indecendence 2016 年 7 月 29 日 上午 4:52
Early Access games are getting out of hand.
First of all, I do think Early Access is a great feature that if implemented well would benefit both players and developers. As a software developer myself, testing a software can be time and resource consuming and costly as well. What better ways are there to allow the users to test the software in a large scale and fish out all the issues?

However, it seems that there are people complaining about developers who are releasing games which is not even close to testing phase or entirely ignoring the testers plea to fix bugs (excluding features but what is promised should be done). I can also see there are tonnes of Early Access games that never seems to be leaving Early Access at all!

In some cases, there are players who are bombarding the developers of a bug infested games when clearly there are still in Early Access stage.

Many people have different perception about Early Access games. In my opinion, Early Access means the game is already complete with all planned features, graphics, art, dialogue, engine, sound and etc all built in and able to play but not fully tested. I am sure many developers could not afford different hardware or software to serve as testing platform and it is a waste of money too. Any increase in costs will result in the increase of the game price. So Early Access should focus on bug fixing and if budget approves, some players feedback to improce the game.

I think certain measures should be taken in order to protect the interest of both players and developers in this case such as:

Early Access games should be isolated from the store to avoid confusion like Greenlight games. They should appear in another category and not appearing randomly while gamers are browsing the store.

Early Access games should NOT be allowed for sale as a full game. A fixed price tag should be affixed to all Early Access games like 1.99 USD and when purchased, they are simply signing up to be a BETA TESTER and NOT owning the full games. This way buyers will be fully aware what they are buying and developers no longer can bench on the sales to complete the game.

Once released, those volunteered to test the game shall be given a discount to purchase the game where the discount amount is decided by the developers and SHOULD be mentioned beforehand when gamers sign up as testers.

It should be understood that each develoment should come with a cost and Early Access is NOT kickstarter or a source to keep the team going and add more content while selling it since there are no promises this method will be able to sustain the development team until the product is ready.

Each Early Access game should also have a FIXED release date identified by the developers. If the release date is NOT met, ALL of the testers will know and demand for an explanation which they deserve. Even the access cost of 1.99 USD is lost, at least the damage won't be as hefty as the price tag these Early Access games has on them.

This way we can assure no developers will be abusing this feature or suffer unnecessary judgement due to players wrongly purchase the game thinking it is a full release.

Players too will be able to support their favourite developers with some assurance.
最後修改者:indecendence; 2016 年 7 月 29 日 上午 4:57
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Brian9824 2022 年 1 月 1 日 上午 8:38 
引用自 ragefifty50
引用自 Crazy Tiger
Correct. People seem to be unwilling to understand that a game not updating or finishing is a very possible outcome. So if people cannot accept that outcome, they should not buy the product.

It doesn't matter what arbitrary measures people can think up that Valve should put in according to them. It won't change that if people cannot accept the outcome that a game won't be updated or finished that the problem still lies with those people.

a game not updated or finished... a game... come on...

dont you think this may be grooming expectation a little...

there is a very good chance you might get less than you expect...
please continue if you are happy knowing you are being groomed into expecting less...

Nope, your being a perfect example of someone not reading.

You but an EA game, you get the game as is. It might never get updated.

It's as simple as that, you either buy it because your happy with it as is, or don't buy it.

If someone buys it in the hopes of it getting better, well next time read the damn warning and don't ignore it. However the problem remains the person didn't read.

Sadly steam doesn't have a magic wand to guarantee every game in the world will always finish on time with all the features the devs originally planned.....
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2022 年 1 月 1 日 上午 8:54 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 ragefifty50

a game not updated or finished... a game... come on...

dont you think this may be grooming expectation a little...

there is a very good chance you might get less than you expect...
please continue if you are happy knowing you are being groomed into expecting less...

Nope, your being a perfect example of someone not reading.

You but an EA game, you get the game as is. It might never get updated.

It's as simple as that, you either buy it because your happy with it as is, or don't buy it.

If someone buys it in the hopes of it getting better, well next time read the damn warning and don't ignore it. However the problem remains the person didn't read.

Sadly steam doesn't have a magic wand to guarantee every game in the world will always finish on time with all the features the devs originally planned.....



baulders gate 3... it means nothing to me... its not going over my head at all...

its like me saying i dont buy cheap petrol to a person that doesnt drive a car..


what you seem to be missing is...


I really like the concept of ea and people creating stuff... i have a interesting in creativity...
i think that sometimes the people thinking they can
create a game arent upto the task for what ever the
reason... may be... like... not good at problem solving or time management...

or no commitment... because they dont need have commitment...

have you ever watched a talent show were someone comes
out and they really cant sing flat notes everywhere and missed
timing and the judges give some kind and good advice and say
sorry your out..... but the singer really thinks they can sing...

its a bit like that... you heard it... but you dont want to hear it again...
but its fun to hear the person saying i am a good singer the judges dont know nothing...
Brian9824 2022 年 1 月 1 日 上午 8:58 
引用自 ragefifty50

what you seem to be missing is...


