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I don't think Valve is going to lose either money or sleep over this.
I do however agree that it isn't Valve's fault that people who are idiots are crying about how they're too dumb to be responsible for their own actions.
As they always have in situations.
Sorry to get all preachy.
That’s a terrible analogy I keep hearing people make. Valve has more culpability in CSGO gambling than a Bank does in Casino gambling because, unlike banks, Valve completely controls the market in CSGO gambling. They are the ones who determine the algorithms that make items common or rare. They are the ones that control all the avenues by which items can be traded. And unlike Casinos (which are highly regulated), Valve can do pretty much anything it wants to control the market. There is tons of oversight when it comes to gambling with chips at a casino to prevent outright fraud. Valve has zero oversight.
Not saying that Valve will be found legally liable. The gambling sites are definitely 100% illegal within the constraints of USA law. Valve doesn't own any gambling sites, though, so I could see them not being found responsible in the eyes of the law.
I do think Valve is morally culpable, though, and I've lost tons of respect for them as a company over this (not to mention all the awful stuff they've been doing with steam over the past 4-5 years). They benefit too much from the side gambling scene for them to truly shut it down. So they will put up the minimal effort for them to look like they are trying enough to not get sued, but that's it. It stimulates the Steam marketplace too much for them to care.
They really have turned into an awful company. They no longer care about games, just finding new shady ways to monetize Steam by targeting F2P whales.
A WHOLLLEEEE Lot, they're gonna lose money over this. Or as in some people may say "Well, they've already made money, tapped the market, and moving onto the next project." which I kind of agree with as well. CSGO Items/Betting may die out in the next 2 to 6 months, but I know they'll whip out another marketing scheme... I have a few ideas they can do, but I'd hate to share it... They might use it and not gimme any pay for my awesome money making ideas, lol.
Exactly. You just contradicted your own point. People transferring, buying and selling items/skins through these third party sites takes money OUT of the Steam Market.
Some of us actually want to make money, even if we're nerdy gamers. . . Selling/buying/trading items from games is no different than selling perfume and stuff door to door.
People just get so damn butt-hurt about others making money, and not themselves. Well, I think that is their own damn fault.
If Valve limits us to what we can and cannot do in terms of money... Then they are scared to let us grow as individuals as well.
Let's be honest, if I had a company of this grand size. I would offer a way to do Real World Transactions from player to player while taxing it a small percentage. It helps people grow funds to help in their daily lives, along with giving the game publicity, and the company grows that much more as well.
Honestly, I don't see ANY reason why we can't do real money transactions, there is no law against it other than Valve (OR ANY game company) that decides its against the "Rules". It's a virtual item, are we seriously not allowed to do anything with them other than admire them in-game?
Art paintings get sold... which usually the owner sells the painting, so why not let us sell/buy whatever we find that is worth it?
Note: Valve can say no to anything they want, I know that. But I'm not comprehending the reason as to Why Not?
What's your take on it guys?
This isn't about not wanting people to make money. It's about not associating with gambling websites.
So on that basis, Valve could argue that their involvement is limited to the gambling of "virtual" items with no real-world value, which I don't believe would get them in any legal hot water.
It could be counter-argued, however, that Valve knows full well that skins have "real world" value - the fact that they don't pay out for them themselves is irrelevant.
And that's putting aside that even if they've not directly involved in the cash-out process, the support they've supposedly provided to those parties who are (and the profit they've made via associated trades of Steam Credit encouraged by the betting sites, which they do take a cut of), does a lot to implicate them.
See, there have been claims that the sort of API access needed by these gambling sites had to be directly authorised by Valve, and in some cases went over and above the sort of access any non-gambling sites obtained. There have also been claims that Valve's chat support teams had knowingly assisted operators of "cash-out" gambling sites in configuring their servers.
I have no way to know if those claims are true (Valve's recent statement seems to imply that the API thing isn't), but it'll be interesting to see how the associated court cases pan out.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/15614/
Not ALL but many of them, and the fact that virtually nobody checked for the legitimacy of such sites caused this bubble to burst.
Yet again, its that certain last drop that spilled the whole glass.
The only way such sites should be allowed back is under strict regulations. Until then they are better off closed.