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A sea of indie trash and Early Access games.
This is what Steam has become. I want AA games back.
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Mad Scientist Jul 11, 2022 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
An individual that according to himself buys about 200 games a year, since the 70's, is by no means a collector?
You appear to keep brushing aside the retired with a lot of free time part. The games are being played, all of them. Full context is important; Retired, a lot of free time, only buys games to play them, doesn't buy them to collect them.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Oh don't be silly, this is like saying I kissed thousands of men but I'm not gay lol.
Unusual comparison, seems a bit homophobic for the forums.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
but it is simply evident this kind of people priorize quantity over quality.
Wrongfully claiming another user is a collector in order claim they only want quantity over quality does not make them a collector. Retired, lots of free time, chooses to buy and play purchased video games to have something to do, which happens to go full-circle to; buy game, play game, sometimes replay, buy game, play game. Retired individuals can buy and play games, and easily not be a collector. Seems to be bad faith on your part to label as a 'collector' especially when they tell you they're not one.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
What is light name calling? You're just proving my point here... you're so oversensitive.
Poking at users especially ones you have an issue with, constantly with things such as:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
(Now Mr. Evidence
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
sorry if that is too much for you, puritan.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence strikes again lol.
Is intentionally attempting to provoke them into a more negative response with light name-calling, essentially baiting them. That's not anyone being oversensitive, that's you attempting to get a strong reaction out of them, and is not constructive to the discussion.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Yeah yeah, OP wants less indie games here, that's what some quality control would end up doing. If you really think this is unrelated to OP, well, you should think again.
Less indie games does not equate to Quality Control as a fair amount of Indies are superior to AAA Games, even by reviews. If we were to make a thread about QC control, some AAA series with some retextures and some barely new content, likely wouldn't make the cut.
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:08am 
Originally posted by DiceDsx:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
If one game is objectively bad, that's enough evidence Steam needs quality control. If one bullet pierces your body armor, that's enough evidence the manufacturer needs quality control.
I guess consoles needs quality control too. Life of Black Tiger on PS4, anyone? Or that game that was just an easy trophy

And let's not forget the Nintendo Eshop, with such hits as Calculator, Piano, the Popeye remake and dozens of low effort mobile games.

Finally, the crown jewel of the bunch: Cyberpunk on old gen consoles! A game that, despite its awful performance and crashing issues, managed to pass Sony and Microsoft's quality control.

No one really complains about these things compared to Steam though.

The free section is full of games that no one plays, even though they're free... why?

Maybe because they aren't interesting enough, maybe because people have enough games and don't feel the need to search for F2P titles, maybe because not everything will be seen by players because the market is huge nowadays...

Let's forget about Tree Simulator, though, because it clearly is a joke, even the devs know their game is awful. Certain people like to do stupid, silly things for attention, and they got it: they're famous now. Is there better proof that Steam needs quality control?
Like Goat Simulator then, which got ported to consoles too and got famous despite being a game that shouldn't be allowed anywhere according to your definition of quality control.

I'd rather have the current system, thanks: if Steam wasn't this open we probably wouldn't have got the Touhou series in here, which also opened the door to many fangames and gave me hope for Fantasy Maiden Wars on Steam.

First of all, Goat Simulator is a freaking masterpiece compared to Tree Simulator. You simply cannot put them in the same bag, dude. Anyone can see Goat is a far superior product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG7G7kzyAtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPef_D2IiEU



What you fail to realize is consoles (and other PC platforms) already have quality control. I can make a silly, low quality game in one month and put it on Steam, but I can't put it on consoles. Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo will definitely not accept my crappy game.

Yeah, Cyberpunk was a disaster on old gen and Sony even removed it from the store. That only means they should tighten their quality control. They trusted CDPR. l would give them some slack because, let's be honest here: no one would expect that from the company that made The Witcher 3. That goes to show anyone can commit mistakes, even the best in their field. Therefore, you should never relax quality control, it doesn't matter if the guy sending you a game is Da Vinci or Michelangelo.

About mobile games, well... I guess we all know the majority of them are awful.
Tito Shivan Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
What you fail to realize is consoles (and other PC platforms) already have quality control.
That's why Nintendo dropped the 'quality' word from their Seal Of Quality.

