Gambling: Steam are going to close all the gambling csgo sites?

[NOTdeduction]

Hello,
What do you think about the gamble sites? all the csgo gamble sites!
I heard that almost all the Team Fortress 2 gamble sites are now closed.
You think like steam are going to close all the ''illegal'' sites?

[AC_Hammer]

Stan の投稿を引用：

Just wondering, if gamling sites are taken down then will the items prices drop greatly or do valve remove trading and selling completly to ensure that there will not be eny wrong doing?

So sould i just get ridoff my skins and other items befor this hapes or will it ever hapen?

Honestly, nobody knows. Keep them and what happens happens. At the end of the day they won't drop that much because gambling sites won't sell all their skins and neither will people be withdrawing and selling. Touch wood not a lot will change. Coincidently this is also a gamble, get rekt valve, and you must make this choice. Sell and lose money/ gain a tiny amount or keep and lose tiny/ lose nothing/ gain money. Your decision. For me I love the game and couldn't care less about the skins. This was a joke thread but it didn't really catch.

[Lycanious]

Had to vent this... Gambling? ha...

I'm completely shocked and baffled by the stupidity of some people. Not only will Valve lose probably Millions of dollars over the next six months to a year because of their choices of defending against an attack that warranted NO Defense at all.

What I mean by this is - The 'law suit' that was filed, is completely stupid, pointless, and ignorant. People got upset that they 'LOST' their Oh so precious skins to another random player placing his Oh so precious skins himself in the same pot and ooh, look... The kid lost and cried.

I've told people a thousands times, if you can't take the fact that you have a decent chance of LOSING them skins when throwing them into a RANDOM ticket system, then don't ruin it for all of us who've enjoyed the thrill of using our skins that we've earned, purchased THROUGH VALVE, or traded our way up to.

I see a lot of people complaining back and forth that Valve has a Gambling system already, which is TRUE. CSGO Crates (Or any form of buy/open) is a GAMBLE. It's not a Mini-game apart of the foundation of the game itself, it costed MONEY to do so.

People who think "Oh, this butthead is totally wrong."

Go take 2.49$ to a casino, drop it in a penny machine. Pull the lever, oh... what happened? You gambled it away and may of won or lost. Which then you cash out and are happy or sad.

Valve gives us no means of "cashing" out... Oh wait... we can Sell to the Market, where we then can purchase their listing of games and OTHER items which have VALUE in their eyes.

People need to learn that... Life is a gamble, no matter what the hell you do. You work your job, you walk outside, you drive your car. Every damn thing is a Gamble, It may not be currency in some situations, but get over yourselves.

It is MY decision how to spend MY money, if I want to be a gambler, why the hell would a multi-million dollar company STOP providing the Enjoyments of adult style life? (I'm well of age by the way).

1: They will, 100,000,000% will lose money based on their decision.
2: CSGO Has been an immense stepping stone for Valve, I'm sure. So why beat the horse that won you a few races?

To all the kids that complained you lost your "Oh So precious" skins... You never ONCE felt bad for the person you Won against... But you cry like a little... kid, when you lose?

Some people make a living from doing what they enjoy, only for it to be poked and defiled by the scummy cowardly trash that is a part of our community.

We don't complain and cry about the people who are betting on sports... We don't complain and cry when we buy merchandise from teams (even csgo!) . . . We don't complain when....

It's almost not even worth it. No matter what, we small voices can't make a difference without a Bigger voice to help.

I just wanted to finish this off by saying, RIP all of the streamers/youtubers/families/friends/whomever made a living by "Gambling" with CSGO Skins. I feel insanely bad that we all got shafted because of a prick who could of Not hit that Deposit button.

Not to mention the two YouTubers who lied to everybody, stupid bastards, thanks for ruining yours and our fun and enjoyment of csgo "random trading game" ~_~

[Narcoleptic Marshmallow]

Good riddance. I can already see scams dropping a hundredfold.

Hopefully they will also start doing something about people who advertise those websites in their profiles and display names too.

[theUSguy425]

Finally. It's good they've been called out about this, it needs to stop.

[Amphy139]

It only took two class action lawsuits and the internet exploding about the CS:GO skin gambling websites to get Valve to care. Too little too late, can't save face when you actively encourage this behavior with Steam's market and CS:GO's skins.

[Start_Running]

Amphy139 の投稿を引用：

It only took two class action lawsuits and the internet exploding about the CS:GO skin gambling websites to get Valve to care. Too little too late, can't save face when you actively encourage this behavior with Steam's market and CS:GO's skins.

