New rating System

[DanseMacabre]

I saw the new rating system today and thought "Wow" This is cool.
I really like it because it gives games that come out with game saving updates a chance to make a comeback.
What are your thoughts?

[Aahzmandias]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Purple Tentacle:

batman arkham knight's recent review is mostly positive.

i never paid any attention to it before and i wont now. and that is the best example i can show as to why

Here are only white knights and fanboys left, who play the game on "real gaming PC". ;)

[Taebrythn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Quint the Globular Springtail:

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Reason why i don't always listen to critics movie or game related is because sometimes its over exagerated or or it feels simply one sided instead of a neutral opinion. i can respect someone if it was more that but that is the same reason i don't believe a positive and negative review of something. that is why i tend to read a few on both sides and see if there is a common ground somewhere. maybe that might make sense.

[Angrypillow]

I like it because I feel it will be a more accurate representation of the state of a given game over time, both positive and negative. The "overall" % is typically a snapshot of the reviews a game gets within the first month or two after release. Games that improve over time with updates/fixes/etc, will greatly benefit from this. Also on the flipside, games stuck in development hell or perpetual EA with changes people don't like such as DayZ or KF2, the new system will benefit consumers as the "recent" % will be a much more accurate snapshot of how the game is being received at any given point in time.

While I see some potential for abuse in the new system which may need to be iterated on, I feel overall the new system will be a good one.

[GIR]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ThreeSon:

I like all of the changes, except I would like to have the default review tab be the "most helpful overall" instead of "most helpful recent."

THIS PLEASE.

Diposting pertama kali oleh PixelProphecy:

True. There's always a way to tamper with systems, but overall the quality and accuracy of the reviews would benefit.

I actually think the opposite. I wrote several reviews, most of them hitting the 4000 signs limit. Now I'm questioning myself why I should write new, long reviews if they only get featured for 30 days. I fear that in the long term, we will see even more "Th1S G@M€ i$ AWSUM, U §H0ULD BUY IT" crap reviews.

Instead, Steam should feature long reviews more IMO, even when they aren't that helpful (like negative reviews on games with lots of fanboys)

[ShikenNuggets]

Diposting pertama kali oleh GIR:

Instead, Steam should feature long reviews more IMO, even when they aren't that helpful (like negative reviews on games with lots of fanboys)

It's worth noting that a longer review doesn't necessarily mean it's a better review. I like this idea, but the helpfulness rating definitely needs to be part of it.

[Angrypillow]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ShikenNuggets:

Diposting pertama kali oleh GIR:

Instead, Steam should feature long reviews more IMO, even when they aren't that helpful (like negative reviews on games with lots of fanboys)

It's worth noting that a longer review doesn't necessarily mean it's a better review. I like this idea, but the helpfulness rating definitely needs to be part of it.

It's still pretty subjective. How often do you see reviews that amount to "DED GMAE WOULD UINSTALL AGAIN 0/10" which get absurdly high helpful ratings?

[DanseMacabre]

Diposting pertama kali oleh catch me™:

New rating system - disappointing!

1. Reviews can still be manipulated from the fanboys (downvoting "not recommended" reviews)!
Solution: game owner may write reviews but not vote (thumbs up or down)!

2. We need a "conditionally recommended" button!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=592615472

I like the idea of having only a recommended button as well as a report button for spam and such.

[DefunctDepth]

This is a great change to the review system. It helps properly reflects the current state of a game.

[Bravo]

In my opinion it addressed none of the serious issues harming steam's reviews in the larger picture, and likely added new issues in the future.

There will STILL be more "would uninstall again 10/10" reviews than there will be reviews which have actual useful information in them; the helpful/unhelpful rating for reviews will still be horribly abused, Free-to-plays will STILL have people install them just to give them negative reviews for being Free-to-play (seriously, this happens, apparently people have no life); and major titles/hyped games will STILL have masses of people buying it, writing a review (either way on the review scale) then never playing it again/refunding it. Oh yeah, and we'd also STILL have enormous numbers of "performance" reviews that are often largely down to poorly set up PCs/Driver issues.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Steam's practices have a consistent theme to them:

1. They don't like to police users' behavior if they don't have to.
2. They'd rather crowdsource the operation of finding the information that people want to find, by simply giving people the tools to do so and then letting them have fun. As opposed to trying to be the one-on-one retail salesperson for the customer.

[SHINOS YOU WANT CABELA'S BACK]

I quite hate the new review system, so I hope they add in an option to toggle it.

[ShikenNuggets]

Diposting pertama kali oleh I Feel Matsubara With You:

I quite hate the new review system, so I hope they add in an option to toggle it.

It still shows the Overall Score, so if you don't like it you can just ignore it.

[Contractor]

I like it, especially for early access. I think it's fair and will help me make more informed decisons based on a games current state. I usually paruse the discussion forums too. If I see a dev has abandoned a game or isn't active on the forums, I'll pass on it and wait for it to show up in a bundle.

[DanseMacabre]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Contractor:

I like it, especially for early access. I think it's fair and will help me make more informed decisons based on a games current state. I usually paruse the discussion forums too. If I see a dev has abandoned a game or isn't active on the forums, I'll pass on it and wait for it to show up in a bundle.

Agreed

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bravo:

In my opinion it addressed none of the serious issues harming steam's reviews in the larger picture, and likely added new issues in the future.

There will STILL be more "would uninstall again 10/10" reviews than there will be reviews which have actual useful information in them; the helpful/unhelpful rating for reviews will still be horribly abused, Free-to-plays will STILL have people install them just to give them negative reviews for being Free-to-play (seriously, this happens, apparently people have no life); and major titles/hyped games will STILL have masses of people buying it, writing a review (either way on the review scale) then never playing it again/refunding it. Oh yeah, and we'd also STILL have enormous numbers of "performance" reviews that are often largely down to poorly set up PCs/Driver issues.

Sometimes I look at the amount of reviews too. Of course the review system will never be perfect

[Camel Savior]

It's an improvement, but several things still need to be added.

-A "Mixed" rating option. Some games are a love/hate relationship and fall somewhere in the middle; they can't be fully endorsed but aren't Bad Rats level of garbage.

-Joke reviews need to be flagged in some form or another. Badly. Too many games that prove why Steam Greenlight is cancer end up getting high ratings because "Let's add a stupid review to it for the lolz". They either end up skyrocketing garbage to ratings they don't deserve, or drown out the legitimate reviews that are actually attempting to be honest. There is the "Funny" option but that doesn't help in any shape or form. And that doesn't even address the "I can't run this game, so it sucks" stupidity.
Alternatively, separate ratings and reviews. Still leave the "Recommended / Not Recommended" on the review itself, but add a rating system that's not tied to the reviews. People might be more inclined to an honest rating if they can't attach nonsense to their score.

Otherwise, it's a good update. They need to address the glaring issue with the reviews, though.