DayZ (A game widely considered a 'scam' over here) released on PS4.
This released for the PS Vita:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2B5SUS-JQ8
Another game that passed PS4 'quality control':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vr4El4cmI&t=2s

You may be seeing 'Quality control' where there's none.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Yeah, people like to gift awful games to their friends, thanks for reminding me.
So what? Why so focused on how other people are having fun?
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Mr. Gentlebot:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
An individual that according to himself buys about 200 games a year, since the 70's, is by no means a collector?
You appear to keep brushing aside the retired with a lot of free time part. The games are being played, all of them. Full context is important; Retired, a lot of free time, only buys games to play them, doesn't buy them to collect them.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Oh don't be silly, this is like saying I kissed thousands of men but I'm not gay lol.
Unusual comparison, seems a bit homophobic for the forums.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
but it is simply evident this kind of people priorize quantity over quality.
Wrongfully claiming another user is a collector in order claim they only want quantity over quality does not make them a collector. Retired, lots of free time, chooses to buy and play purchased video games to have something to do, which happens to go full-circle to; buy game, play game, sometimes replay, buy game, play game. Retired individuals can buy and play games, and easily not be a collector. Seems to be bad faith on your part to label as a 'collector' especially when they tell you they're not one.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
What is light name calling? You're just proving my point here... you're so oversensitive.
Poking at users especially ones you have an issue with, constantly with things such as:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
(Now Mr. Evidence
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
sorry if that is too much for you, puritan.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence.
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Mr. Evidence strikes again lol.
Is intentionally attempting to provoke them into a more negative response with light name-calling, essentially baiting them. That's not anyone being oversensitive, that's you attempting to get a strong reaction out of them, and is not constructive to the discussion.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Yeah yeah, OP wants less indie games here, that's what some quality control would end up doing. If you really think this is unrelated to OP, well, you should think again.
Less indie games does not equate to Quality Control as a fair amount of Indies are superior to AAA Games, even by reviews. If we were to make a thread about QC control, some AAA series with some retextures and some barely new content, likely wouldn't make the cut.

Lol you're grasping at straws here. It doesn't even matter if he plays all games or not, someone that buys so many games is a collector. Using the things you collect will not change the fact you're a collector. I can buy a shirt a day and use a different shirt everyday. I'm still a shirt collector priorizing quantity over quality.

You think that comparison seems a bit homophobic? Not a surprise, I knew someone would say that. Do you mind telling me why it seems a bit homophobic? Also, what makes you think I have anything against homossexual people? Could you clarify that, please?

Btw weren't you reading my reviews yesterday? Didn't you see that futa game I refunded? ;)

So calling people "Mr. Evidence" or "puritan" is light name calling according to you? Amusing.
Let me tell you what is true light name calling: calling people obtuse, which is just another word for stupid, an euphemism. Still, I'm not crying because someone called me obtuse. I couldn't care less. Maybe people like you should grow a thicker skin. Actually, I'm surprised you didn't yet, because you've been here for a long time, right?

In case you didn't notice, I'm provoked all the time here. My dear helper Spirit called me a "duck quacking". Why didn't you warn him this is "intentionally attempting to provoke them into a more negative response with light name-calling, essentially baiting them (...) attempting to get a strong reaction out of them, and is not constructive to the discussion"?

Aren't you being a bit selective here, Sir?

You think I care, though? People can call me whatever they want, their words mean nothing to me, especially when it is clear they are so freaking obtuse.

"Less indie games does not equate to Quality Control as a fair amount of Indies are superior to AAA Games, even by reviews. If we were to make a thread about QC control, some AAA series with some retextures and some barely new content, likely wouldn't make the cut."

Correct, a fair amount of indies are superior to AAA games. In case you didn't notice, I said that already. Certain AAA games are awful, no one is denying that. Some indies are masterpieces.

Still, quality control does equate less indie trash here. Less AAA/AA trash too. This is not a battle between indie and AAA games, my friend, you're missing the point here.
Last edited by Pierce Dalton; Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:56am
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
What you fail to realize is consoles (and other PC platforms) already have quality control.
That's why Nintendo dropped the 'quality' word from their Seal Of Quality.

DayZ (A game widely considered a 'scam' over here) released on PS4.
This released for the PS Vita:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2B5SUS-JQ8
Another game that passed PS4 'quality control':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vr4El4cmI&t=2s

You may be seeing 'Quality control' where there's none.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Yeah, people like to gift awful games to their friends, thanks for reminding me.
So what? Why so focused on how other people are having fun?

I did not say their quality control is PERFECT ;)

Still, I cannot relase my stupid game on PlayStation, Xbox or Switch by paying them 100 bucks, right?
DiceDsx Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:19am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
First of all, Goat Simulator is a freaking masterpiece compared to Tree Simulator. You simply cannot put them in the same bag, dude. Anyone can see Goat is a far superior product
They're both meme/joke games so yeah, I put them in the same bag.

If you accept Goat Simulator then your idea of quality control is clearly flawed.

