sell the game in the first place. Usually in such cases Valve tries to work something out with the actual rights holder but failing that they are legally obligated to yank.

They usually leave matters of revocation up to the publisher/developers themselves.

A third party can remove our liscence we bought? Nope.

They actually can. Look into the EULA of any online-only game and Steam. They all reserve the right to remove access to your account for violations of their ToS.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

In rare cases, accounts are suspended in order to ensure they can't be accessed. This may be done because the account has been used for illegal activity, or to prevent the account's use until it can be restored to its owner in cases where a lock might not suffice.

Before Steam's current Account Deletion option was introduced, accounts could be Terminated on request which among other things, suspended the account.

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Originalmente postado por KittenGrindr:

Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

A third party can remove our liscence we bought? Nope.

They actually can. Look into the EULA of any online-only game and Steam. They all reserve the right to remove access to your account for violations of their ToS.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

Account Locks are issued for various reasons related to violations of the Steam Subscriber Agreement. Some locks are intended to freeze an account in its current state until the account's owner contacts Steam Support to resolve the issue, and others are intended as temporary or permanent restrictions applied in response to a violation of Steam's rules. Any account lock's notification message will tell you what's restricted and why.

Of course you can loose it for breaking terms, but in the case of removal the purchaser is not at fault and still has access to a product they bought and used within the liscensed terms.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

Originalmente postado por KittenGrindr:

They actually can. Look into the EULA of any online-only game and Steam. They all reserve the right to remove access to your account for violations of their ToS.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4F62-35F9-F395-5C23

Of course you can loose it for breaking terms, but in the case of removal the purchaser is not at fault and still has access to a product they bought and used within the liscensed terms.

I quoted the wrong part. They can literally lock you out of your account which means you cannot access any of your purchases. I edited the right quote in.

If it gets to that point, the purchaser is definitely at fault because of the very extreme and limited nature of the punishment.

[Ogami]

And to be honest i yet have to see a legit claim of someone losing their entire account, no matter what shenanigans they were up to.
The harshest penalty seems to be a "suspended" account, meaning you can no longer use the forums, buy games or activate keys and lose basically all Steam functions but can still download and play all the games you previously payed for.
So even in that case you dont really "lose" your purchased items.

[Dimebag]

Originalmente postado por KittenGrindr:

Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

Of course you can loose it for breaking terms, but in the case of removal the purchaser is not at fault and still has access to a product they bought and used within the liscensed terms.

I quoted the wrong part. They can literally lock you out of your account which means you cannot access any of your purchases. I edited the right quote in.

If it gets to that point, the purchaser is definitely at fault because of the very extreme and limited nature of the punishment.

If they did that with no reason I believe you would have every right to claim for loss and damages.

I am talking in relation to access to bought liscences on the platform and their legal use as per the agreement. Wether or not they still sell it is irrelevant as the liscence is in my online library.

Many titles have been removed over the years but access has not for owners. Back when Steam was first allowing more adult content on Steam a title was promptly banned within a week of release yet I still have it in my library and can download and play the title.

But anyone violating TOS is going to be dealt with regardless of the liscencing issue.

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Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

They can but as you might imagine they don't. I think the only case where that happened was where rthe publisher had no legal right to sell the game in the first place. Usually in such cases Valve tries to work something out with the actual rights holder but failing that they are legally obligated to yank.

They usually leave matters of revocation up to the publisher/developers themselves.

A third party can remove our liscence we bought? Nope.

they can and it has happened. You will occasionally see people complaining that keys they bought from some shady ssite suddenly got revoked.. Though it does happen with legit sites too, diff being the legit ones are restored or replaced .

They can also do it if you break the Eula.

Originalmente postado por Ogami:

And to be honest i yet have to see a legit claim of someone losing their entire account, no matter what shenanigans they were up to.
The harshest penalty seems to be a "suspended" account, meaning you can no longer use the forums, buy games or activate keys and lose basically all Steam functions but can still download and play all the games you previously payed for.
So even in that case you dont really "lose" your purchased items.

Valve's method of dealing with this sort of things is to basically strip away the features tyou're abusing. Though I'm quite sure some numbnut did manage to get their account yoinked. They have reserved the totally legal right to do so. But they do so VERY sparingly. It's basically the Orbital Strike option.

[Dimebag]

Originalmente postado por Start_Running:

Originalmente postado por Dimebag:

A third party can remove our liscence we bought? Nope.

they can and it has happened. You will occasionally see people complaining that keys they bought from some shady ssite suddenly got revoked.. Though it does happen with legit sites too, diff being the legit ones are restored or replaced .

They can also do it if you break the Eula.

Originalmente postado por Ogami:

And to be honest i yet have to see a legit claim of someone losing their entire account, no matter what shenanigans they were up to.
The harshest penalty seems to be a "suspended" account, meaning you can no longer use the forums, buy games or activate keys and lose basically all Steam functions but can still download and play all the games you previously payed for.
So even in that case you dont really "lose" your purchased items.

Valve's method of dealing with this sort of things is to basically strip away the features tyou're abusing. Though I'm quite sure some numbnut did manage to get their account yoinked. They have reserved the totally legal right to do so. But they do so VERY sparingly. It's basically the Orbital Strike option.

So I was right, as long as you utilise the platform according to TOS your product will be available and in your Library.

I know everyone here is trying to show me the exceptions but the TOPIC is a sold liscence on Steam removed from a purchaser?

No.

[Start_Running]

Yes. Under normal circumstance you will retain you product as a rule. The only real exception as pointed out will be if you obtained the license fraudulently, or if the dev/opub had no legal right to actually sell the title in the first place and the real rights holder requests the removal.