Valve must allow ChäoS;HEAd Noah

[ValentB]

Valve allows lots of trash, russian bear vodka s**t, furry degenerate s**t, ♥♥♥ with hitler, acquitted, lock her up alt-right junk but not the classic cult game from a trusted known publisher?
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/regarding-the-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

Release Chaos;HeaD Noah here.

Update from 7 October:
We have won!!!
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

[♦Crims0n♦]

+1. This game is also being released on the Nintendo Switch. What's wrong with you, Valve? Lmao

[Paratech2008]

I find it funny Sony censorship is worse than Nintendo. My how times changed since the 90s when Nintendo censored Super NES games like Mortal Kombat, Final Fight, etc.

[fradigit]

Just adding in my voice - I don't know the content of the game, but the sequel is already on Steam and I was looking forward to playing C;H on the Steam Deck and then buying and playing the rest of the series (only played the S;G ones so far). It also seems like such a dumb idea after all the money they literally just spent trying to get into the Japanese market.

[Yuzzers]

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Valve is downright inconsistent with what they allow and disallows on the platform. The visual novel cult-classic "Full metal demon Muramasa" was also not allowed, which is mind-boggling. Full metal demon Muramasa was even allowed on gog. But steam previously allowed games like "♥♥♥♥ Day" and "AIDS Simulator" in the past and only removed them when there was an outcry. But they deny games such as "Meteor World Actor" and "Amatsutsumi"? from the get-go?
Steam dislikes high-profile visual novels.
I'd be 100% fine with it (albeit a little moody about it) if they disapproved of the aforementioned titles. IF they were consistent with what they allowed and disallowed.

And you know what is consistent. We're only hearing the version the dev/pubs are telling. There likely is likely consistency, but there's also likely a heft dose of omission by the dev/pubs on these matters.

Remember when people tell stories about events they generally tell the stories in ways that majke themselves look good.

Sure, there are probably policies in play that disallows public statements about banned titles (unless there's a public outcry, I guess).
Valve's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stance regarding which games are allowed on steam. "With that principle in mind, we've decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling...".
The games I mentioned arguably aren't "straight up trolling".
Maybe some illegal stuff in the game?
IIRC there is an attempted ♥♥♥♥ scene. That must be the reason why right?
Well, this game (https://store.steampowered.com/app/611790/House_Party/) allows you to drug and ♥♥♥♥ others...
Maybe some loli stuff then?
Well (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1631080/HoneySelect2Libido_DX/) allows you to create your own little loli (:.

And you downplay the inconsistency. When you straight up can Google "steam visual novel inconsistent." and news outlets like "TheVerge.", "Kotaku." and even "Yahoo." pops up. you'll also notice other Steam forum posts regarding Steam's apparent inconsistency.


EDIT: Added "pops up"

[Paratech2008]

I don't think any gaming company is consistent or ever has been consistent.

IMSHO public pressure has influenced inconsistent decisions in the past.

[Yuzzers]

Just to showcase the blatant inconsistency
https://steamcommunity.com/games/2069640/announcements/detail/3396294721352184859

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And you know what is consistent. We're only hearing the version the dev/pubs are telling. There likely is likely consistency, but there's also likely a heft dose of omission by the dev/pubs on these matters.

Remember when people tell stories about events they generally tell the stories in ways that majke themselves look good.

Sure, there are probably policies in play that disallows public statements about banned titles (unless there's a public outcry, I guess).
Valve's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stance regarding which games are allowed on steam. "With that principle in mind, we've decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling...".
The games I mentioned arguably aren't "straight up trolling".
Maybe some illegal stuff in the game?
IIRC there is an attempted ♥♥♥♥ scene. That must be the reason why right?
Well, this game (https://store.steampowered.com/app/611790/House_Party/) allows you to drug and ♥♥♥♥ others...
Maybe some loli stuff then?
Well (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1631080/HoneySelect2Libido_DX/) allows you to create your own little loli (:.