You mean by actuyally allowing the existence of these things? Also, the statement is pretty much the bog standard boiler plater explaining whart and how the sites operated. Basically. Not their fault if users want to gamble their skins. Tjhe irony is that what Valve is citing them for is the use of the bot accounts.

[Start_Running]

Lycanious の投稿を引用：

I'm completely shocked and baffled by the stupidity of some people. Not only will Valve lose probably Millions of dollars over the next six months to a year because of their choices of defending against an attack that warranted NO Defense at all.

What I mean by this is - The 'law suit' that was filed, is completely stupid, pointless, and ignorant. People got upset that they 'LOST' their Oh so precious skins to another random player placing his Oh so precious skins himself in the same pot and ooh, look... The kid lost and cried.

Rest easy. Valve's legal ass is covered. Valve has no more to do with it's users betting their items on fraudulent gambling sites than a bank does when you use your savings to bet on an illeghal gambling site. The items belong to the user's account. Valve has no affiliation to the sites. The Sites coperated because users explicitly permitted access to their steam inventories. So in other words, the buck stops at the users.

[Lycanious]

I agree, but Valve does have the right to refuse the use of their API. Which I think is stupid to do in any form. Valve isn't in control of what people do or how they use their money. If kids are gambling on sites, then that means their parents are not monitoring what their children are doing on the internet.

Let's say for example I had a kid. IF that said kid used MY credit card to purchase items from a game to 'bet' it away on another site. I'd probably lay that kid out through a wall. But is that Valves or anybody else fault other than the kid and the parents? I think not. . .

People wanna throw mud at Valve and the sites that allow an activity that is beyond requested and insanely enjoyed.

Valve should get a back bone and say "Listen, we do not affiliate with the sites, so we are not responsible for what people do with their items."

Even if Valve has a 'bridge' connecting to the road that is Virtual Item betting, it doesn't mean they are at fault for it. We as the users choose to do what we want with our hard earned items. Be it spending money, gambling, or earning it in a random drop in the game. (Which, let's be frank... is crap.)

No matter how much people complain, a new form of gambling will be available for something else, some where, some how.

Now, let's just throw this out there. I know more than ten people (Literally more than ten!) that have made a complete turn-around in their lives because of betting their CSGO skins. They was able to do the things they wanted to do, or get their selves out of a tight situation. All because they took a chance. . .

I am not saying Everybody will WIN WIN WIN!... But here is my most promising saying... "If you do not try, you'll never experience it." along with "If you try and fail, it was an experience, learn and move on."

Shouldn't that be how the world works?

[Forcen]

Online gambling is illegal in the USA, makes sense that Valve being a US company wants to stay away from that since they ultimately hold all the items.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#United_States

[s]

valve is retared they should have closed te gambling sites ages ago

[Start_Running]

Forcen の投稿を引用：

Online gambling is illegal in the USA, makes sense that Valve being a US company wants to stay away from that since they ultimately hold all the items.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#United_States

Valve is \to your items wjhat a bank is to your money. DO you really want Valve closing said loopholes by basically deleting all items?

Silly question. But consider. A bank cannot prevent you from spending your money on what you want.

[Forcen]

I think that Valve really really don't want the US government to see them as a bank, that would be problematic probably.

Anyway OP wants to gamble online seemingly, however if this would continue and would not only be called but also be defined as gambling then the US government will cause the websites way more problems then they got now. This sounds like the easy way out, warn the websites and let the customers get their stuff back as they can as far as the websites allow. This is better then the websites just suddenly disappearing or something.

Sure Valve may be safe from trouble from the law but they still probably didn't like how this situation was or where it was going.

I haven't researched this that much, I may be all wrong here. If you want some more informed opinions read this thing with some lawyers: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4rep4f/we_are_bryce_blum_ryan_morrison_and_jeff_ifrah/

EDIT: Specific comment about this topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4rep4f/we_are_bryce_blum_ryan_morrison_and_jeff_ifrah/d50i20x

Going to copy/paste my answer about this case below:

I don't think the lawsuit against Valve will go anywhere, but it definitely has legal ground. While I expect it to settle quickly and not see a courtroom, keep the following in mind:

* Valve owns every single skin that exists. You don't buy skins, you buy a license to use the skins.
* Valve has been reported as helping to actually *run* these websites (specifically CSGO Lounge according to Bloomberg article)
* Valve allows you to buy and sell skins on their own market, and allows unregulated gambling websites to use their API to operate with ease.

