JAST reached out to Valve/Steam about Muramasa and were told "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

[xHans]

JAST (@jastusa)
There has been some interest in a #SaveMuramasa campaign to get Full Metal Daemon Muramasa's Steam ban reversed. We reached out to Valve in light of the Chaos;Head situation, and they assured us "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/1580302000348049408

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cSg|mc-Hotsauce の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Some how I'm wondering what's going on here. I think maybe the use of the word 'ban' is being misapplied here because a game being banned is different from say a game bing rejected.

To the developers, ban = rejected.

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Yeah....and therein lies the sticky wicket. Take CHaos Head. That was a rejection. Not a ban.

[xHans]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

cSg|mc-Hotsauce の投稿を引用：

To the developers, ban = rejected.

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Yeah....and therein lies the sticky wicket. Take CHaos Head. That was a rejection. Not a ban.

No need to play the semantics game. Rejected or banned at the end of the day a publisher got rejected to appeal a game "ban/rejection" and nothing really changed.

btw this is how the visual novel page looks like when you have sex literally on the thumbnail.

Edit: (deleted link) Yeah, I can't post that here since it's pornographic.

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xHans の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Yeah....and therein lies the sticky wicket. Take CHaos Head. That was a rejection. Not a ban.

No need to play the semantics game. Rejected or banned at the end of the day a publisher got rejected to appeal a game "ban/rejection" and nothing really changed.

It's a bit of a difference. It's the difference between being denied entry to a pub because you don't meet the dress code. and being barred entry to the pub because your name is on the list of people not allowed within 30 feet.

With rejection as was the case with Chaos head you can simply resubmit after addressing the faults that lead to the rejection. If you're banned however, that usually implies you did a naughty and steam does not want to do any business with you.

[Dimebag]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

xHans の投稿を引用：

No need to play the semantics game. Rejected or banned at the end of the day a publisher got rejected to appeal a game "ban/rejection" and nothing really changed.

It's a bit of a difference. It's the difference between being denied entry to a pub because you don't meet the dress code. and being barred entry to the pub because your name is on the list of people not allowed within 30 feet.

With rejection as was the case with Chaos head you can simply resubmit after addressing the faults that lead to the rejection. If you're banned however, that usually implies you did a naughty and steam does not want to do any business with you.

But don't Valve work on a one strike policy with submission, part of the issue with Chasoshead being it was approved elsewhere for general sale so people promoted the issue to Steam.

If that is the case your semantics on rejection/banning really mean nothing as the outcome is the same with no avenue of recourse offered.

[Boblin the Goblin]

It's kinda weird that they won't look at it again considering GoG picked it up.

My only guess is the game claiming it deals with "sexual violence" but Valve literally has a few hentai games that are sexually violent.

Broke Girl comes to mind considering it's literally someone selling themselves to pay a debt and it does describe scenes that the main character did not consent to.

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KittenGrindr の投稿を引用：

It's kinda weird that they won't look at it again considering GoG picked it up.

My only guess is the game claiming it deals with "sexual violence" but Valve literally has a few hentai games that are sexually violent.

Broke Girl comes to mind considering it's literally someone selling themselves to pay a debt and it does describe scenes that the main character did not consent to.

That's the problem, we can only guess. Some titles get through, others don't and with no secondary application avenue it seems strange to have such a singular process when they allow EA games and all their changes to content.

And if an EA game ran into an issue with this policy would they also be struck or allowed to revert/change?

It's all clear as mud and seems to be based on the reviewers whim from what we can tell given the content already released.

[Mad Scientist]

Dimebag の投稿を引用：

But don't Valve work on a one strike policy with submission, part of the issue with Chasoshead being it was approved elsewhere for general sale so people promoted the issue to Steam.

If that is the case your semantics on rejection/banning really mean nothing as the outcome is the same with no avenue of recourse offered.

Game rejection they can still submit other titles.

Ban is that a Developer will never have any games approved by being a banned party.

No need for the OP to bring up the subject, again.

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Dimebag の投稿を引用：

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

It's a bit of a difference. It's the difference between being denied entry to a pub because you don't meet the dress code. and being barred entry to the pub because your name is on the list of people not allowed within 30 feet.

With rejection as was the case with Chaos head you can simply resubmit after addressing the faults that lead to the rejection. If you're banned however, that usually implies you did a naughty and steam does not want to do any business with you.

But don't Valve work on a one strike policy with submission, part of the issue with Chasoshead being it was approved elsewhere for general sale so people promoted the issue to Steam.

Well thats the popular narrative but looking at what is said. It seems that the game was rejected in that the devs were asked to change stuff, devs didn't want to and so the game was denied a place on steam. This kinda says that the game was evaluated, notations were made as to what needed to be changed, and had the devs chosen they could have changed the items , resubmitted for evaluation and been granted access.

It seems even in a logical sens ethat the one strike thing doesn't make sense. Especially where a dev simply might not have been aware a cerrtain bit of content would have been considered problematic prior to evaluation.

Dimebag の投稿を引用：

If that is the case your semantics on rejection/banning really mean nothing as the outcome is the same with no avenue of recourse offered.

Which is why it's important to determine whether the game was banned or rejected. It's sort of the difference between something you said being a lie, and something you said being wrong.

In the first there is an intent to decieve, in the second its a case of not knowing that the information was incorrect. So knowing which of the terms really applies is rather important here.. But much ike the word scam, the word ban gets thrown around for emotional impact rather accuracy.

SHame too I've been a long time fan of JAST games.

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Mad Scientist の投稿を引用：

Dimebag の投稿を引用：

But don't Valve work on a one strike policy with submission, part of the issue with Chasoshead being it was approved elsewhere for general sale so people promoted the issue to Steam.

If that is the case your semantics on rejection/banning really mean nothing as the outcome is the same with no avenue of recourse offered.

Game rejection they can still submit other titles.

So it is a one shot application process. I will enquire on any relevant topic without your prior approval.

[Dimebag]

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Dimebag の投稿を引用：

But don't Valve work on a one strike policy with submission, part of the issue with Chasoshead being it was approved elsewhere for general sale so people promoted the issue to Steam.

Well thats the popular narrative but looking at what is said. It seems that the game was rejected in that the devs were asked to change stuff, devs didn't want to and so the game was denied a place on steam.

But as I stated it was approved for general sale elsewhere in it's current state which is why people were confused about what the issue was on Steam.

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Mad Scientist の投稿を引用：

Ban is that a Developer will never have any games approved by being a banned party.

No need for the OP to bring up the subject, again.

What subject did I bring? You've simply fell for the trolling and got deviated away from the topic to semantics. My point is the title: "JAST reached out to Valve/Steam about Muramasa and were told "We are not re-reviewing previously banned apps."

[Lord Bidón]

Welp. It seems that the #SaveMuramasa campaign has lose steam rather quickly...
What a shame. Would have liked to get the game here.

[Ogami]

RSebire の投稿を引用：

Personally I am glad thats another game by a bunch of child molester like creeps, that call themselves computer developers, that I will never have to encounter whilst browsing the already over populated store as it is.

Its about time Steam started taking out the trash.

:lunar2020halodragon:

You are trying WAY too hard.

[Doomerang]

Steam won’t change unless they fire the bad apples that did this to begin with so there is no reason to be optimistic on valves future.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Doomerang の投稿を引用：

Steam won’t change unless they fire the bad apples that did this to begin with so there is no reason to be optimistic on valves future.

Sorry to burst your bubble but VNs not being sold on Steam won't remotely put a dent in their income.