Valve must allow ChäoS;HEAd Noah

[ValentB]

Valve allows lots of trash, russian bear vodka s**t, furry degenerate s**t, sex with hitler, acquitted, lock her up alt-right junk but not the classic cult game from a trusted known publisher?
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/regarding-the-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

Release Chaos;HeaD Noah here.

Update from 7 October:
We have won!!!
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

[etch]

None of that is relevant if the game was rated by the ESRB and will be sold on store shelves such as at Target, Walmart and Best Buy in North America.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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None of that is relevant if the game was rated by the ESRB and will be sold on store shelves such as at Target, Walmart and Best Buy in North America.

Thats the issue...I've found no ESRB rating for it, I found the Japanese rating with ease but I pushed it a bit further and found literally no existence for any of the Chaos Head's having ESRB's, even prior ones then to this, and thats with me going directly to the ESRB website in of itself which honestly makes it harder for Steam to okay it without a proper ESRB warning of some kind.

Scrasms lähetti viestin:

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

So according to the games own details the player can cause several different story elements, including the largest and most pressing one being terrorism and suicide themes against not adults, but against teens.

Now for those that are not aware, the United States would give Steam some swift kicks in the nards just for having this. Ya Steam has some bad games but I hate to admit even the Hitler games are all adults and not anyone under that age.

You know perhaps it might just be me, but given whats going on in the game that I never heard of and the pictures I saw, seriously the censorship seems less to do with anything then a bloody age change.

Like how hard is that for publishers to do? Like ya I saw the game that exists on here, but the fact the devs felt the need to say "no these are teens, not adults!" kinda was their own fault.

Hell steam banned the adult patch for Nekopara 4 because they felt that one of the catgirls looked to young but thats a straight up adult game at that point anyways, in this situation I dont blame steam, honestly I'm more impressed whoever is making the game went and did a public stunt like this when all they'd have to do is alter the text to give a different age number, at that point they'd be set to go.

There's terror games on Steam, but their all full of adults.


Whats with Japan and young people either forced into fetishistic hellworlds or into nightmare torture porn? Like no hate to anyone that enjoy these games, after all to each their own but seriously why cant they just alter the age before shipping so everyone can get the game.

You can't really change the age of the characters without altering major plot elements of a 14 year old game. So yeah, quite a dilemma we fans have found ourselves in.

I more so just meant changing the text a bit, but thats fair enough I agree

[etch]

Not all ratings are made public before release, the ESRB and PEGI ratings are on the eShop page as proof enough.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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Not all ratings are made public before release, the ESRB and PEGI ratings are on the eShop page as proof enough.

I'd agree if other Choas Gates didnt exist, but they do, the fact Noah is a remake of the original from 2009, and to quote the page itself: The Xbox 360 and PS Vita versions of ChäoS;HEAd NoAH are uncensored, with a Cero Z Rating (18+). The PS3, PSP, Android and iOS editions received censorship regarding violence and sexual violence, and they have a CERO D rating (17+). Notably, the Nintendo Switch version is also censored in a manner akin to the CERO D releases despite having a CERO Z Rating.

So it has the CERO rating (The Japanese ESRB) but literally even the original 2009 original has no ESRB, which the fact it even says its uncensored is....well, its Steam, already the word itself tends to get one backhanded..

[etch]

I don't see how any of that is relevant as it would not be still on track to release in 6 days if it did not have a solid ESRB or PEGI confirmation. There is no reason for the original 2009 release to have an ESRB rating because it was never planned to release in North America. It technically has two ESRB or PEGI ratings confirmed. 1) The individual rating present on the eShop listing 2) The rating for the physical bundle with Chaos;Child. The bundle rating is also M meaning and further confirming that Chaos;Head Noah could not be rated higher than M since Chaos;Child has already been rated M for years from prior English releases.

[Brian9824]

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

So according to the games own details the player can cause several different story elements, including the largest and most pressing one being terrorism and suicide themes against not adults, but against teens.

Now for those that are not aware, the United States would give Steam some swift kicks in the nards just for having this. Ya Steam has some bad games but I hate to admit even the Hitler games are all adults and not anyone under that age.

Its possible, but far from defintiitve. Plenty of shows, games etc have terrorism as a theme. Far more likely that its Steam itself who is deciding against it as the US government isnt going to get involved until after its released as no law would have been broken

[xHans]

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

Whats with Japan and young people either forced into fetishistic hellworlds or into nightmare torture porn? Like no hate to anyone that enjoy these games, after all to each their own but seriously why cant they just alter the age before shipping so everyone can get the game.