So if you own every skin, help run the websites that gamble them, and then turn those skins into quick and easy cash...that's a recipe that some folks may call "not wonderful."

For what they can do? They can stop letting these insanely popular websites use their marketplace so easily.

[Gus the Crocodile]

Lycanious の投稿を引用：

It is MY decision how to spend MY money

Absolutely, in the exact same way that it's Valve's decision how to run their business. If you want to gamble, by all means, go gamble, nobody's stopping you. But nobody has to associate with gambling sites if they don't want to either.

Lycanious の投稿を引用：

1: They will, 100,000,000% will lose money based on their decision.

Of course they will. And they're doing it anyway. That doesn't really sit well with your call for them to "get a backbone". Surely "getting a backbone" doesn't mean taking the easy way out - doing nothing and raking in more money.

Start_Running の投稿を引用：

Valve is \to your items wjhat a bank is to your money.

My bank didn't manufacture the money I spend. The money goes into my bank from somewhere else and I can take it out again if I choose. I actually don't need to keep any money in the bank if I don't want to.

That's not the case with Steam. Nobody can take items out of Steam. Valve aren't just providing a temporary storage space for a transferable currency; they made the items, and the items exist within their systems at all times. They're not in the same situation as a bank.

[Lycanious]

Let's be realistic... Yes, I want to Use my Skins that I've earned in Trading. In what form of Trading is up to myself to judge. It's not gambling if the item isn't supposed to be valued.

But if another person sees it as a value, then what harm does it do in selling/trading it to that said person? How in the hell does it harm anybody other than the people who've lost while knowing what would happen when they deposit?

For the US Government, sounds just like another excuse to make money off of fun.

Look here, I understand if I go to a CASINO... Yeah, I'm throwing down Literal bills of cash to gamble. But when I'm at home, with SKINS <-- Cosmetic ITEMS for a Video game, and there is a way to have a Different form of fun with them, why the hell should I be denied that ability?

If somebody wants to say Example: Buy my Dragon Lore, for 1,200$. Why the hell would that matter to anybody else? In most cases, gamers put their money back towards games and merchandise.

Or, have the money to actually pay their bills and whatnot, So why is it frowned upon to sell/bet cosmetic items that LITERALLY have no value but only in the eyes of the gamers who value the said item by the price they deem it worth?

Maybe I feel a Gut Knife Safari Mesh is 600$!? Who knows, it may of turned out that way at one point... But more pretty items came out.

Which mind you, the market is all of Our say of what is what worth.

Now, I'm not nagging too hard at Valve for protecting themselves, I completely understand. But COME ON!... How is it that a company created for fun, entertainment, and gaming is gonna see this crap as Gambling (illegal)? Just because some kids steal their parents credit cards, we have to suffer for it?


My final point - Sorry for the rant and back and forth of this. But, Cosmetic Items ( No Matter What Game!) are valued by the customers/players. Valve isn't apart of that equation, they release a cosmetic skin, and we value it based on our idolized fawning over its pretty texture.

If WE the customers wanna throw money at it, then that should be our decision, as well as what to do with the item WE (The Customer) purchased in whatever way we did it.

ToS and all, You release something to the public... Let us use it, let us enjoy it. Especially if it costs us money (2.49 per key!). If I can make money to pay my bills, debts, or buy games from Steam or spend it on Keys or whatever other game that has cosmetic items or whatnot... Let Us, the PLAYERS, the customers, the people who actually Pay Your Bills, enjoy it.

We got enough crap like mortgages, car bills, utilities, clothes, food, all that crap we need to live day by day.

Valve, I wish you'd reply with an answer, even if it was a F-You (to my comments, not to others obviously). Show that you actually listen, care, or even give a damn about your consumers.

Anyways, my rant is over. Not much else to say, I apologize for the books. =) I enjoy writing/typing and making things detailed. Have a lovely night peeps.

-Edit-
Quick note, I do agree that Valve can do what they wish, I apologize for the 'Back Bone' statement. But I didn't mean they are cowards, I meant they need to make a decision and stick with it. Or voice it out better. If CSGO Betting goes away, then Skins will lose value to only the steam market which will drop by at least 80%.

So in defense to anything I say, Valve does a job that no other does, and that is provide a quick and easy way to play games with a good system in place. But they also make money from Keys to open crates, which is a Gambling method. Either take that out, or help us figure out a resolve for this situation.

ya know?

[76109108007942031]

Well it's about bloody time.