I really like the concept of ea and people creating stuff... i have a interesting in creativity...
i think that sometimes the people thinking they can
create a game arent upto the task for what ever the
reason... may be... like... not good at problem solving or time management...

or no commitment... because they dont need have commitment...
So then again don't buy it. Not sure why your trying to make it super complicated.

If you don't like the game as is, then don't buy it. Then you will never be disappointed in your purchase

Valve can't control other companies and dictate their development, force them to meet deadlines, etc.

If you feel a company doesn't have good problem solving or time management skills then you'd be an idiot if you bought their EA game....

I mean it's not like you can't just follow the game and wait for it to leave early access. You keep talking in circles over and over but it boils down to the giant disclaimer.

Only buy an EA game if you are happy with it as is, problem solved.
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2022 年 1 月 1 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 ragefifty50

what you seem to be missing is...


I really like the concept of ea and people creating stuff... i have a interesting in creativity...
i think that sometimes the people thinking they can
create a game arent upto the task for what ever the
reason... may be... like... not good at problem solving or time management...

or no commitment... because they dont need have commitment...
So then again don't buy it. Not sure why your trying to make it super complicated.

If you don't like the game as is, then don't buy it. Then you will never be disappointed in your purchase

Valve can't control other companies and dictate their development, force them to meet deadlines, etc.

If you feel a company doesn't have good problem solving or time management skills then you'd be an idiot if you bought their EA game....

I mean it's not like you can't just follow the game and wait for it to leave early access. You keep talking in circles over and over but it boils down to the giant disclaimer.

Only buy an EA game if you are happy with it as is, problem solved.

your posting a lot of words...

and your telling me to do something i dont do... i dont buy ea games... funny
Brian9824 2022 年 1 月 1 日 上午 9:05 
Cool then there is no issue except for the people who refuse to read the warning, or the exact same argument brought up by everyone who has no clue what EA is and refuses to read..
Tito Shivan 2022 年 1 月 1 日 下午 2:51 
引用自 ragefifty50
a game not updated or finished... a game... come on...

dont you think this may be grooming expectation a little...

there is a very good chance you might get less than you expect...
please continue if you are happy knowing you are being groomed into expecting less...
It may be a shocking fact to people but most games that start development don't make it to the finish line.

It even happens to big budget titles which already have the financial backing to fully develop.

Yet something normal in software development becomes a shocker when in bears the Early Access label.

Steam can't fix user's expectations and can't help projects from failing.
Davetiger 2022 年 1 月 1 日 下午 10:02 
wow people completely miss the point.
i agreed with the op that controls need to be added not that the current ea doesnt cover it i read it and when i bought i agreed to take that risk but i also think there should be a minimum requirement for them. i am talking about scam because this new model opens the doors for more and more of them and lets face it with the millions of scam emails and scam calls we get we all know people are dishonest and i would hate to see a system like ea be abused in this way so no one trusts it and stops buying them.
some are just putting in a video of a game get people to buy make all the money they think they can and stop it with next to none of the features in the video implemented. it would be no different than me selling an egg slicer and it breaks after 1 sliced egg and try to return it but they say no because it sliced that 1 egg there for it did what it said. the warning for ea covers steam from liability but the devs shouldnt be this isnt patreon or go fund me this is or was a game buying/delivery playform a trusted platform but no regulation or requirement to complete or finish opens the door for scams people are putting things on tricking people into buying the product and then walks away with all the money. this is the same as buying a car that falls apart after 1 week, even though it says "as is" there are laws in place that do not allow this and there needs to be something in ea to prevent this as well.
最後修改者:Davetiger; 2022 年 1 月 1 日 下午 11:15
Davetiger 2022 年 1 月 1 日 下午 10:25 
even something as simple as a minimum requirement of completion. they post a roadmap and they have to do the roadmap anything they add above that is great but they should have that minimum.
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2022 年 1 月 1 日 下午 11:16 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 ragefifty50
a game not updated or finished... a game... come on...

dont you think this may be grooming expectation a little...

there is a very good chance you might get less than you expect...
please continue if you are happy knowing you are being groomed into expecting less...
It may be a shocking fact to people but most games that start development don't make it to the finish line.

It even happens to big budget titles which already have the financial backing to fully develop.

Yet something normal in software development becomes a shocker when in bears the Early Access label.

Steam can't fix user's expectations and can't help projects from failing.


maybe not fix.... but improvements... can we get some visible improvement..

game/s maker/s may have flawed expectations as well.... which..
impacts games not being finished and or poor quality advancements

i hear the support for ea... but i really think the customer deserves better
than a steam banner saying not much more than -

go past this point
and we dont care what the devs
do to you good or bad....
its all your fault if you have a bad experience...
and thats all subjective.. naah naah... cya
Aachen 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 12:15 
引用自 Davetiger
even something as simple as a minimum requirement of completion. they post a roadmap and they have to do the roadmap anything they add above that is great but they should have that minimum.

