So Steams front store page now looks like an adult manga/anime shop

[GRIMM]

This is getting out of hand.

I really don't see any way of getting rid of this clutter, other than to go into each game and click "not interested", but then this does not affect the rest of the feed, just the top scrolling section.

Steam really needs to have a better way of personalizing the main store page for customers.

Maybe allowing you to pick a bunch of your favorite games, and using that data to generate a feed. Don't just go by what is in someones collection, since some of us collect games.

[Solarstrike]

That and the cluster of "upcoming" horribly mediocre games on the horizon. I seriously think Steam is done. With the amount of poor quality games being released and Greenlit, i seriously doubt there's enough people buying games to keep the company in the black. Apple or Google will probably end up buying it. With all do respect, Steam made it's money and had it's glory.

It's time for Mr. Gaben and crew to retire. Sell Valve and all it's IP's. Let someone else take the reigns and maybe just maybe, the world will see a HL3 and quality again.

Just take a look at the colours on this page. The layout of the forums, the layout of Steam store page. Nothing has changed. Websites and programs like Origin and Uplay change to keep things interesting visually, but Steam is stuck in a time loop. It's like there's noone with creativity or drive or motivation over at Valve/Steam. That makes me sad.

[Chompman]

Messaggio originale di Solarstrike:

That and the cluster of "upcoming" horribly mediocre games on the horizon. I seriously think Steam is done. With the amount of poor quality games being released and Greenlit, i seriously doubt there's enough people buying games to keep the company in the black. Apple or Google will probably end up buying it. With all do respect, Steam made it's money and had it's glory.

It's time for Mr. Gaben and crew to retire. Sell Valve and all it's IP's. Let someone else take the reigns and maybe just maybe, the world will see a HL3 and quality again.

Just take a look at the colours on this page. The layout of the forums, the layout of Steam store page. Nothing has changed. Websites and programs like Origin and Uplay change to keep things interesting visually, byt Steam it seems is stuck in a time loop.

1. Huge games have been released recently like civ 6 and there are plenty coming up.

Just because you do not like some indie games means nothing for steam as many do and again this is out of steams control as more games on steam is better obviously.

2. As for the appearance of steams site I have no issues and change is not always a good thing as we have seen and people complain when it happens and usually it's for the worse thus why origin and uplay numbers have been down for awhile but then again most of their games are available for here also and their inventory is minor compared to steam still.

People don't seem to realize but the reason you are seeing these types of "adult" games is because of what you have bought and viewed in your history thus you see them while those that don't do not see them.

[Ogami]

Messaggio originale di Solarstrike:

That and the cluster of "upcoming" horribly mediocre games on the horizon. I seriously think Steam is done. With the amount of poor quality games being released and Greenlit, i seriously doubt there's enough people buying games to keep the company in the black. Apple or Google will probably end up buying it. With all do respect, Steam made it's money and had it's glory.

Yeah..... not gonna happen. Steam made 4 billion dollars in 2015. From game sales and the community market. They could fill the store with 99% shovelware and still make a profit.
Putting games on Steam does not cost VALVE anything. On the contrary, the developers of those crappy greenlit games pay Steam money to get their games on the store.
STEAM was never more succesfull. 2015 was the best year they ever had ( no numbers for 2016 at this moment) and this success will just go bigger.
STEAM has a 95% market monoply for pc games. All the other sites like ORIGIN, UPLAY , GOG and so COMBINED dont even reach 5% of STEAMs market share.

So its not even wishful thinking that Steam is on a downfall its plain illusional.

[PocketYoda]

Messaggio originale di xaxazak:

Messaggio originale di Pinkamena Diane Pyro:

Most of the people on Steam who hate the anime games are virgins who think a female character showing a square inch of bear skin anywhere other than their face is pornography.

Messaggio originale di DanteYoda:

I think its more the religious customers, they seem to be taught sex is guilty and shouldn't be fun..

You don't supply much evidence for that. IMHO most complainers would be just as upset if Steam started putting jewelry on their front page, or holiday packages. They're here for games. For most, VNs aren't games. Anime VNs are also generally about relationships AFAICT, which makes them even less appealing to the average gamer.

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I don't want derail the topic save to note it's not socially acceptable to be selling paedophilic material on a site used by many children.

