Do some game devs encourage us to cheat achievements?

[Demigod Dan]

Yes, achievements. Meaningless and all, I know. Don't even start. If no one cared though then achievements wouldn't exist, but they do.

Achievements exist for this reason and this reason only: To enrich the game experience. It lets you set goals to achieve in a game so that some people may get more out of a game than they normally would. And it's a nice little reward for when you achieve something difficult in a game.

Now there are some devs which include an achievement for merely starting up a game. It does not enrich the game experience in any way; the only thing that it does is that your achievement progress % will be activated. There's a good reason why some people want to avoid that this happens.

So what could be the reason for these devs to include an achievement for just starting up the game? It clearly doesn't have anything to do with the reason why achievements exist, that's for sure.

Lastly, there is a program which can end up getting you VAC banned if you mess with the wrong kind of achievements, for one. It is considered to be a cheating program by many people (myself included), and there are good reasons not to use it. But currently it is the only way to keep your average % of achievements earned per game intact because it lets you remove obtained achievements, without some game that you only started up to idle for the trading cards corrupting it.

So....are these devs encouraging us to cheat by including an achievement for just starting up the game, which can only be removed by making use of a program which is widely considered as something that you should only use at your own risk?

[Albcatmastercat]

°•⎝👽⎠ Louna ⎝👽⎠•° eredeti hozzászólása:

Achievement became absurd as soon people went obessive over them.

It went so bad it lost it's meaning...
From Terraria. Again.
"I need the Rainbow Rod, for the 'chieve" <-- Not exactly that, but I don't want to dig for things...

[Start_Running]

°•⎝👽⎠ Louna ⎝👽⎠•° eredeti hozzászólása:

Achievement became absurd as soon people went obessive over them.

That's the sad part of it. I miss back when it was more about finding crazy ways to do things.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

It's bannable, and if you make your profile public then I'd be more than happy to report yours aswell.

You're welcome to do so. Nothing is stopping you from reporting my profile sweetie. Though something tells me. Nothing will come of that, no EULA ever forbade a user from using COnsole commands or the built in game cheats , or editing the config files or save states.

SO have at it darling.

incorrect, again, and we both know which programme I was referring to

[Start_Running]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

You're welcome to do so. Nothing is stopping you from reporting my profile sweetie. Though something tells me. Nothing will come of that, no EULA ever forbade a user from using COnsole commands or the built in game cheats , or editing the config files or save states.

SO have at it darling.

incorrect, again, and we both know which programme I was referring to

SAM? sweetin, SAM is not a bannable offense. . At worst it can get you VAC flagged if you use it while connected to a VAC game server.

Geez, this is etting sad . Kid , I know it's hard to deal with the idea that your e-peen is worth about as much as one of my farts, but that's the harsh truth of the world. No one cares about your achievements or how you got them.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

You're welcome to do so. Nothing is stopping you from reporting my profile sweetie. Though something tells me. Nothing will come of that, no EULA ever forbade a user from using COnsole commands or the built in game cheats , or editing the config files or save states.

SO have at it darling.

incorrect, again, and we both know which programme I was referring to

Steam Achievement Manager will indeed trigger VAC problems.

It's not exactly against the rules to mention it.

If you use it, you just use it at your own risk. But just because you use it doesn't mean Valve is going to suddenly kablam your account.

[Offensive Screen-name]

The programme is VAC bannable, and many developers game ban for it. As for Valve, it is a violation of ToS and for that if they'd like then they could ban your entire Steam account as agreed to upon creation of said Steam account.


Again, whether you care is irrelevant, being as that many, many, in fact most people care about achievements. Why cheat them? Why: to pretend that one has 100% achievements when that person cheated 76% of them.

