Steam removed Amex as a payment option?

[Silent Storm]

How cheap is Valve? They removed American Express from payment options, (In Canada at least) to make more money. They already charge huge fees for developers selling on their platform, they take Steam tax fees on all community trades. They will lose a good bit of my purchases now, I won't be spending as much money buying games I don't need anymore, I guess that's good for me though...

[fluxtorrent]

What quality control? They NEVER had quality control and all the options they have listed under marketing are still there, a number of them added more recently than others


first non-valve game on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1002/Rag_Doll_Kung_Fu/

release it today and it would be lumped in with the "garbage" that you dont like eisberg, but we both know you've been on the "valve is terrible" train for literal years so its not like you've been objective about your points. So pretending I'm a "defender" as if that disqualifies my points is pretty disingenuous don't you think?

[fluxtorrent]

WolfEisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

What quality control? They NEVER had quality control and all the options they have listed under marketing are still there, a number of them added more recently than others

Before greenlight and Steam Direct Valve did have quality control, they did not allow anything and everything on.

The options they have listed, most of those were things to try to basically fix the problem they created by removing quality control, but those still fall severely short of what it was like in the past.

Nooope, think again lol. They had less games but they had no quality control. Plenty of garbage games were added right from the begining

have another entry
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4520/Full_Spectrum_Warrior/

do you really want a list of all the mixed and negative reviewed games listed in the first 3 years just to show exactly how little quality control they had? Because the list is EXTENSIVE

[fluxtorrent]

But in this case it does, definitely. FSW was terrible

Fact is Valve has always said they didn't curate.

[fluxtorrent]

WolfEisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

Fact is Valve has always said they didn't curate.

That's false

No, its not. They added greenlight to automate the entry because they got popular and the number of people WANTING their games on steam shot up, they never curated what games came before that simply adding them when they expressed an interest and worked out a deal

infact lets quote Valve directly.

So we ended up going back to one of the principles in the forefront of our minds when we started Steam, and more recently as we worked on Steam Direct to open up the Store to many more developers: Valve shouldn’t be the ones deciding this. If you’re a player, we shouldn’t be choosing for you what content you can or can’t buy. If you’re a developer, we shouldn’t be choosing what content you’re allowed to create. Those choices should be yours to make. Our role should be to provide systems and tools to support your efforts to make these choices for yourself, and to help you do it in a way that makes you feel comfortable

They never curated and they never intended to curate.

[fluxtorrent]

Failed to prove your point there, they still provide EXACTLY the same as they did. More in fact as you acknowledged in added features. Having a bigger pool to compete against does not MEAN they offer less. But I'm not overly shocked you would try and spin that so dishonestly.

Fact is I doubt anyone who was on Steam BEFORE greenlight is complaining about discover-ability now

[fluxtorrent]

So you can't actually point to a single thing they have stopped offering devs.

Care to name a single dev that was on steam in those days complaining about visibility now? Or is that just another lie that you can't support.

"Valve isn't offering them anything of worth except the most important thing of all, access to all its services, features and it's userbase"

Explains why despite your constant "Valve is evil" year after year the devs speak with their wallets and keep coming back


the simple fact is no matter how you tried to argue it "more competition" is not offering "less marketting". They offer more marketting options now, period

[Silent Storm]

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

So you can't actually point to a single thing they have stopped offering devs.

Care to name a single dev that was on steam in those days complaining about visibility now? Or is that just another lie that you can't support.

"Valve isn't offering them anything of worth except the most important thing of all, access to all its services, features and it's userbase"

Explains why despite your constant "Valve is evil" year after year the devs speak with their wallets and keep coming back


the simple fact is no matter how you tried to argue it "more competition" is not offering "less marketting". They offer more marketting options now, period

Devs keep coming back because there is no alternative to steam. Sure there's Origin, Epic games and others, but we all know they don't even compete next to steam, and Valve knows it, that's why they know they can be as greedy as they want and everyone will still keep coming back. And it's true, I'm still here... though this is a big one removing Amex and I will no longer be spending like I use to on Steam.

And why are you defending the Big Corps greed? You're clearly not a Valve employee due to your abundance of misinformation about the company.

[fluxtorrent]

Figured you'd trot that one out. Playing pretend when less than 50% of the devs polled even sell on steam. But hey misrepresentation seems to be your thing.

[fluxtorrent]

Silent Storm eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

So you can't actually point to a single thing they have stopped offering devs.

Care to name a single dev that was on steam in those days complaining about visibility now? Or is that just another lie that you can't support.

"Valve isn't offering them anything of worth except the most important thing of all, access to all its services, features and it's userbase"

Explains why despite your constant "Valve is evil" year after year the devs speak with their wallets and keep coming back


the simple fact is no matter how you tried to argue it "more competition" is not offering "less marketting". They offer more marketting options now, period

Devs keep coming back because there is no alternative to steam. Sure there's Origin, Epic games and others, but we all know they don't even compete next to steam, and Valve knows it, that's why they know they can be as greedy as they want and everyone will still keep coming back. And it's true, I'm still here... though this is a big one removing Amex and I will no longer be spending like I use to on Steam.