And you're basically making my argument for me. Given what is allowed. It seemsunlikely that VAlve would ♥♥♥♥♥ about something Nintendo wouldn't.

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And you downplay the inconsistency. When you straight up can Google "steam visual novel inconsistent." and news outlets like "TheVerge.", "Kotaku." and even "Yahoo." pops up. you'll also notice other Steam forum posts regarding Steam's apparent inconsistency.

'Apparent' is the operative word here. As in giving the appearance of.
We only really hear from the dev/pubs side and these people, are as likely to bend the truth as any other human if they feel it will make them money or make them look good. They know Valve is more or less too professional to blab abbout otherwise private matters and dealings in the public forum.

All I'm saying is we're hearing rather vague statements from the publisher.

[etch]

Again, what else do you want the publisher to say? Valve is known not to give clear statements on why things are banned or rejected and usually these messages are automated. The game has been out in Japan for over a decade so we know what content is in the game and the game's sequel which is extremely similar in content to it, was allowed on Steam just a few years ago. I don't see how you can have multiple different publishers who had games banned from Steam with similar experiences and think they are trying to pull a fast one or are lying about the situation. It's not like Valve has not been given a chance to comment or to clarify their own guidelines to make it easier for publishers to submit games. Multiple news outlets and publishers have tried to get clarification on the guidelines or for some sort of clarity and Valve has almost always declined to answer.

[Paratech2008]

Thing is Valve doesn't have to be consistent or explain their policies any more than Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Epic, GOG, EA, or Ubisoft.

I don't like or justify their decisions or expect them to answer to anybody.

[Loire]

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Again, what else do you want the publisher to say? Valve is known not to give clear statements on why things are banned or rejected and usually these messages are automated. The game has been out in Japan for over a decade so we know what content is in the game and the game's sequel which is extremely similar in content to it, was allowed on Steam just a few years ago. I don't see how you can have multiple different publishers who had games banned from Steam with similar experiences and think they are trying to pull a fast one or are lying about the situation. It's not like Valve has not been given a chance to comment or to clarify their own guidelines to make it easier for publishers to submit games. Multiple news outlets and publishers have tried to get clarification on the guidelines or for some sort of clarity and Valve has almost always declined to answer.

I wouldnt bother arguing with that dude, he is either trolling or have absolutely no idea of Valves history towards these games. A simple rebutal to his point is that we have games that have been banned for years now and they never came to steam, of the few that even came to PC they had to be rescued by other storefronts, like GOG or Jast, because they were abandoned by their publishers, in most cases seeling a fraction of what they could on steam.

His speculations are nothing in front of facts that people bring him in this topic (steam app is obviously banned). He just want to tell everyone that he able to think not like everyone else

[diablos646]

+1 Nothing to add other than valve/steam has no consistency when reviewing games.

[fluxtorrent]

Valve GAVE them a concise answer on what had to be changed to be allowed, concise and complete enough for htem to say "yeah we don't wanna"

Valve DIDN'T ban the game, the devs DECIDED not to release it because of the issues valve pointed out. So maybe go ask those devs what changes they didnt want to make, because they clearly KNOW what Valve ruled against.


Crying that they aren't consistent and that the devs "didn't have it explained" is gaslighting in the first degree.

The devs got told EXACTLY why it wasn't allowed as is and THEY are the ones not telling YOU. Maybe it's time to wonder WHY they aren't telling you.

[Wicked]

Agree. Valve may not like ♥♥♥♥♥ schoolgirls, but as always let the customers (and government) decide what do we want pls. And indeed the store is kinda full with ♥♥♥♥♥ anyway

[Bionicle Pizza Delivery Service]

+1 Another one

[sandestrom]

I don't play visual novels but considering all the trash that gets approved by Steam for whatever reason, I don't understand why they're not allowing this one. Steam thinks at least three nazi-furry games (wtf?) are fine but this is where they draw the line? Steam either needs to allow everything or start having consistency (and some serious quality control).