Achievements are there to show that someone has done something difficult or rare, and cheating achievements ruins that percentage being as that the numbers are raised. Achievements are not necessarily there to compare with others, but would you have a problem with mine or someone else's "limited feeling of self-worth"? Being a nihilist is not an excuse, either. Whether you personally attach value to something is absolutely irrelevant, especially where you're but a speck of importance compared to every single person put together on Steam. You're not the centre of this universe.

That achievement unlocking programme, again, is the opposite of clever, and no developer ever expects anyone nor wants anyone to cheat achievements in that manner.

[Offensive Screen-name]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cheater%27s_Lament

[Offensive Screen-name]

Demigod Dan eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, achievements. Meaningless and all, I know. Don't even start. If no one cared though then achievements wouldn't exist, but they do.

Without going into some deep conversation about it, I feel like an achievement should only be granted for something that was atleast somewhat challenging to obtain. But these days, some devs just like to hand out an achievement for simply starting up the game for example.

Now here's another thing that a lot of people do nowadays: Idling games for the trading cards. Some of these people enjoy getting a high overall % achievement score for all games played combined aswell though. Do these people deserve to be bullied into not being allowed to idle games for a few cards just so that they're able to retain a legitimate overall achievements % score? No.

Like, it's quite obvious that the devs who do this are pretty salty about people idling their game which they've put effort into, but they are wrong by thinking this way. You see, what they don't realize is that Steam is giving them a platform, aka a chance to make money and yada yada, to promote their game on. Trading cards are a part of Steam (Community Market) and it's a fact that some Steam users buy games just because it has cards which you can obtain from em, so if they're going to include them then they automatically lose all of their rights to be salty about the above mentioned "issue".

Lastly, there's a program which lets you instantly unlock all achievements out there. So you could say "go use that then!" but that would also mess up the legitimacy of the overall % achievement score; not to mention that I'd simply feel bad using this. But honestly I don't know what's worse: bs'd by getting an achievement by starting up some stupid game about delivering pizzas which has 300 something achievements in total or using the cheating program to nullify that hit to the overall % achievements score.

It would be nice to get a discussion going about this, and see what we can do about it without having people give up part of their rights as a Steam user. Perhaps Valve could play their part aswell, like providing an easy and legitimate method which lets Steam users remove achievements which they have obtained so that it stops affecting the overall % achievements score.

all-in-all, if it's a hidden achievement, then sometimes, but generally if it's too easy and you're cheating to get it, then it's not what the developer wanted and any other belief is only an excuse for being lame at the game

[Start_Running]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cheater%27s_Lament

Joke is, that probably trippled the use of an idling program right there. Again, it was not a bannable offense. SO yeah... fuinny you should mention that. As I say kid.

Devs don't consider achievement hacking an offense.. But if you know one that does, feel free to point us to them. Otherwise... go cry into your milk.

Achievments, as saidm are meaningless, hence why devs even set acjhievements that require the use of cheats, in built or 3rd party.

[Purple Tentacle]

overkill, the payday 2 devs will forum ban anyone who uses SAM (or other cheating ways) to unlock achievments. unfortunatly there isn't a stronger way to deal with cheats (achievement and game cheats)

not that i want to get in the middle of you two as this whole conversation looks like foreplay to me

[Offensive Screen-name]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cheater%27s_Lament

Joke is, that probably trippled the use of an idling program right there. Again, it was not a bannable offense. SO yeah... fuinny you should mention that. As I say kid.

Devs don't consider achievement hacking an offense.. But if you know one that does, feel free to point us to them. Otherwise... go cry into your milk.

Achievments, as saidm are meaningless, hence why devs even set acjhievements that require the use of cheats, in built or 3rd party.

Multiple developers ban for abuse of SAM, female child, and

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

The programme is VAC bannable, and many developers game ban for it. As for Valve, it is a violation of ToS and for that if they'd like then they could ban your entire Steam account as agreed to upon creation of said Steam account.


Again, whether you care is irrelevant, being as that many, many, in fact most people care about achievements. Why cheat them? Why: to pretend that one has 100% achievements when that person cheated 76% of them.