What you fail to realize is consoles (and other PC platforms) already have quality control. I can make a silly, low quality game in one month and put it on Steam, but I can't put it on consoles. Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo will definitely not accept my crappy game.
Sony (PS4)
https://youtu.be/AebNgJCTkE4

https://youtu.be/HhmUb7NC4D8

https://youtu.be/K7kPQmIDgn0

https://youtu.be/Uh56pfamGB0

https://youtu.be/oUE1NaDedh4

Nintendo
https://www.nintendo.it/Cerca/Cerca-299117.html?q=hentai&f=147394-86

https://youtu.be/SWocU83uhMM

https://youtu.be/x7iY0KlWZHE

https://youtu.be/KwFwyENi5jE

https://youtu.be/9dWDqenCyxk

https://youtu.be/nWnDbNnQq6I

Microsoft Store
The Free section is basically the same as Google Play Store, so make of that what you will.

https://youtu.be/Gynpe61oass

https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/menja/9plcc3cxgs64?cid=msft_web_chart

https://youtu.be/DEMqreb1CTo
Store page: https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/buddy-kick-3d-pc-xbox/9p454258bmm6

https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/elva-the-eco-dragon/9ns957x4d994 (Same as the Switch version)

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/shooter-bread-1-games-for-kids/9n179ktmsg6z?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

Just a reminder:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
If one game is objectively bad, that's enough evidence Steam needs quality control. If one bullet pierces your body armor, that's enough evidence the manufacturer needs quality control.
Last edited by DiceDsx; Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:21am
Bee🐝 Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by Bee:
The unlikeliest hit ever.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/247660/Deadly_Premonition_The_Directors_Cut/

Nah, my dear helper Spirit already brought up the unlikeliest hit ever: Tree Simulator.

Who could imagine that thing would be so successful? It's a very successful "franchise" with 4 "games": Tree Simulator 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. All of them are available here, it seems to me (and to anyone reasonable) this demonstrates the complete absence of quality control on Steam. This is a fact. If that harms someone, that's a different story. It does hurt someone, though. There is someone you keep forgetting as if they didn't exist... no it's not me.

Anyway, Nokia Snake is objectively more fun than this entire franchise, at least there is a challenge. People that say graphics aren't everything are more than correct, any game also needs compelling, engaging gameplay.

Still, this franchise is very successful. That's a fact no one can dispute. What can be disputed, though, is the reasons that led to this success. Yeah, people like to gift awful games to their friends, thanks for reminding me.
I wasn't talking about some random Tree Sim series or any sort of gifting. Odd how you mixed those up...almost like you changed topics on purpose.

I mentioned Deadly Premonition, Pathologic, and Call of Cthulu - all beloved games that many people love and play.

Or are you saying these games shouldn't be on Steam?
Last edited by Bee🐝; Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:23am
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by DiceDsx:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
First of all, Goat Simulator is a freaking masterpiece compared to Tree Simulator. You simply cannot put them in the same bag, dude. Anyone can see Goat is a far superior product
They're both meme/joke games so yeah, I put them in the same bag.

If you accept Goat Simulator then your idea of quality control is clearly flawed.

What you fail to realize is consoles (and other PC platforms) already have quality control. I can make a silly, low quality game in one month and put it on Steam, but I can't put it on consoles. Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo will definitely not accept my crappy game.
Sony (PS4)
https://youtu.be/AebNgJCTkE4

https://youtu.be/HhmUb7NC4D8

https://youtu.be/K7kPQmIDgn0

https://youtu.be/Uh56pfamGB0

https://youtu.be/oUE1NaDedh4

Nintendo
https://www.nintendo.it/Cerca/Cerca-299117.html?q=hentai&f=147394-86

https://youtu.be/SWocU83uhMM

https://youtu.be/x7iY0KlWZHE

https://youtu.be/KwFwyENi5jE

https://youtu.be/9dWDqenCyxk

https://youtu.be/nWnDbNnQq6I

Microsoft Store
The Free section is basically the same as Google Play Store, so make of that what you will.

https://youtu.be/Gynpe61oass

https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/menja/9plcc3cxgs64?cid=msft_web_chart

https://youtu.be/DEMqreb1CTo
Store page: https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/buddy-kick-3d-pc-xbox/9p454258bmm6

https://www.xbox.com/it-it/games/store/elva-the-eco-dragon/9ns957x4d994 (Same as the Switch version)

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/shooter-bread-1-games-for-kids/9n179ktmsg6z?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

Just a reminder:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
If one game is objectively bad, that's enough evidence Steam needs quality control. If one bullet pierces your body armor, that's enough evidence the manufacturer needs quality control.

Oh, just a reminder for you too:

"That only means they should tighten their quality control" (post 692)

"I did not say their quality control is PERFECT" (post 695)

Consoles do have quality control, how good or effective that quality control is, that's another point. Feel free to say their quality control is flawed, the fact is I can't release my game made in one month on PlayStation/Xbox/Switch. That's a good start, you know, better than nothing. By doing this, you're avoiding some trash already, likely the worst part of it. Funnily enough, you're also implying they should tighten their quality control.