Are you accusing them of that? Do you have examples? If not, why bring it up?

I don't need evidence just look at religious people.. they are guilty for everything they do..

[76561198001062896]

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I think the arguments on sex and violence go deeper and more complex than that.

First in human societies there is now near universality that sex is practised privately whilst displays of aggression tend to be more public. Most societies prohibit the showing of human genitalia in public and, with some exceptions, female breasts. Some go a lot further. But sports amd miltary displays, a codification of violence, are openly displayed. In fact gaming has almost certainly reduced violent offences because teenagers are staying in their rooms interacting online rather than out on the streets.

Japan lacks the prohibitions on art showing children in sexualised circumstances that countries like the U.K., the USA, and Australia have. Manga style has the impact of making characters look young. This is where Steam needs to be very careful. Images that are lawful in Japan carry a prison sentence for possession in the USA and many European countries - and a far higher one for distribution for profit.

I don't want derail the topic save to note it's not socially acceptable to be selling paedophilic material on a site used by many children.

S.x.

Uh i think what constitues pedophilic content or not is based on other things

And usually many of these games explicitly state the characters featured are over 18 so yeah

Legally im doubtful any of these count as such but im no legal expert so hey

Theres a difference between eechi and loli content. You think these are pedophile content, you have clearly no idea what constitutes actual CP material. (and trust me, you dont want to see such material unless you wanna throw up your gutts)


Back to the topic: legal part of "loli" content depends of individual local regulations and afaik there is still no clear yes or no about this question in the US

Not to mention: HOW exactly one decides if a drawing features underaged characters? Based on physical appearence, apart some obvious cases? (keep in mind that many japanese women for instance may look younger than they actually are)

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Messaggio originale di Zetikla:

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I think the arguments on sex and violence go deeper and more complex than that.

First in human societies there is now near universality that sex is practised privately whilst displays of aggression tend to be more public. Most societies prohibit the showing of human genitalia in public and, with some exceptions, female breasts. Some go a lot further. But sports amd miltary displays, a codification of violence, are openly displayed. In fact gaming has almost certainly reduced violent offences because teenagers are staying in their rooms interacting online rather than out on the streets.

Japan lacks the prohibitions on art showing children in sexualised circumstances that countries like the U.K., the USA, and Australia have. Manga style has the impact of making characters look young. This is where Steam needs to be very careful. Images that are lawful in Japan carry a prison sentence for possession in the USA and many European countries - and a far higher one for distribution for profit.

I don't want derail the topic save to note it's not socially acceptable to be selling paedophilic material on a site used by many children.

S.x.

Uh i think what constitues pedophilic content or not is based on other things

And usually many of these games explicitly state the characters featured are over 18 so yeah

Legally im doubtful any of these count as such but im no legal expert so hey

Theres a difference between eechi and loli content. You think these are pedophile content, you have clearly no idea what constitutes actual CP material. (and trust me, you dont want to see such material unless you wanna throw up your gutts)


Back to the topic: legal part of "loli" content depends of individual local regulations and afaik there is still no clear yes or no about this question in the US

Not to mention: HOW exactly one decides if a drawing features underaged characters? Based on physical appearence, apart some obvious cases? (keep in mind that many japanese women for instance may look younger than they actually are)

I've probably got a better idea of what the non animated material contains than most - a professional knowledge.

Hunnie Pop has a character in school uniform so it's definitely pushing the boundaries.

In the U.K. any "indecent" image of a person under 18 is illegal to possess. Sometimes the police have taken quite a draconian view on what constitutes "indecent" - it doesn't necessarily have to be (even partially) naked.

The problem on deciding how old someone in a drawing is can be tricky - particularly with trhe wide eyed Manga style that has a juvenilising effect. There can be times when you could question whether using law enforcement to decide the legal age of characters in a drawing produced and distributed legally in Japan is the best way of protecting children. I think it was mainly brought in to cover cases where images of actual abuse had been rotoscoped to turn them into drawings.

That said Steam with a high proportion of child users and the capacity to "gift" to friends would be an attractive stalking ground for paedophiles. I had to report one post where the OP was seeking contact with under 14s.