Achievements are there to show that someone has done something difficult or rare, and cheating achievements ruins that percentage being as that the numbers are raised. Achievements are not necessarily there to compare with others, but would you have a problem with mine or someone else's "limited feeling of self-worth"? Being a nihilist is not an excuse, either. Whether you personally attach value to something is absolutely irrelevant, especially where you're but a speck of importance compared to every single person put together on Steam. You're not the centre of this universe.

That achievement unlocking programme, again, is the opposite of clever, and no developer ever expects anyone nor wants anyone to cheat achievements in that manner.

my statements all stand. READ the STEAM ToS. You seem strangely defensive on this topic.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Purple Tentacle eredeti hozzászólása:

overkill, the payday 2 devs will forum ban anyone who uses SAM (or other cheating ways) to unlock achievments. unfortunatly there isn't a stronger way to deal with cheats (achievement and game cheats)

not that i want to get in the middle of you two as this whole conversation looks like foreplay to me

developers can game ban now, as they are as I stated for SAM and misc other offenses

[Start_Running]

Purple Tentacle eredeti hozzászólása:

overkill, the payday 2 devs will forum ban anyone who uses SAM (or other cheating ways) to unlock achievments. unfortunatly there isn't a stronger way to deal with cheats (achievement and game cheats)

not that i want to get in the middle of you two as this whole conversation looks like foreplay to me

Really, and that's for using, not discussing the use of such on the forums? There's a slight difference there.

[Start_Running]

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

my statements all stand. READ the STEAM ToS. You seem strangely defensive on this topic.

Oh I did sugar,

Steam and the Content and Services may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Content and Services or modifications of Content and Services (“Cheats”). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create or use Cheats. You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats. You acknowledge and agree that either Valve or any online multiplayer host may refuse to allow you to participate in certain online multiplayer games if you use Cheats in connection with Steam or the Content and Services. Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so.

Not the key phrase their are looking at is "Unfair competitive advantage." Achievemnts offer no such advantage and so are generally seen to be outside the concern. Ergo why SAM continues to work. DO you think if Valve actually had a problem with it that they wouldn't have taken measures to counter it's spoofing process by now?

As said... neither valve nor the devs really care how you get the achievements, since they affect nothing in terms of game play. Gods. See ythis why Achievmentys should not have been brought to pC. I mean it was sort of a nice tongue in cheek joke at first but much like steam levels, the joke is pretty much ruined by people taking it waaay too serious.

SO as said,, your tepeen yardstick... is not something anyone pays attention to, or ever will.

[Offensive Screen-name]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

May Day UAW/MF Anachronist Bloc eredeti hozzászólása:

my statements all stand. READ the STEAM ToS. You seem strangely defensive on this topic.

Oh I did sugar,

Steam and the Content and Services may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Content and Services or modifications of Content and Services (“Cheats”). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create or use Cheats. You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats. You acknowledge and agree that either Valve or any online multiplayer host may refuse to allow you to participate in certain online multiplayer games if you use Cheats in connection with Steam or the Content and Services. Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so.

Not the key phrase their are looking at is "Unfair competitive advantage." Achievemnts offer no such advantage and so are generally seen to be outside the concern. Ergo why SAM continues to work. DO you think if Valve actually had a problem with it that they wouldn't have taken measures to counter it's spoofing process by now?

As said... neither valve nor the devs really care how you get the achievements, since they affect nothing in terms of game play. Gods. See ythis why Achievmentys should not have been brought to pC. I mean it was sort of a nice tongue in cheek joke at first but much like steam levels, the joke is pretty much ruined by people taking it waaay too serious.

SO as said,, your tepeen yardstick... is not something anyone pays attention to, or ever will.

You're not allowed to modify the Steam code, which is what SAM is. When did I suggest this specific section? You just assumed. As you did when you yourself used SAM to "achieve" what you're not capable of otherwise.