Is this exceptable

[mo_thistledown]

Invisible Man VR In Eleanor's room

This game came across in my "new games Feed"

Is it really expectable to have a game where the point seems to be to know out a girl alone in her house and rape her.

I don't think so.

Can someone from steam explain why this sort of thing is allowed?

[K13Cove]

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Off the top of my head, I can clearly recall a cutscene in GTA 5 where Trevor kills Floyd and Debra for no justifiable reason. That is a main-story cutscene which is completely unavoidable.

Are you kidding me

Debra deserved it lol

Did Floyd? There's also missions like Management Issues in SA, Bringing the House Down in Liberty City Stories, and Hot Dog Homicide in GTA 2. I don't think you could genuinely make the case that GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents or otherwise encourage it at any point, since it absolutely does.

[Pierce Dalton]

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Are you kidding me

Debra deserved it lol

Did Floyd? There's also missions like Management Issues in SA, Bringing the House Down in Liberty City Stories, and Hot Dog Homicide in GTA 2. I don't think you could genuinely make the case that GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents or otherwise encourage it at any point, since it absolutely does.

It rarely does.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the truth is the depiction of murder is normalized in our society. I mean, kids that are 10yo are watching movies or series where people get killed, and yes sometimes innocent people. That's part of art.

The depiction of rape, though, that's not a common thing.

[Pierce Dalton]

Hey flux did you find any other cool game in my list

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doesnt steam/valve have to follow country classifications/ratings/restrictions

Maybe the op should go to their classification board
for their country if they have a complaint....

Australia has the Classifications ratings

from the website..
What we classify
Every film and computer game has to be classified before it can be legally made available to the Australian public, unless it is exempt or is being shown at a registered event.

Films
Films include movies and episodic series available on streaming services, DVD or Blu-ray and in cinemas or festivals.

Computer games
Computer games include games played on consoles, computers and mobile devices such as phones and tablets.

Publications
Only some publications, called ‘submittable publications’ need to be classified. Submittable publications are those that contain depictions or descriptions that are:

likely to cause the publication to be Refused Classification (RC)
likely to cause offence to a reasonable adult
unsuitable for a minor to see or read
Other
We also classify films, computer games and publications content submitted by:

Australian state and federal police
external link:Australian Border Force
the external link: e-Safety Commissioner

[K13Cove]

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Did Floyd? There's also missions like Management Issues in SA, Bringing the House Down in Liberty City Stories, and Hot Dog Homicide in GTA 2. I don't think you could genuinely make the case that GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents or otherwise encourage it at any point, since it absolutely does.

It rarely does.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the truth is the depiction of murder is normalized in our society. I mean, kids that are 10yo are watching movies or series where people get killed, and yes sometimes innocent people. That's part of art.

The depiction of rape, though, that's not a common thing.

It often does, through crossfire casualties or other unnamed randoms being offed in heists or larger criminal activities (which are wrong anyway). Your initial point was that it *doesn't* happen at all, not that it rarely happens.

Whether or not something depicted is common, normalised or not is irrelevant. What matters is if it's wrong. So that means that either all morally wrong acts (stealing, murder, assault, rape, etc.) are now a massive problem in videogames, or none of them are. I'm going with none of them being a problem, since they're obviously fictional. Are you telling me that, in the future, if rape became normalised in media you'd no longer have any issues with people playing games with it as a theme?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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doesnt steam/valve have to follow country classifications/ratings/restrictions

In all seriousness if they did follow them at all, I doubt half the games would be on Steam at all, like this is even those outside of adult games as some digital laws are, by all honesty, rather extreme

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Did Floyd? There's also missions like Management Issues in SA, Bringing the House Down in Liberty City Stories, and Hot Dog Homicide in GTA 2. I don't think you could genuinely make the case that GTA doesn't force you to kill innocents or otherwise encourage it at any point, since it absolutely does.

It rarely does.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the truth is the depiction of murder is normalized in our society. I mean, kids that are 10yo are watching movies or series where people get killed, and yes sometimes innocent people. That's part of art.

The depiction of rape, though, that's not a common thing.

So, we moved from "GTA does not force you to kill innocents" to "Usually" and now we're at "Rarely".

All of this dancing around instead of just saying "I was wrong."

If those games are allowed in Steam, then this game should be as well.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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doesnt steam/valve have to follow country classifications/ratings/restrictions

In all seriousness if they did follow them at all, I doubt half the games would be on Steam at all, like this is even those outside of adult games as some digital laws are, by all honesty, rather extreme

They don't really. Publishers can choose to get their game rated but it is not a requirement for Valve.

It will cause games to be restricted most likely since some countries require a rating. But Valve themselves do not require one.

[Pierce Dalton]

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It rarely does.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the truth is the depiction of murder is normalized in our society. I mean, kids that are 10yo are watching movies or series where people get killed, and yes sometimes innocent people. That's part of art.

The depiction of rape, though, that's not a common thing.

It often does, through crossfire casualties or other unnamed randoms being offed in heists or larger criminal activities (which are wrong anyway). Your initial point was that it *doesn't* happen at all, not that it rarely happens.

Whether or not something depicted is common, normalised or not is irrelevant. What matters is if it's wrong. So that means that either all morally wrong acts (stealing, murder, assault, rape, etc.) are now a massive problem in videogames, or none of them are. I'm going with none of them being a problem, since they're obviously fictional. Are you telling me that, in the future, if rape became normalised in media you'd no longer have any issues with people playing games with it as a theme?

Wow.

You're really bad at interpretating stuff. No, I'm not telling you that.

[K13Cove]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

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It often does, through crossfire casualties or other unnamed randoms being offed in heists or larger criminal activities (which are wrong anyway). Your initial point was that it *doesn't* happen at all, not that it rarely happens.

Whether or not something depicted is common, normalised or not is irrelevant. What matters is if it's wrong. So that means that either all morally wrong acts (stealing, murder, assault, rape, etc.) are now a massive problem in videogames, or none of them are. I'm going with none of them being a problem, since they're obviously fictional. Are you telling me that, in the future, if rape became normalised in media you'd no longer have any issues with people playing games with it as a theme?

Wow.

You're really bad at interpretating stuff. No, I'm not telling you that.

Your point is seemingly founded off social acceptability and prevalence of themes in media to decide if it belongs on Steam. If that isn't the case and I'm misinterpreting it, then what are you attempting to convey with comparing how common these acts are in media? If there's some sort of policy you think should be tied to that, then I think it would be overly arbitrary, inconsistent, and selective.

[Pierce Dalton]

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It rarely does.

Anyway, whether you like it or not, the truth is the depiction of murder is normalized in our society. I mean, kids that are 10yo are watching movies or series where people get killed, and yes sometimes innocent people. That's part of art.

The depiction of rape, though, that's not a common thing.

So, we moved from "GTA does not force you to kill innocents" to "Usually" and now we're at "Rarely".

All of this dancing around instead of just saying "I was wrong."

If those games are allowed in Steam, then this game should be as well.

You must be the king of trolls, dude. You missed me? Or flux asked for your support?

GTA does not force you to kill innocent people, that's your choice.

By innocent people I meant npc's, duh.

[Pierce Dalton]

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Wow.

You're really bad at interpretating stuff. No, I'm not telling you that.

Your point is seemingly founded off social acceptability and prevalence of themes in media to decide if it belongs on Steam. If that isn't the case and I'm misinterpreting it, then what are you attempting to convey with comparing how common these acts are in media? If there's some sort of policy you think should be tied to that, then I think it would be overly arbitrary, inconsistent, and selective.

Take your complaints to Valve, then. They removed "Rape Day" years ago but GTA is still here.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

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So, we moved from "GTA does not force you to kill innocents" to "Usually" and now we're at "Rarely".

All of this dancing around instead of just saying "I was wrong."

If those games are allowed in Steam, then this game should be as well.

You must be the king of trolls, dude. You missed me? Or flux asked for your support?

GTA does not force you to kill innocent people, that's your choice.

By innocent people I meant npc's, duh.

Look at that goalposts move. Now we're back to it doesn't after literally saying it rarely does.

Amazing.

Anyway, it's been shown it does. If that's allowed on Steam, then so should the game OP has an issue with.

[Pierce Dalton]

Първоначално публикувано от KittenGrindr:

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You must be the king of trolls, dude. You missed me? Or flux asked for your support?

GTA does not force you to kill innocent people, that's your choice.

By innocent people I meant npc's, duh.

Look at that goalposts move. Now we're back to it doesn't after literally saying it rarely does.

Amazing.

Anyway, it's been shown it does. If that's allowed on Steam, then so should the game OP has an issue with.

You're wrong and that's easy to prove.

[K13Cove]

Първоначално публикувано от Pierce Dalton:

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Your point is seemingly founded off social acceptability and prevalence of themes in media to decide if it belongs on Steam. If that isn't the case and I'm misinterpreting it, then what are you attempting to convey with comparing how common these acts are in media? If there's some sort of policy you think should be tied to that, then I think it would be overly arbitrary, inconsistent, and selective.

Take your complaints to Valve, then. They removed "Rape Day" years ago but GTA is still here.

Those aren't my complaints; I've played GTA plenty of times on console, precisely because I don't have any issue with people liking or engaging in those themes in fiction. I'm just trying to discern what your issue with "Invisible Man VR In Eleanor's Room" is, since you seem to agree with the thread creator on the subject.