Steam's quality control is sub standard but in this area they need to be careful. Ignoring a publisher producing consistently awful games is one thing (cougheD, CougH), turning a blind eye to selling indecent images of children could cause them a world of pain. The offence carries a prison sentence with guidelines in the 3 - 5 years mark and an unlimited fine. And the negative publicity would be appalling. If Steam was successfully prosecuted before the UK courts there would be undoubtedly calls to ban the site in the UK. And that would be bad news for British gamers and Steam.

S.x.

[Ogami]

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I've probably got a better idea of what the non animated material contains than most - a professional knowledge.

Hunnie Pop has a character in school uniform so it's definitely pushing the boundaries.

In the U.K. any "indecent" image of a person under 18 is illegal to possess. Sometimes the police have taken quite a draconian view on what constitutes "indecent" - it doesn't necessarily have to be (even partially) naked.

The problem on deciding how old someone in a drawing is can be tricky - particularly with trhe wide eyed Manga style that has a juvenilising effect. There can be times when you could question whether using law enforcement to decide the legal age of characters in a drawing produced and distributed legally in Japan is the best way of protecting children. I think it was mainly brought in to cover cases where images of actual abuse had been rotoscoped to turn them into drawings.

That said Steam with a high proportion of child users and the capacity to "gift" to friends would be an attractive stalking ground for paedophiles. I had to report one post where the OP was seeking contact with under 14s.

Steam's quality control is sub standard but in this area they need to be careful. Ignoring a publisher producing consistently awful games is one thing (cougheD, CougH), turning a blind eye to selling indecent images of children could cause them a world of pain. The offence carries a prison sentence with guidelines in the 3 - 5 years mark and an unlimited fine. And the negative publicity would be appalling. If Steam was successfully prosecuted before the UK courts there would be undoubtedly calls to ban the site in the UK. And that would be bad news for British gamers and Steam.

S.x.

VALVE is an american company and even hardcore lolicon hentai is legal in the USA since its just fiction. The reason why child pornography is illegal is because it is harmful to children and is always an abuse of power situation.
None of this occurs in fictional content such as lolicon. I know that Great Britain has some draconian laws regarding this stuff, but its also fact thats its legal in most of the world.
You cant change a worldwide shop to just cater to one country.
Steam could maybe enforce region locks for certain games if such content is problematic in some countries but thats about it.

Also there are blatant Lolicon porn games on Steam already. For example:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/349300/

Even in this censored Steam All Ages versions there is still a lot of ecchi stuff like underage girls in panties and even sex scenes just without the CG. And the uncensor patch to make the
Steam version 18+ again is easily obtainable.
If games like that can be released on Steam ( and the USA where the uncensored non steam version was released) without a problem then i guess VAVLE is pretty sure they wont have any problems.
That is by the way not judgment about this game i shown as a example. Its actually pretty good and i played the japanese original a few years ago.

[76561198001062896]

Messaggio originale di Ogami:

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I've probably got a better idea of what the non animated material contains than most - a professional knowledge.

Hunnie Pop has a character in school uniform so it's definitely pushing the boundaries.

In the U.K. any "indecent" image of a person under 18 is illegal to possess. Sometimes the police have taken quite a draconian view on what constitutes "indecent" - it doesn't necessarily have to be (even partially) naked.

The problem on deciding how old someone in a drawing is can be tricky - particularly with trhe wide eyed Manga style that has a juvenilising effect. There can be times when you could question whether using law enforcement to decide the legal age of characters in a drawing produced and distributed legally in Japan is the best way of protecting children. I think it was mainly brought in to cover cases where images of actual abuse had been rotoscoped to turn them into drawings.

That said Steam with a high proportion of child users and the capacity to "gift" to friends would be an attractive stalking ground for paedophiles. I had to report one post where the OP was seeking contact with under 14s.

Steam's quality control is sub standard but in this area they need to be careful. Ignoring a publisher producing consistently awful games is one thing (cougheD, CougH), turning a blind eye to selling indecent images of children could cause them a world of pain. The offence carries a prison sentence with guidelines in the 3 - 5 years mark and an unlimited fine. And the negative publicity would be appalling. If Steam was successfully prosecuted before the UK courts there would be undoubtedly calls to ban the site in the UK. And that would be bad news for British gamers and Steam.

S.x.

