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Gambling sites is not what the bill is about though. CSGO is in no way related to those gambling sites. It's just a game with tradeable 'random rarity' items. Same as any TCG etc. The community has taken it upon themselves to take those items and start gambling them.
The bill is basically about age gating any games that use that style of gacha system, because the resulting items might be used for gambling.
It's honestly rather absurd if you think about it. I don't even get the impression the senator cares that these random rarity microtransactions exist, but rather that it resulted in a gambling scene around them (or rather the publicity in addressing that).
So basically his intention is to age gate the way to get the currency that might be used for gambling. How exactly? I don't need CSGO to buy CSGO skins as far as I'm aware. If I'm just in it to gamble all I need to do is buy this 'faux' currency, go to a gambling site that will accept them and gamble away.
And if it's not CSGO, they'll likely find something else to replace it.
And of ocurse there is the absurdity of internet age gating. How do you prove someone's age over the internet?
Games of chance where people put money in are commonly regulated here in Australia. Raffles are regulated, for instance. This regulation isn't always onerous; it's often just limits saying your prize pool can't be worth over $30,000, or it can't be over X% cash, or under XYZ conditions you have to take down names and addresses of contestants etc. The important thing is to have the structures in place to allow oversight to exist.
they may as well ban or try to regulate every f2p game that has random crate system in it, aka a HUGE amount of them.
Guys, I think both of you are making reasonable points but there is no sense in quizzing me about it. I've never been involved with CS:GO and barely with the item market etc. and it's beyond my understanding of how all that works and who is ultmately responsible for it. Nor would trying to convince me about it serve any purpose.
Gambling is a blight. Personally I think there are way too many ways to gamble both legally and otherwise in Australia and I think it causes appalling problems within our communities. I realise too that our own governments are largely to blame because of their reliance on the revenues from gambling. I don't have any idea what will be the outcome from this move by senator Xenophon, but the mere fact that he is drawing some attention to the problem of kids gambling is a good thing. If Valve can demonstrate that the problem is outside of their powers to act, then well and good.
But, if the Aus government sees the need to make further regulation which ends up in us losing our rights to play CS:GO or to trade items, I'd be in support. (I know that might sound callous. careless and ill informed. Personally where gambling's concerned I just don't care.)
Also I see that while trying to voice my thoughts, Gus has put it more eloquently than me....see above.
There's a huge amount of all sorts of things that are subject to regulation. Drugs, movies, buildings, youth workers, plastic bottles, smoke alarms, spray cans, you name it. That's normal. I mean it's a challenge, for sure, and you never do it perfectly. But handling things at the population level is what governments do. We don't legalise running red lights just because there are a lot of red lights.
Incorrect. Or to put it another way. It means any purchase you make is a bet. See the key point is. 'to you' As far as valve, the company that sells and has the items All items thopse keys unlock are worth 2.50. Just like to a Snickers bars , as far as the srtore selling it is concerned., is worth $1.50. That there's some idiot that will pay $10 for it is frankly beyond their control. They are not responsible for the madness of others.
That's your opinion and belief, and others are free to share or not share it. One would say that gambling does not cause problems as much as it simply highlights the problems that were already there. It's not the acid, it's the litmus paper.
Well that and have you reviewed the history of what happens when a country bans things like, prostitution, alchohol, gambling, pornography, etc. News flash. it doesn't go away, it simply goes underground and thats when you really get criminal problems. Just look at Prohibition.
Prostitution still is illegal in many countries but you can still find a hooker any day of the week you need one. You know what effect making it illegal does have.. it increases the spread of STD's since the johns and hooklers are much less apt to get themselves tested or admit to how they contracted the disease.
And no, nor is this different people valuing a Snickers bar differently. It's different people ending up with different items entirely.