Keep in mind there is a reason Tree Simulator is not available on consoles. You think the devs didn't try to release that thing on consoles too?

About the comparison between Tree Simulator/Goat Simulator, you really need to check your eyes, bud. I'm not saying Goat is a good game, far from that, but at least it's not absolute, useless trash. I can see the devs put a lot more effort and dedication in Goat, while Tree isn't even a game, there's nothing to do there. Actually, Tree Simulator is more a screensaver than a game. By putting them in the same bag, you're just demonstrating how flawed your logic is. Goat is a silly game I wouldn't play, still miles better than Tree.

All the games you mentioned are better than Tree Simulator lol. I guess that means something: Steam quality control is worse than console quality control.

No, sorry, I'm wrong... there isn't any quality control here. Pass me the 100 bucks, your game is on Steam.
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 12:25pm 
Originally posted by Bee:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Nah, my dear helper Spirit already brought up the unlikeliest hit ever: Tree Simulator.

Who could imagine that thing would be so successful? It's a very successful "franchise" with 4 "games": Tree Simulator 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. All of them are available here, it seems to me (and to anyone reasonable) this demonstrates the complete absence of quality control on Steam. This is a fact. If that harms someone, that's a different story. It does hurt someone, though. There is someone you keep forgetting as if they didn't exist... no it's not me.

Anyway, Nokia Snake is objectively more fun than this entire franchise, at least there is a challenge. People that say graphics aren't everything are more than correct, any game also needs compelling, engaging gameplay.

Still, this franchise is very successful. That's a fact no one can dispute. What can be disputed, though, is the reasons that led to this success. Yeah, people like to gift awful games to their friends, thanks for reminding me.
I wasn't talking about some random Tree Sim series or any sort of gifting. Odd how you mixed those up...almost like you changed topics on purpose.

I mentioned Deadly Premonition, Pathologic, and Call of Cthulu - all beloved games that many people love and play.

Or are you saying these games shouldn't be on Steam?

You were talking about the unlikeliest hit ever. Odd how you can't see that's Tree Simulator, because Deadly Premonition is way better than it. No one is changing topic, I'm just correcting you about the unlikeliest hit ever.

Deadly Premonition, Call of Cthulhu and Pathologic are ok games, not masterpieces but far from absolute trash. Why shouldn't them be on Steam? Why the heck are you implying I have something against such games?

Ffs man, you're acting like I suggested Steam should eliminate all indies lol.
Tito Shivan Jul 11, 2022 @ 12:33pm 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I did not say their quality control is PERFECT ;)
Just like Steam's then.
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 12:46pm 
Originally posted by Tito Shivan:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I did not say their quality control is PERFECT ;)
Just like Steam's then.

Alright, so you're telling me there is quality control on Steam? Just confirm that, please.
DiceDsx Jul 11, 2022 @ 12:55pm 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Feel free to say their quality control is flawed, the fact is I can't release my game made in one month on PlayStation/Xbox/Switch.
Are you sure? Two of the games I linked are asset flips, so if they could get in there you have pretty good chances too.

Funnily enough, you're also implying they should tighten their quality control.
Nah, I'm saying that their quality control is more or less on the level of Steam.
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by DiceDsx:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Feel free to say their quality control is flawed, the fact is I can't release my game made in one month on PlayStation/Xbox/Switch.
Are you sure? Two of the games I linked are asset flips, so if they could get in there you have pretty good chances too.

Funnily enough, you're also implying they should tighten their quality control.
Nah, I'm saying that their quality control is more or less on the level of Steam.

You know, some minutes ago I said their quality control is not perfect and should be tightened. Thanks for proving my point :)

Alright, so you're also telling me there is quality control on Steam? Just confirm that, please.
DiceDsx Jul 11, 2022 @ 1:05pm 
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by DiceDsx:
Are you sure? Two of the games I linked are asset flips, so if they could get in there you have pretty good chances too.


Nah, I'm saying that their quality control is more or less on the level of Steam.

You know, some minutes ago I said their quality control is not perfect and should be tightened. Thanks for proving my point :)
Not perfect is an understatement.

It's funny you call Tree Simulator a screensaver, because the Wii beat it to the punch:

https://youtu.be/i2uQ0UakHY0
Pierce Dalton Jul 11, 2022 @ 1:14pm 
Originally posted by DiceDsx:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

You know, some minutes ago I said their quality control is not perfect and should be tightened. Thanks for proving my point :)
Not perfect is an understatement.

It's funny you call Tree Simulator a screensaver, because the Wii beat it to the punch:

https://youtu.be/i2uQ0UakHY0

A game from 2010? Alright.

Yep, that's not a game too. Thanks again :)

You didn't answer my question, though: so there IS quality control on Steam?
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