VALVE is an american company and even hardcore lolicon hentai is legal in the USA since its just fiction. The reason why child pornography is illegal is because it is harmful to children and is always an abuse of power situation.
None of this occurs in fictional content such as lolicon. I know that Great Britain has some draconian laws regarding this stuff, but its also fact thats its legal in most of the world.
You cant change a worldwide shop to just cater to one country.
Steam could maybe enforce region locks for certain games if such content is problematic in some countries but thats about it.

Also there are blatant Lolicon porn games on Steam already. For example:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/349300/

Even in this censored Steam All Ages versions there is still a lot of ecchi stuff like underage girls in panties and even sex scenes just without the CG. And the uncensor patch to make the
Steam version 18+ again is easily obtainable.
If games like that can be released on Steam ( and the USA where the uncensored non steam version was released) without a problem then i guess VAVLE is pretty sure they wont have any problems.
That is by the way not judgment about this game i shown as a example. Its actually pretty good and i played the japanese original a few years ago.

imho nude patches and other mods that can be downloaded on third party sites aka outside of Steam are hardly inside Valves responsibility zone.

we all know how the internet works, unless Vale explicitly puts pressure on dev to make sure the game cannot be modded its not gonna happen (and even then when there is a demand for such it will exist, just like drugs)


but you are right though, i mean lets be honest here: Valve more than certainly has legal experts to consult on such so its not like they woke up one day and decided: you know what, lets sell adult themed VN on Steam!

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Messaggio originale di Ogami:

Messaggio originale di gallifrey:

I've probably got a better idea of what the non animated material contains than most - a professional knowledge.

Hunnie Pop has a character in school uniform so it's definitely pushing the boundaries.

In the U.K. any "indecent" image of a person under 18 is illegal to possess. Sometimes the police have taken quite a draconian view on what constitutes "indecent" - it doesn't necessarily have to be (even partially) naked.

The problem on deciding how old someone in a drawing is can be tricky - particularly with trhe wide eyed Manga style that has a juvenilising effect. There can be times when you could question whether using law enforcement to decide the legal age of characters in a drawing produced and distributed legally in Japan is the best way of protecting children. I think it was mainly brought in to cover cases where images of actual abuse had been rotoscoped to turn them into drawings.

That said Steam with a high proportion of child users and the capacity to "gift" to friends would be an attractive stalking ground for paedophiles. I had to report one post where the OP was seeking contact with under 14s.

Steam's quality control is sub standard but in this area they need to be careful. Ignoring a publisher producing consistently awful games is one thing (cougheD, CougH), turning a blind eye to selling indecent images of children could cause them a world of pain. The offence carries a prison sentence with guidelines in the 3 - 5 years mark and an unlimited fine. And the negative publicity would be appalling. If Steam was successfully prosecuted before the UK courts there would be undoubtedly calls to ban the site in the UK. And that would be bad news for British gamers and Steam.

S.x.

VALVE is an american company and even hardcore lolicon hentai is legal in the USA since its just fiction. The reason why child pornography is illegal is because it is harmful to children and is always an abuse of power situation.
None of this occurs in fictional content such as lolicon. I know that Great Britain has some draconian laws regarding this stuff, but its also fact thats its legal in most of the world.
You cant change a worldwide shop to just cater to one country.
Steam could maybe enforce region locks for certain games if such content is problematic in some countries but thats about it.

Also there are blatant Lolicon porn games on Steam already. For example:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/349300/

Even in this censored Steam All Ages versions there is still a lot of ecchi stuff like underage girls in panties and even sex scenes just without the CG. And the uncensor patch to make the
Steam version 18+ again is easily obtainable.
If games like that can be released on Steam ( and the USA where the uncensored non steam version was released) without a problem then i guess VAVLE is pretty sure they wont have any problems.
That is by the way not judgment about this game i shown as a example. Its actually pretty good and i played the japanese original a few years ago.

There are states in the USA where it is legal to grow, sell, and possess cannabis. Try walking through Heathrow (London's largest airport) with two kilos of skunk in your rucksack and saying "well it's legal back home" to see if you get a get out of jail free card. You won't.

You HAVE to change a world wide shop to take care of local laws. Germany has very strong regulations regarding violence in video games and a search on YouTube will provide you with Top 10s of banned games in various jurisdictions.

