Make Valve A Great Developer Again.

[FOXDUDE69]

I don't think I'm alone when I say I sorely miss Valve's golden days as game developer.

Imagine the games we could be playing if Valve decided to refocus on game development.
I'm not even talking about just the obvious stuff like Half-Life 3, a new Portal or Left 4 Dead, I'm talking about new innovative IPs featuring that top notch writing that Valve games were loved for.

It feels like there's this hole now, in videogame history, that in a parallel universe is filled by some crazy stuff that we'll never be able to enjoy here on Earth 616.

The Steam Deck looks cool I guess, and I'm sure there's at least 5 people out there who genuinely love their Steam controller but I think gamers would be better served If Valve remembered why they were so revered to begin with.

And Alyx was made to sell VR gear, it doesn't count.

[Pierce Dalton]

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Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

This thread really has turned into a trainwreck. :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

I wanted to reference my post about the interviews with Gabe Newell (early 2021) and Greg Coomer (March 2022) where both said multiple games are in development (I even linked both interviews), but apparently that post has been deleted. Thank you, paid mods. :lunar2019deadpanpig:

Mods deleting those could be an indication that those games are no longer in development.
I hope I'm wrong.

I guess it's an indication they have no idea what they're doing lol. I mean that didn't break any rules...

The strangest part is I suppose no one reported that, even then someone deleted it.

Ok so it was the auto delete because of links, somehow that didn't cross my mind.

[Crazy Tiger]

FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

This thread really has turned into a trainwreck.

I wanted to reference my post about the interviews with Gabe Newell (early 2021) and Greg Coomer (March 2022) where both said multiple games are in development (I even linked both interviews), but apparently that post has been deleted. Thank you, paid mods.

Mods deleting those could be an indication that those games are no longer in development.
I hope I'm wrong.

I think it might be more related to the links in them? I've been community banned before after I posted a link to the giveaway page on isthereanydeal. So I already am a tad careful with posting links.

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

This thread really has turned into a trainwreck.

I wanted to reference my post about the interviews with Gabe Newell (early 2021) and Greg Coomer (March 2022) where both said multiple games are in development (I even linked both interviews), but apparently that post has been deleted. Thank you, paid mods.

Yeah I did notice that... weird.

Anyway, these multiple games probably are for Steam Deck and/or VR.

Hope I'm wrong, though. Time will tell.

Probably VR. I don't think Valve will create Steam Deck specific games. In general games that can be played with a controller can be considered Steam Deck compatible already.

[FOXDUDE69]

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

I think it might be more related to the links in them? I've been community banned before after I posted a link to the giveaway page on isthereanydeal. So I already am a tad careful with posting links.

Okay. Anyway, I'm aware they said they had stuff on the pipeline, I just hope we get one non-esports, non-lootbox game.

[Nx Machina]

Crazy Tiger eredeti hozzászólása:

I think it might be more related to the links in them? I've been community banned before after I posted a link to the giveaway page on isthereanydeal. So I already am a tad careful with posting links.

Spawn posted a link in post #35 which is still up so maybe it was the links you posted but none were filtered when i viewed your post.

[Pierce Dalton]

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FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

Mods deleting those could be an indication that those games are no longer in development.
I hope I'm wrong.

I think it might be more related to the links in them? I've been community banned before after I posted a link to the giveaway page on isthereanydeal. So I already am a tad careful with posting links.

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah I did notice that... weird.

Anyway, these multiple games probably are for Steam Deck and/or VR.

Hope I'm wrong, though. Time will tell.

Probably VR. I don't think Valve will create Steam Deck specific games. In general games that can be played with a controller can be considered Steam Deck compatible already.

I wouldn't be surprised if they release an exclusive for the Deck to boost sales, when people stop purchasing it. Maybe they even finished the game already, just waiting for the right moment to release it.

Honestly, that's what I would do lol.

[DESTROYER]

How the hell do you make something Deck exclusive?

[FOXDUDE69]

DESTROYER eredeti hozzászólása:

How the hell do you make something Deck exclusive?

I don't think they'd do that, but it wouldn't be hard, make a Steam game you can only launch from the Steam Deck. Sure, some people could crack it to run on PC but it would still be officially a deck exclusive.

[Start_Running]

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Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah. Imma call BS on half of that article.
It's basically repeating the same tired myths.
Again. I ask what did half life do that it's Contemporaries didn't? because that list, certainly doesn't nbame anything.


Guy clearly hadn't played many FPSes. ANyone will tell you that most games, doom included, treated Guns as tools suitable for different situations.

AGain. THis is more retrospective ass-kissing.

I will say HL has great level design...for the first third of the game. Beyond that, the level design starts going ever downward, and more or less becomes pretty bad in the XEN levels.

Did HL do interesting things, yeah. . But was it some singularity point. No. It was an above average shooter for the time . It's best trick was hiding the map transitions.

Yup absolutely correct.

That article is complete bollocks.

When you have more limited mechanics, as they did back, you HAVE to employ things that are useful. That's just not how it worked at all.

You only really had the guns as given, and they were more useful for certain situations, so if they stuck with the one gun they were missing the whole point.

Well that was the case for the previous generation. The Wolfenstein Era. where all guns were basically just firing rate upgrades for the previous.

Take Doom.