Now here's the thing, you're saying that this is just my opinion as if that counts for nothing. Democracy tends to use all these individual opinions to make its own and eventually to act, and I'm happy enough for it to be that way, if indeed it doesn't get hijacked by large commercial interests along the way. But as for my opinion, yes it is. Let's celebrate it!
And gambling is acid enough for me. All that money that gets taken away from innocent families of problem gamblers and so on rarely finds its way back. Gambling is at the root of much suffering and much corruption around the world.
Now, you're getting off track here, no-one's proposing banning gambling.....just trying to prevent kids from doing it, and to ensure that it conforms to Australian reg's, that's all. Apart from that I'm not really into the banning of any of the regular vices......education aplenty and regulation in moderation are good things though.
As for kids using the Steam market etc. as I said before...who cares? not me.
Sorry I almost ignored the last bit but really this brings me back to my first post a couple of hours? ago. Do you seriously think we'd sacrifice making better safeguards against kids gambling just so we can have that crap?
Really your parenting problem crack is just offensive and if it applies at all it would be to those who choose to do nothing.
Now see all those options have defined non subjective monetary value. also with prize draws there is also a chance that you will not be drawn at all. So poor example. You will always get an item from a case. I wish people would understand the fundamental difference between a system where you will always get something as iopposed to a system where you will potentially get nothing.
A better idea is a grab bag. where you pay $3, reach in and pull out either a hershey's, snickers, mars, or 3 musketeers bar.
See in that case it's not a gamble, except whether or not youy get the particualr candy bar you prefer, but you wuill always get a candy bar. That case could be considered a blind purchase , which is a totally legit thing.
A skin is the same as another skin. A hotel room and travel fare is remarkably different than a magazine subscription.
Also even in your example you are assuming everyone entering to win the $2000 Vacay or the TV. Holidays mean little to some people since their shedule and travel complications make such things pointless., visas to get, shots to get, vacation leave to request. Same for the TV.
THat's not the same though again. They know it;'s $1000 TV because that is the objective value. Physical things have a minimum value that can bedetermined as the sum value of the oparts and labour cost.. A digitakl skin on the other hand... well.. as said. Valve is the source of these skins and as far as they say the skins are worth 2.50.
That some idiot will pay 100 for one is again, not their concern or fault. They are not responsible for the idiocy of others.
If you can't be bothered to oversee your own offspring and moderate their behaviour and educate them as to what they should and should not do... I'm sorry . That's a parenting problem.
If the kids are properly eduicated, brought up with proper appreciations of morals, the law and money... then this wouldn't be a problem now would it. This is a problem because kids are disregarding one or all three of thsoe things. which invariably means the parent has failed in their duties on some level.
Sort of relevant at this point. Since you're basically saying that even people who do not have loinspawn should be inconvenienced due to the fact that a few people can't supervise their own children. As said. I wonder how Aussies will enjoy getrting left out of quite a few pop culture reference points. As said. Age verification is pretty much impossible over the internet so in order to prevent the chance of minors beyond the confirm your birth date pop up... man I think that would actually be wors ethan being blocked. having to go through that any time you wanted to viewm, purchase, open a crate, purchase a key, trade an item... dayum Australia... it's like you be masochists or somethings... then again you are on the murder continent.
As said. The easiest and most effective way for Valve to ensuyre no Aussie children can 'gamble'. Is to make sure no Aussie can gamble. It's like if you want to priotect chicldren from porn you pretty much remnover everyone's ability to access it.
If you're fine with it. I suspect companies selling IP Spoofers will be having a field day in your country should this come to pass.
I was not at all making the assumption you attribute to me. What prize individual people are "going for" is irrelevant. Monetary value of prize pools for the purposes of regulation isn't determined by interviewing all entrants and asking them what sorts of things are important to them in their lives.
Determining the value of a CSGO skin is no less mysterious and ethereal a process than determining the value of a diamond. You just look at the market price. Helpfully, Valve even runs a market, so finding out how much particular items are worth takes only a few seconds.