And why are you defending the Big Corps greed? You're clearly not a Valve employee due to your abundance of misinformation about the company.

Can't help but notice that you keep ignoring the fact I havent. You on the other hand very specifically DID defend a big corporations greed.


Pointing out factually incorrect statements and disingenuous claims is not "defending" anything. But I guess you have to try and invalidate the poster when you can't argue against the post

[fluxtorrent]

WolfEisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

Figured you'd trot that one out. Playing pretend when less than 50% of the devs polled even sell on steam. But hey misrepresentation seems to be your thing.

IT is the GDC, its not just PC gaming, so of course the entire polling, which is on my different subjects, is going to consist of people who are PC only, console only, mobile only, or a mixture of console, pc, and mobile.

It doesn't take away from the fact that only 6% of the respondants who answered the question about Steam revenue take agreed it was justified.

Here is another link I remembered, someone who did a poll, its long with lots of things to say and it helps prove my point about what the developers are thinking:

https://www.fortressofdoors.com/operation-tell-valve-all-the-things-3-0/

So you still can't. Good to know. and no, it was 6% of EVERYONE polled. Only 37% said they felt steam didn't provide adequate value. But of course you still wanted to misrepresent what the survey actually found

[fluxtorrent]

WolfEisberg eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

So you still can't. Good to know. and no, it was 6% of EVERYONE polled. Only 37% said they felt steam didn't provide adequate value. But of course you still wanted to misrepresent what the survey actually found

Nope you are the one misrepresenting it, it was 6% of everyone who answered, if they didn't answer that question then they are not a part of the %.

https://i.imgur.com/NVaeS9F.png

There is no "did not answer" on there, and there is no reason to believe that 100% of the developers in the survey release their games on Steam.

When only 6% can say yes to the question, that is an issue.

So it is fact that only 6% of developers actually think 30% is justified, that is tiny.

Also, be sure to read the link I gave you from fortressdoors, it proves my point even more.

You can try and pretend its relevant, but the fact is, its not stopping devs from using the service. So they obviously ARE getting their value out of it.

"well they have to" well no, they don't. There arep lenty of other stores, and if its as detrimental as you claim they would be losing out by doing so.

But thats par for the course on your usual disingenuous spin

And yes, there WAS a "did not answer" section, but the 6% was called out by the pollsters specifically of ALL participants and includes the 17% that selected it, as per laid out in the actual details. So either you didn't actually read the poll data, or are being intentionally dishonest.

[fluxtorrent]

repeating a lie doesn't make it true kiddo. They had to include the answer for ALL recipients. You can try and pretend they didn't include the people who don't use steam but that is entirely in your head since it's NOT the truth. Not answer goes in the "don't know section.

And this is not just a "well but but" it's part of the law on how such data is gathered and shared in the US


But lets take this opportunity to drag you right back to being ontopic. "More competition" is still not providing less "marketing" when they never provided marketing at all and they HAVE added more tools for devs to use FOR marketing.

and no amount of moving the goalposts to pretend that "some people feel they dont provide value" is going to make that statemrent you are trying to sell any more true. Anyone who does not feel the value is there is free to use other stores, as the poll you used to try and prove your lie shows very well is both possible and profitable.

[fluxtorrent]

Still clinging to your false dichtomy despite the fact that it still doesn't prove your point eh? Neither of your examples "eliminate" anyone from the pool of people asked so just what do you think those examples are proving? Has your years long crusade rotted away so much of your reasoning that you can't even make a salient argument?

They don't NEED to be developing for PC to have an opinion on steams cut. And that is STILL irrelevant to the lie you tried to propogate.

Steam provides more now than it ever has before, AND they scale their cut back resulting in charging less.

Nothing in the poll suggests otherwise and you have yet to give a single example of a feature they have cut for devs.

[fluxtorrent]

Neither of those links proved your statement, you just tried to shift the goalposts, the typical dishonest argument from the usual suspect. Off course im not going to "prove" an off topic point that has literally nothing to do with the point im arguing, I don't waste my time on strawmen.



and if you think removing a card with a 2,5% market share in the market it was removed from is going to hurt developers, you are only showing your ignorance further.

[fluxtorrent]

If you'd bothered to read your first link you'd know that is its DOMESTIC share, as in within the US, where steam still accepts AMEX

And if you had read your second link they specifically call out amex as being the most problematic of the 4 in international acceptance.

I'm going to just assume you don't even read your own links when they don't support your arguments lol

https://balancingeverything.com/credit-card-market-share/

So still grasping at straws I see.

So since you can't point to a single thing that Valve has removed from devs for their ever decreasing cost I'm going to assume you have no further argument and just go back to ignoring you.

Nothing to say, no reason to listen.