The Pistol, Great for sniping due to 100% accuracy at long range.
Also a decent fall back when you have nothing else but room to manuever
Fists. Last resort in tight qarter.
Chainsaw. SLightly better. Great for stunlocking
Shotgun. great closeto mid range burst damage. The work horse.
Chaingun. Great mid range weapon for fast damage output and stunlocking.
Rocket launcher. The other work house,. DO I need to say it.
Plasma. Like the chaingun, but the lack of spread makes it usefull at long range.
BFG:: Boss Killer) CYberdemon and MAstermind are both very resitant to explosive damage.

And the joke is HL Kinda continued that trend though honestly you had more weapons than you had uses for. THe Gluon gun in particular was a rather terrible weapon. More over the thing HL dropped the ball on was the feedback was terrible. Targets would stand there unflinchingly soaking up bullets and shots until they died whereas in most other games, there was a reaction frame that triggered. So in that sense HL regressed.

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Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Did you actually play it? I seriously wonder because they must've played a different game than what I played back in 98. Irt was decent But it also had a good deal of jank and bugs to go with it. I mean the entire Xen section was pretty terrible.

You can find people who say similar stuff about Super Mario 64 or any other landmark title in the history of videogames. But that doesn't change the fact that they were landmark titles.
There will always be contrarians.

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

The reason people still make videos about it is because its a good way to get views.

And the more beloved and/or significant a game was, the more views it'll get.

SM 64 was doing something very new. HL wasn't. As said. Their main innovation was hiding map transitions.

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FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

And the more beloved and/or significant a game was, the more views it'll get.

That's the part he seemingly does not understand.

COrrection. The more beloved or seemingly significant the game is. If you wanted an First person game that actually did do something innovative in 98. Thief. Heck you could even count Unreal in that.

As said. I would at best consider the Original HL a slightly above average game.. It was further improved by the two expacks which were not in fact developed or designed by Valve but by Gearbox and it shows. There's an entirely different flow and feel to the level design. But back then above average was enough, and once one journo started gyushing about it they all lined up to echo and chant the praises.

Thankfully non of that bakll washing went to Valve's head. They never lost sight of what they are or what they actually did. WHich is why they've learned to be careful in talking to the press. Plus they certainly seem to be trying to branch away from your standard fps formula. One might say Valve gravitates towards things that they haven't mastered.



Infact Gearbox has designed and developed almost as many HL games as Valve itself.. 3 for Gearbox 4, for Valve.

[Start_Running]

Lets take it this way. THe OP and those like him are complaining in a rather round about way that Valve hasn't made HL3, or L4D33, etc. Because they will very conveneiently disregard all the games Valve have made recently, because they aren't any of those.

I mean we got a new VAlve game just a few months ago . This bloody year.

[Pierce Dalton]

DESTROYER eredeti hozzászólása:

How the hell do you make something Deck exclusive?

Developers have done harder things, if they want to it's doable.

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Lets take it this way. THe OP and those like him are complaining in a rather round about way that Valve hasn't made HL3, or L4D33, etc. Because they will very conveneiently disregard all the games Valve have made recently, because they aren't any of those.

I mean we got a new VAlve game just a few months ago . This bloody year.

Nope, actually I'd rather see something completely new, unrelated to any franchise. It's more interesting that way.

Also, who the heck still waits for HL3? I honestly think they'll never release such game, there's too much hype around it to meet the expectations. Chances are people will be disappointed after so many years waiting, no matter how good the game is. People will expect something out of this world...

The true reason people disregard these games is they're not PC titles, I do not intend to purchase the Deck or a VR system so soon and that applies to the majority of PC gamers. Therefore, such games are hardly relevant for us.

[AROCK!!!]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Lets take it this way. THe OP and those like him are complaining in a rather round about way that Valve hasn't made HL3, or L4D33, etc. Because they will very conveneiently disregard all the games Valve have made recently, because they aren't any of those.

I mean we got a new VAlve game just a few months ago . This bloody year.

Nope, actually I'd rather see something completely new, unrelated to any franchise. It's more interesting that way.

Also, who the heck still waits for HL3? I honestly think they'll never release such game, there's too much hype around it to meet the expectations. Chances are people will be disappointed after so many years waiting, no matter how good the game is. People will expect something out of this world...

The true reason people disregard these games is they're not PC titles, I do not intend to purchase the Deck or a VR system so soon and that applies to the majority of PC gamers. Therefore, such games are hardly relevant for us.

Same with me.

Honestly, I was a bit disappointed with HL2.
Imo they jumped too far forward...kind of like the middle of the story was missing.

I really don't see what HL3 would be story wise, unless they made it about the time between the events at Black Mesa and HL2

[FOXDUDE69]

Kinda weird that the only place online where gamers don't want Half-Life 3 is on the Steam forums.

[Pierce Dalton]

FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

Kinda weird that the only place online where gamers don't want Half-Life 3 is on the Steam forums.

I'd rather see a 3rd person game, personally I'm kinda tired of fps games, but I'll welcome HL3 if they ever decide to release such game haha.

[FOXDUDE69]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

Kinda weird that the only place online where gamers don't want Half-Life 3 is on the Steam forums.

I'd rather see a 3rd person game, personally I'm kinda tired of fps games, but I'll welcome HL3 if they ever decide to release such game haha.

Yeah. Anything that's not made to sell VR kits or lootboxes would be just peachy.