That is a you problem and not a Japan problem. Well you see, you see suicide as a fetish and cannot stand reading a story filled with adversity and actual consequences. Unlike the adults around here which is the games intended audience.

You hear the mention "suicide" and "young people" then go on about how steam is justified and how Japan is wrong just goes to show how you aren't ready to have these types of conversation. If anything, it raises awareness of the struggles a person can go through when they are having suicidal thoughts.

If anyone has a youtuber friend just spread the word, have them make videos about it with the FACT that steam has a bot reviewing these games and at the same time ruining the VN industry because the devs will just make ALOT less money if they sell games outside of steam.

My problem is steams inconsistency. I wouldn't complain if all adult rated games gets banned because its their platform but it seems to me Valve is just randomly accepting and denying games seeing how we have hardcore uncensored degenerate furry on a thumbnail in the store front.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

brian9824 lähetti viestin:

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

So according to the games own details the player can cause several different story elements, including the largest and most pressing one being terrorism and suicide themes against not adults, but against teens.

Now for those that are not aware, the United States would give Steam some swift kicks in the nards just for having this. Ya Steam has some bad games but I hate to admit even the Hitler games are all adults and not anyone under that age.

Its possible, but far from defintiitve. Plenty of shows, games etc have terrorism as a theme. Far more likely that its Steam itself who is deciding against it as the US government isnt going to get involved until after its released as no law would have been broken

So you see Steam disagree's. Much like Nekopara 4, Steam banned its adult patch because an adult catgirl that just looked young was enough to warrent it, in this situation if there's any adult content even associated with anyone not any adult literally should get understablely blackbagged by Valve.

Now understand, I'm not saying the game has kids, but it clearly indeed states their not adults, which honestly going by even Steam's standards is a huge red flag and ya, I saw how there's not CGI but even so the two literally that close and Steam asking for a censoring of that is far more understandable.

Actually you know after going in and SEEING THERES LITERALLY ONLY ONE ECCHI SCENE IN THE ENTIRE DANG GAME THAT STEAM ASKED TO BE CENSORED should of honestly been so freakin easy to do, the fact that Steam even had to raise questionable eye brows at the fact that the devs confirming their not adults in any sexual situations honestly seems rather uhhh....


Well you know...

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

xHans lähetti viestin:

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

Whats with Japan and young people either forced into fetishistic hellworlds or into nightmare torture porn? Like no hate to anyone that enjoy these games, after all to each their own but seriously why cant they just alter the age before shipping so everyone can get the game.

That is a you problem and not a Japan problem. Well you see, you see suicide as a fetish and cannot stand reading a story filled with adversity and actual consequences. Unlike the adults around here which is the games intended audience.

You hear the mention "suicide" and "young people" then go on about how steam is justified and how Japan is wrong just goes to show how you aren't ready to have these types of conversation. If anything, it raises awareness of the struggles a person can go through when they are having suicidal thoughts.

If anyone has a youtuber friend just spread the word, have them make videos about it with the FACT that steam has a bot reviewing these games and at the same time ruining the VN industry because the devs will just make ALOT less money if they sell games outside of steam.

My problem is steams inconsistency. I wouldn't complain if all adult rated games gets banned because its their platform but it seems to me Valve is just randomly accepting and denying games seeing how we have hardcore uncensored degenerate furry on a thumbnail in the store front.

I never said it was a japanese problem to start with, what I said was I get how it was able to be sold in Japan and not on Steam, thats clear as day.

Here's the thing, Steam does not care about its audience, if they did then you and I both know that things would be far far different here, especially if they did, this thread would not exist mate, Steam made it clear honestly adult themes in a game that clearly states teens are doing it, is borderline against standard steam TOS, which honestly explains why others largely ignored it as honestly it seems someone made it their main priority to over clarify that fact to Steam




Which, is strange, if its one part and honestly one that could be skipped like other Steam altered games, I am lost why it got banned. Lets be blunt lads, Steam just does not ban games, less we forget that one Roman game by a rather nasty dev, something seems off and it feels like Steam or someone else kept pushing Steam and Steam put its foot down to me, because honestly ya, Steam has bad stuff, but the fact that Steam just says its due to an adult theme part which, I will note even the game outside of steam says its an ecchi moment with no CGI makes it seem that someone made it seem worse then it is.

I doubt its the suicide part, or mass murder as honestly these so many games with those on steam that are not even RPG's, let alone story based that honestly I'd be shocked it that was the reason, it feels like someone made it their goal to make it seem Chaos Head had actual illegal stuff in it.

