Steam could learn from Elon Musk / Twitter

[()_T_N_T_)----*]

Excited to see gaming communities eventually shift its way to a more open speech platform that isn't censorship culture. Steam could learn from twitters new shift in speech policies.

Should give it a shot, be surprised how much positive feedback you'll get compared to being a censorship happy! But hey, it's your platform 100% correct. It was just a suggestion, just know I'll drop this account worth some amount in a heartbeat for something that allows me more freedom to talk while playing games, if it ever comes about.

However I hope that steam will be the ones to pioneer this instead keeping its long title as a gaming platform.

[Ern]

Progress naturally into 4chan.

[Heretic]

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Regardless of your views. You take it how you want... point is freedom of speech is a good thing, and while I agree with wanting a respectful atmosphere. I don't think censorship is the way to deal with it, and also on an ironic key note here. It's funny how the majority of people who are often to point out free speech leads to a disgusting toxic behavior often exert that very behavior they claim to want to fight against.

It's almost like someone knowing they themselves can't control their behavior so they need a authority figure to do it for them to remind them to behave, as well as others so they don't feel excluded.

But I'll call it good and leave it at that, it was a post to inform steam that winds are changing, and for the better. You can do what Blizzard did and double down or you can step aside and let communities progress naturally..

It doesn't matter what you think. Individualism of thought is too right-wing, where it's easier to force hive-mind collectivism. Young people are much easier to manipulate and they tend to be left leaning.

[()_T_N_T_)----*]

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Regardless of your views. You take it how you want... point is freedom of speech is a good thing, and while I agree with wanting a respectful atmosphere. I don't think censorship is the way to deal with it, and also on an ironic key note here. It's funny how the majority of people who are often to point out free speech leads to a disgusting toxic behavior often exert that very behavior they claim to want to fight against.

It's almost like someone knowing they themselves can't control their behavior so they need a authority figure to do it for them to remind them to behave, as well as others so they don't feel excluded.

But I'll call it good and leave it at that, it was a post to inform steam that winds are changing, and for the better. You can do what Blizzard did and double down or you can step aside and let communities progress naturally..

It doesn't matter what you think. Individualism of thought is too right-wing, where it's much easier to force hive-mind collectivism. Young people are much easier to manipulate and they tend to be left leaning.

True however, the awards still protest that there is a silent majority that agrees free speech is better. And wanted might I add.

And the argument of this whole "racism, toxicity, flood like plague" nonsense is someone projecting their own habitual habits instead of trusting that a community itself can be good if given the chance and people work together instead of turning directly to insults.

Much like they did to me right away, I'm already a racist for simply stating an opinion and not attacking a single person. They project what they fear.. and that's themselves. Freedom of speech has it's limits, but to argue another point made in here, you can't call out someone. You call out someone with an ideology like mine even if you do it in a respectful manner. You get reported massively for "instigation" or "disrupting the peace" or some phony crap that was made up. So it's pretty one sided at the moment as it comes to thinking period.

Free speech allows people to express both sides, doesn't mean you have to resort to being a jerk.

[Mr. Smiles]

I'd love to see it, would be like an Xbox online lobby circa 2005 all up in here.

[Ardenwolfe]

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Free speech allows people to express both sides, doesn't mean you have to resort to being a jerk.

If they allow insults to certain persons or communities under the guise of free speech, they take the risk of losing revenue. So don't think for one moment any cooperation wouldn't do exactly what you ask if it made them buckets of bucks. But because it will do the opposite?

Not. A. Chance.

That's the real reason Musk is doing what he's doing. Not for free speech. But because he hopes it will stop Twitter from going bankrupt. And he knows a specific person could bring a lot more eyes to the platform now that he's no longer banned.

Let's not get that twisted.

Edit: Clarity

[grody_antagonic]

I'm all for free speech, less to no censorship etc... but Steam kinda had this to some extend some years ago. It was madness. Flame-Wars everywhere. It was like a constant battlefield. They then stepped up the moderation somewhat and the constant flame-wars ended...
So it's a fine line between a completely devastated war-torn forum and a somewhat friendly environment. I saw the first on here and prefer the latter tbh...

[Heretic]

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I'm all for free speech, less to no censorship etc... but Steam kinda had this to some extend some years ago. It was madness. Flame-Wars everywhere. It was like a constant battlefield. They then stepped up the moderation somewhat and the constant flame-wars ended...
So it's a fine line between a completely devastated war-torn forum and a somewhat friendly environment. I saw the first on here and prefer the latter tbh...

You can be very polite a professional only to discover that intelligent discussion is treated as problematic, especially if you venture into things that could potentially result in diverse opinions and views. You'd be surprised just how intolerant some people can be toward an opinion they disagree with, no matter how it's presented. It's a very wide target.

[Start_Running]

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“without freedom of thought there can be no such thing as wisdom; and no such thing as public liberty without freedom of speech.” - Benjamin Franklin.

Freedom without consequence or responsibility, is anarchy.
Translation. You're free to say what you want and someone else is free to smack you upside the head for what you say ;-)

Plus yeah. I don't think ELon's attitudes are gonna hold very longonce the law suits start piling in.. Then again its hard to say if his goal wasn't to run twitter into the ground because he was forced to buiy it.

[Heretic]

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Freedom without consequence or responsibility, is anarchy.

I guess this means censorship without consequence is fascism. Of course, the fact that this is a private platform is taken into consideration when stating that.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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I'd love to see it, would be like an Xbox online lobby circa 2005 all up in here.

Good old xbox days, just like when LoL forum when it was at it most toxic edgy peak, where people send death threats, wish for harm onto others, and trash talk others for not being good at the game.

I wish I kept some of my xbox voice messages lol, get the most toxic players from playing cod, or gears of war.

[Start_Running]

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Freedom without consequence or responsibility, is anarchy.

I guess this means censorship without consequence is fascism. Of course, the fact that this is a private platform is taken into consideration when stating that.

Censorship uis just consequence. YYou can say it, but wil;l ball gag you for it afterwards.
And lets be real most people use the word censorship to mean they got punished for saying some crap that they really should have known better than to say.

Every community or society has rules of conduct that allow for it to function.
It doesn't help that the people who complain about censorship are saying the sort of harmful or outright inane things that make any rational person reconsider the the idea of the 'Scold's Bridle."

[BJWyler]

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And the argument of this whole "racism, toxicity, flood like plague" nonsense is someone projecting their own habitual habits instead of trusting that a community itself can be good if given the chance and people work together instead of turning directly to insults

If that's the case, then why do we need laws and law enforcement? Why do we even need a Constitution? As always, those who attempt to argue this issue from an absolutist pov as you do, completely ignore the realities of the human condition and the human psyche. The mass shooting in CO is case in point.

[ReBoot]

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... and money. You're singlehandedly ruling out small teams & solo devs. Bad idea.

Well, that, and that's not even what Musk is doing. Validated accounts on Twitter still need to be validated! It's that premium account stuff (Twitter Blue, I think) which you have to pay for but that doesn't mean those are legit! It just means they got money to spend.

then do what old twitter done and have publishing teams and devs validated having something like "trusted developers" put somewhere on game store pages or something.

Already there. Well, there's no trusted developers but trusted games. Or rather default games and "untrusted" games. That measure did a lot to curb pseudogames.

[Brian9824]

Twitte Is falling apart, their revenue is down, they've broken half their features in the last week alone, and lost 2/3 of their employees.

Don't see why steam would want to copy a platform that musk is burning to the ground and destroying...

[d@v3]

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“without freedom of thought there can be no such thing as wisdom; and no such thing as public liberty without freedom of speech.” - Benjamin Franklin.

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire