regarding the distinction between "community features" and "account features"

[kingjames488]

hope gaben won't be mad at me for bringing this issue to a public discussion, but I feel like it's worth discussing.

so, say... for whatever reason... you should get banned from posting on a certain community hub...

should you also be restricted from uploading your own screenshots to your own account(even privately)?

essentially is your steam user account an extension of the steam community? where should the line be drawn between "community features" and "account features"?

[Aachen]

So you want to still have access to screenshot-uploading, but have the capability locked to only allow them to be private?

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Aachen:

So you want to still have access to screenshot-uploading, but have the capability locked to only allow them to be private?

this seems like it gets to my point... what is a feature of a steam account and what is a feature of a specific community hub?

as I see it the steam client provides the screenshot feature and my steam profile is independent of any specific community so I don't see these things could be considered related?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Game hubs are the game developers area. Being banned from their forum is a complete game hub ban preventing you from that hubs features like adding screenshots.

You can still upload them as artwork.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Game hubs are the game developers area. Being banned from their forum is a complete game hub ban preventing you from that hubs features like adding screenshots.

You can still upload them as artwork.

:qr:

do you mean to upload it elsewhere and then add it to my steam account as an image? :S

indeed I've head similar work-arounds from *redacted*... I feel like there's an issue here that is kinda broken?

I think it's worth discussing the distinction between what is a feature of a community hub and what is a feature of a steam account, that's all. :)

[fluxtorrent]

everything on the profile is a community feature, distinction made.

Everything that's part of the profile AND tied to a specific game, is a hub feature. Distinction made.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

everything on the profile is a community feature, distinction made.

Everything that's part of the profile AND tied to a specific game, is a hub feature. Distinction made.

the official wording is "community hub features". there's also another classification of steam bans under the general community context restricting users from any community interactions at all which would seem to imply that the community is the social aspect of this hence the incoherency.

[fluxtorrent]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

everything on the profile is a community feature, distinction made.

Everything that's part of the profile AND tied to a specific game, is a hub feature. Distinction made.

the official wording is "community hub features". there's also another classification of steam bans under the general community context restricting users from any community interactions at all which would seem to imply that the community is the social aspect of this hence the incoherency.

Not at all, you CAN get a total community ban which prevents you from using ALL community features. That includes EVERY part of the profile, screenshots, artwork, profile name, the profile itself.

The distinctions are very clear. As I laid them out for you, anything on the profile is a community feature, combined that with anything tied to a specific game is a hub feature.

Get a ban in the hub you lose access to all it's community hub features.

Get a community ban you lose access to EVERYTHING but your library, and the ability to purchase games for yourself.

Get an account ban and you lose access to that AND the community.


edit:

There is also the lesser account restrictions which only limit some types of purchases, or all types or purchases, but dont affect community usage, but you werent really asking about them so i didnt think to include them initially

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

the official wording is "community hub features". there's also another classification of steam bans under the general community context restricting users from any community interactions at all which would seem to imply that the community is the social aspect of this hence the incoherency.

Not at all, you CAN get a total community ban which prevents you from using ALL community features. That includes EVERY part of the profile, screenshots, artwork, profile name, the profile itself.

The distinctions are very clear. As I laid them out for you, anything on the profile is a community feature, combined that with anything tied to a specific game is a hub feature.

Get a ban in the hub you lose access to all it's community hub features.

Get a community ban you lose access to EVERYTHING but your library, and the ability to purchase games for yourself.

Get an account ban and you lose access to that AND the community.


edit:

There is also the lesser account restrictions which only limit some types of purchases, or all types or purchases, but dont affect community usage, but you werent really asking about them so i didnt think to include them initially

I'm sure this makes perfect sense to you knowing how it works, looking at me like "heh, that's not how it works!"... opinions are what I'm looking for thank you :)

[fluxtorrent]

Fine, my opinion is "yes, you should"

And thats not just because I've seen how you post in hubs.

Account features are library related and should remain so, with all the restrictions laid out in the agreement as they are
Community features should remain as is, with all the restrictions laid out as is in the agreements as they are as well.

Your steam account is "not" an extension of the community features.

The line is drawn between the library tab, and the community tab

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Fine, my opinion is "yes, you should"

And thats not just because I've seen how you post in hubs.

Account features are library related and should remain so, with all the restrictions laid out in the agreement as they are
Community features should remain as is, with all the restrictions laid out as is in the agreements as they are as well.

Your steam account is "not" an extension of the community features.

The line is drawn between the library tab, and the community tab

I'm sorry, but your opinion seems highly biased.

not only is your revised "opinion" not a valid response to the premise but you seem to have a personal interest in this. with all due respect your personal opinion of me is not the topic of this discussion.

thanks again.

[fluxtorrent]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Fine, my opinion is "yes, you should"

And thats not just because I've seen how you post in hubs.

Account features are library related and should remain so, with all the restrictions laid out in the agreement as they are
Community features should remain as is, with all the restrictions laid out as is in the agreements as they are as well.

Your steam account is "not" an extension of the community features.

The line is drawn between the library tab, and the community tab

I'm sorry, but your opinion seems highly biased.

not only is your revised "opinion" not a valid response to the premise but you seem to have a personal interest in this.

thanks again.

Of course I'm biased, I'm a hub moderator. Last thing I want is some chucklehead to get banned and then run a muck in the screenshots, comments, and art tab like the old days

There's a REASON the divide is where it is, and no amount of opinions that disagree are going to convince Valve to go back to those days

[davidb11]

You seem confused here.
He knows how this works.
He's a literal moderator on a forum.
He understands how the banning features work.

You can't go around and claim paranoia when he speaks literal truth. LOL.

Dang, Flux posted before I could.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

I'm sorry, but your opinion seems highly biased.

not only is your revised "opinion" not a valid response to the premise but you seem to have a personal interest in this.

thanks again.

Of course I'm biased, I'm a hub moderator. Last thing I want is some chucklehead to get banned and then run a muck in the screenshots, comments, and art tab like the old days

There's a REASON the divide is where it is, and no amount of opinions that disagree are going to convince Valve to go back to those days

oh ya, a bunch of the policies make perfect sense to allow communities to moderate themselves as they wish... however that's not my point and I'm not talking about communities ability to moderate their content, sorry for the miss-understanding.

[Aachen]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

this seems like it gets to my point... what is a feature of a steam account and what is a feature of a specific community hub?

as I see it the steam client provides the screenshot feature and my steam profile is independent of any specific community so I don't see these things could be considered related?

Screenshots are uploaded to be shared with some set of users — seems clear that it’d sensibly included among the various community features. Do you dispute that?

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by Aachen:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

this seems like it gets to my point... what is a feature of a steam account and what is a feature of a specific community hub?

as I see it the steam client provides the screenshot feature and my steam profile is independent of any specific community so I don't see these things could be considered related?

Screenshots are uploaded to be shared with some set of users — seems clear that it’d sensibly included among the various community features. Do you dispute that?

I was under the impression that a privately uploaded screenshot was private?

edit: at least within the context of the steam community... ofc there are caviats inolving internet security and such.