Note: Like I said, I didnt play any of the games before and that by word just seems off to me, so one at Steam who also never played it, makes it seem rather off.



It feels like a PR screw up then an actual developer-Steam one...

[Yuzzers]

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

brian9824 lähetti viestin:

Its possible, but far from defintiitve. Plenty of shows, games etc have terrorism as a theme. Far more likely that its Steam itself who is deciding against it as the US government isnt going to get involved until after its released as no law would have been broken

So you see Steam disagree's. Much like Nekopara 4, Steam banned its adult patch because an adult catgirl that just looked young was enough to warrent it, in this situation if there's any adult content even associated with anyone not any adult literally should get understablely blackbagged by Valve.

Now understand, I'm not saying the game has kids, but it clearly indeed states their not adults, which honestly going by even Steam's standards is a huge red flag and ya, I saw how there's not CGI but even so the two literally that close and Steam asking for a censoring of that is far more understandable.

Actually you know after going in and SEEING THERES LITERALLY ONLY ONE ECCHI SCENE IN THE ENTIRE DANG GAME THAT STEAM ASKED TO BE CENSORED should of honestly been so freakin easy to do, the fact that Steam even had to raise questionable eye brows at the fact that the devs confirming their not adults in any sexual situations honestly seems rather uhhh....


Well you know...

That raises questions regarding why the other Nekopara games were allowed on Steam. As you sex one-year-olds catgirls in those games, but they are cats, so you have to use cat ages for them.
Well, a quick google search says the first year of a cat is considered equivalent to 15 human years, which would still make it underage.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Note for everyone:

After looking into it... https://steamdb.info/app/1961950/history/
Steam never removed the app, and on the games list, it just says Unreleased, and further more going into full fledged reading, Steam didnt "ban it" to start with, thats the overreactionary comments so far.

https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/regarding-the-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

As a matter of fact: Spike Chunsoft, Inc. today regrets to announce that it will not be able to release CHAOS;HEAD NOAH on Steam as originally planned due to Steam's guideline-required changes to the game's content. Spike Chunsoft, Inc. believes these changes would not allow the game to be released to its standards.

Steam never banned it, Spike are saying that the censoring they feel would make the game not what it should be. Steam literally never banned it, heck the page exists ready still, Spike literally pulled out during literally the voting and..given its release date, makes sense.

7 days is not enough time to censor a game, repackage them all and reship...

[ValentB]

You have a point but Steam too, could reach to SpikeChunsoft and assure them that the game can be released in its current state.

[Lord Bidón]

+1
Wanted to play this on my Deck.
Will still play it, but shame for no achievements neither cloud saves.

As protest, from now on i will just buy games on sites like Humble Bundle or Fanatical. That way i can continue to use Steam, without giving Valve a single dime as they don't receive a cut from key sales.

Ha! That will teach them!

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

ValentB lähetti viestin:

You have a point but Steam too, could reach to SpikeChunsoft and assure them that the game can be released in its current state.

I dont think Steam said no frankly, like the fact the page literally pre-existed makes me question if there ever was an issue, as lets be honest, there would not be a pre-page had it not been approved which honestly is rather weird, steam has banned stuff before and they never got pages which makes me wonder what went wrong in the middle.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Lustrous Spirit lähetti viestin:

So according to the games own details the player can cause several different story elements, including the largest and most pressing one being terrorism and suicide themes against not adults, but against teens.

Now for those that are not aware, the United States would give Steam some swift kicks in the nards just for having this. Ya Steam has some bad games but I hate to admit even the Hitler games are all adults and not anyone under that age.

You know perhaps it might just be me, but given whats going on in the game that I never heard of and the pictures I saw, seriously the censorship seems less to do with anything then a bloody age change.

Like how hard is that for publishers to do? Like ya I saw the game that exists on here, but the fact the devs felt the need to say "no these are teens, not adults!" kinda was their own fault.

Hell steam banned the adult patch for Nekopara 4 because they felt that one of the catgirls looked to young but thats a straight up adult game at that point anyways, in this situation I dont blame steam, honestly I'm more impressed whoever is making the game went and did a public stunt like this when all they'd have to do is alter the text to give a different age number, at that point they'd be set to go.

There's terror games on Steam, but their all full of adults.


Whats with Japan and young people either forced into fetishistic hellworlds or into nightmare torture porn? Like no hate to anyone that enjoy these games, after all to each their own but seriously why cant they just alter the age before shipping so everyone can get the game.

There is literally no law that would prevent this game from release in the US.