Region locks on prohibited material would probably be adequate tro show a lack of intention to distribute in that location and reasonable care to prevent it. But Steam needs to up its care far higher than it normally does in game distribution to satisfy that test.

S.x.

[Gallifrey - CSSC Gaming Founder]

Messaggio originale di Solarstrike:

That and the cluster of "upcoming" horribly mediocre games on the horizon. I seriously think Steam is done. With the amount of poor quality games being released and Greenlit, i seriously doubt there's enough people buying games to keep the company in the black. Apple or Google will probably end up buying it. With all do respect, Steam made it's money and had it's glory.

It's time for Mr. Gaben and crew to retire. Sell Valve and all it's IP's. Let someone else take the reigns and maybe just maybe, the world will see a HL3 and quality again.

Just take a look at the colours on this page. The layout of the forums, the layout of Steam store page. Nothing has changed. Websites and programs like Origin and Uplay change to keep things interesting visually, but Steam is stuck in a time loop. It's like there's noone with creativity or drive or motivation over at Valve/Steam. That makes me sad.

No, no, NO !

Firstly you're factually wrong. Steam is selling more games to more people and recovering higher profit than ever before.

Secondly we don't realise how lucky we are with Steam. Look at all the top notch games you get FREE on Steam ! Totally free. No nominal download fee. No adverts. How long would it be before an Origin or Microsoft decided to monetise that ?

Also Steam DOMINATES the PC download market. What would we do if a new CEO said that from now on no AAA games were going to sell for less than $20 to ensure developers were adequately rewarded ?

Origin's website sucks. I can never find anything I want to find and the forums aren't organised at all. If it isn't broke don't fix it. The logos of Sainsbury's and Barclays have remained unaltered in decades. Pointless change annoys users.

Valve would say their recent efforts have been directed towards VR and consoles - there they have been innovating.

Steam has been special for years in getting gamers really good deals on good games and providing a platform in which new developers can launch their games. It isn't perfect - but a more corporate, greedier management team could ruin the party for everyone.

If Gabe retires my message to the new CEO will be effectively carry on as before. And try to persuade Rockstar to release Red Dead Redemption on PC. It will make both companies a ton of money.

S.x.

[697830]

Messaggio originale di Tito Shivan:

You're just being aware of a market sector you weren't aware of.

Same as the people who see the store full of 'Zombie survival games', 'Whatever-boring simulator' or 'Silly 8bit indie games' while we all look at the same store.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_perception
Human psyche is a interesting machine.

OkayTito Shivan, If we are going that route and be all psychological about, it then people should not get in trouble for being reported for having game nudes on Steam profile avatars, screenshot or artwork? Because well it's just the reporting persons opposing viewpoints, and perception bias pre-existing beliefs about the brand.

[697830]

Messaggio originale di Zetikla:

imho nude patches and other mods that can be downloaded on third party sites aka outside of Steam are hardly inside Valves responsibility zone.

But the nudes keep getting posted on profiles and screenshots and artwork, in side Valves responsibility zone?

No need for posting rules then, because they clearly can't keep up anyway taking it down, the more of this sutff comes to Steam.

And we litteraly have people in these game hubs saying at release.

"I won't buy x if it is censored or has no nude patch."

It's here to stay.

[Chilled Nomi]

"How dare steam advertise games I dont like on its front page. Uuuuuurrgh"

[tomk1]

Messaggio originale di Grimroc:

This is getting out of hand.

I really don't see any way of getting rid of this clutter, other than to go into each game and click "not interested", but then this does not affect the rest of the feed, just the top scrolling section.

Steam really needs to have a better way of personalizing the main store page for customers.

Maybe allowing you to pick a bunch of your favorite games, and using that data to generate a feed. Don't just go by what is in someones collection, since some of us collect games.

Just stop looking at it, when you click Steam sees that you are intrested in it so, Steam offers more titlies to your bustiloius taste.

After millions of years of evolution some people find the human body shameful. Art reflects beauty.

Again if you dont wanna see it, dont click it.
Social justice warriors :/

[akhv]

Messaggio originale di tomk1:

Again if you dont wanna see it, dont click it.

Wrong answer. You cannot opt out of "popular new releases" and that's where all those spam games come from.

There's also good news. Now you can ban tags in discovery queue. It's a question of time until this feature comes out to front page too.