To what minimal standard required work should you be forced to agree?
Crazy Tiger 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 1:02 
引用自 Davetiger
even something as simple as a minimum requirement of completion. they post a roadmap and they have to do the roadmap anything they add above that is great but they should have that minimum.
Roadmaps are just plans. Plans change. Valve knows all about that, since they are a developer themselves with cancelled and changed projects.

Besides, what you are requesting is something a publisher would do. Valve isn't the publisher of the Early Access games.
Supafly 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 1:43 
引用自 Davetiger
even something as simple as a minimum requirement of completion. they post a roadmap and they have to do the roadmap anything they add above that is great but they should have that minimum.

Right there in the WARNING may or may NOT change.

Even if Valve slapped a set of terms the developers were to stick to it'd be pointless as any company can fail. Anyone that has worked as a developer or any sort of manufacturing process would know that a roadmap/plan is subject to change. For example implementing a specific feature could turn out to be too costly and/or not go well with a part of the original plan so it gets changed or even scraped.

Warning is on the page. If someone doesn't want to accept the terms of the purchase they are free to keep their money and only purchase the product once completed, provided it makes it that far.

The vast majority of projects NEVER make it of the drawing board and even when they do they may never make it to a sell-able product. Plenty of non EA games release as bug ridden messes and pure ****. Some die and others get massive changes. Ones that get massive changes have plenty of financial backing.

For example Final Fantasy XIV released and got a huge backlash because if was absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥. Had that been a low funded product by other companies it wouldn't have gotten the changes to make it a reasonably good MMORPG.

They had plans for the game. They made the game to the plans. turned out poorly so revamped it.

Development can be hell
Tito Shivan 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 1:46 
引用自 ragefifty50
i hear the support for ea... but i really think the customer deserves better
than a steam banner saying not much more than -
What more?

Forcing devs to have Steam be a publisher and control the product will keep devs off the platform, so we're into square one of 'Why isn't this game in Steam'

Enforcing releases will put us back into square one before Early Access with games being "released" in an 'incomplete' state.

Holding financement in advance for development milestones is the very same than Steam becoming a publisher.

引用自 Davetiger
even something as simple as a minimum requirement of completion. they post a roadmap and they have to do the roadmap anything they add above that is great but they should have that minimum.
And if they don't complete it, what?

引用自 Supafly
Development can be hell
Most of the time is. But people have been used of decades of 'magic': Game is announced, magic happens and you get a game.

Early access is just showing people how much of a slaughterhouse that 'magic' is in reality.
最後修改者:Tito Shivan; 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 1:48
( ( < < <🤖> > > ) ) 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 4:23 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 ragefifty50
i hear the support for ea... but i really think the customer deserves better
than a steam banner saying not much more than -
What more?

Forcing devs to have Steam be a publisher and control the product will keep devs off the platform, so we're into square one of 'Why isn't this game in Steam'

Enforcing releases will put us back into square one before Early Access with games being "released" in an 'incomplete' state.

Holding financement in advance for development milestones is the very same than Steam becoming a publisher.

no one is forcing people to buy ea games..

no one is forcing people to make ea games...

and no structure to the process means i dont
trust buying into ea and promote that stance... subjective of course...

doesnt mean there isnt room for improvements
to make or give game makers more incentive/s
to get on with it and get it out of ea...

if i wanted to teach someone how to read
i wouldnt throw them into a room with a
book and close the door...
Supafly 2022 年 1 月 2 日 上午 5:19 
引用自 ragefifty50
引用自 Tito Shivan
What more?

Forcing devs to have Steam be a publisher and control the product will keep devs off the platform, so we're into square one of 'Why isn't this game in Steam'

Enforcing releases will put us back into square one before Early Access with games being "released" in an 'incomplete' state.

Holding financement in advance for development milestones is the very same than Steam becoming a publisher.

no one is forcing people to buy ea games..

no one is forcing people to make ea games...

and no structure to the process means i dont
trust buying into ea and promote that stance... subjective of course...

doesnt mean there isnt room for improvements
to make or give game makers more incentive/s
to get on with it and get it out of ea...

if i wanted to teach someone how to read
i wouldnt throw them into a room with a
book and close the door...

But the improvements users suggest are NOT possible. That's the sort of thing Developers and investors can set and even then everything games, spreadsheets and everything else is not 100% guarantee to make it to a final product. Even if it makes it to a final product it could be drastically different than what was planned.


Valve is no position to demand anything from EA developers. If they were Devs would likely go elsewhere. Or even worse trying to hold a dev to something could drive up costs thus making a product fail more than they already do.

You get the warning. READ IT, ACCEPT IT. Either buy in and take the risk or DON'T. Not a hard task. Nothing needs to change except USERS ignorant and entitled views. While you're at it get the bookies to improve things at the stadium to give the betters/gamblers better information before they bet on a horse.
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