Valve must allow ChäoS;HEAd Noah

[ValentB]

Valve allows lots of trash, russian bear vodka s**t, furry degenerate s**t, sex with hitler, acquitted, lock her up alt-right junk but not the classic cult game from a trusted known publisher?
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/regarding-the-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

Release Chaos;HeaD Noah here.

Update from 7 October:
We have won!!!
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

[ValentB]

Messaggio originale di Count_Dandyman:

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/947650/NEKOPARA_Vol_1__18_Adult_Only_Content/

yeah notice that four year gap between the release of the game and the release of that DLC almost like they actually put in the work to meet Steams standards and wait to go through the checks needed to ensure the content didn't violate the rules rather than just throw a whiny tantrum and demand to be given an exception to them.

Steam was banning ALL sex games back in 2014. Simple. No case by case weird policies.

[Satsujinki]

Messaggio originale di ValentB:

Messaggio originale di Count_Dandyman:

yeah notice that four year gap between the release of the game and the release of that DLC almost like they actually put in the work to meet Steams standards and wait to go through the checks needed to ensure the content didn't violate the rules rather than just throw a whiny tantrum and demand to be given an exception to them.

Steam was banning ALL sex games back in 2014. Simple. No case by case weird policies.

Reminds me one of the 'hot coffee vs cold coffee' controversy when the community disagree with.

[Yuzzers]

Messaggio originale di Count_Dandyman:

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/947650/NEKOPARA_Vol_1__18_Adult_Only_Content/

yeah notice that four year gap between the release of the game and the release of that DLC almost like they actually put in the work to meet Steams standards and wait to go through the checks needed to ensure the content didn't violate the rules rather than just throw a whiny tantrum and demand to be given an exception to them.

It's the exact same content from the original release 3 years prior to it's Steam release.
I'm more concerned about the inconsistency or the bias towards Visual novels.
https://jastusa.com/page/the-state-of-muramasa

[Ogami]

Messaggio originale di Count_Dandyman:

yeah notice that four year gap between the release of the game and the release of that DLC almost like they actually put in the work to meet Steams standards and wait to go through the checks needed to ensure the content didn't violate the rules rather than just throw a whiny tantrum and demand to be given an exception to them.

Again, Chaos;Child, the sequel to Chaos Head has been on Steam for years.
The characters are still underage in that one, still has the disturbing sexual and gore content.
Game also got the exact same rating by the ESRB.

So why is that one ok but not this prequel?
Because there is no consistency in how Steam admits these games.
Some days the most sick and disturbing games get approved without a problem, the next day some 4x4 pixel wide boob in the background of one game leads to a refusal.

Again, Steam can do whatever they want and admit/refuse whatever game they want.
All we asking for is some transparent and consisting rules that get applied equally to ALL games.
Something that is clearly not the case at the moment.

[Yuzzers]

Can also check this out
https://twitter.com/hanadakeika/status/1501196842960580610?t=LjkTp85P8rPKqN-AAGcnkw&s=19

[Ryulightorb]

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

Can also check this out
https://twitter.com/hanadakeika/status/1501196842960580610?t=LjkTp85P8rPKqN-AAGcnkw&s=19

what the ♥♥♥♥ how does that constitute as.......bruh

[Lunar Fang]

VNs aren't real games.

[Yuzzers]

Messaggio originale di Akuma:

VNs aren't real games.

Try googling what the definition of a "game" is

[Lunar Fang]

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

Messaggio originale di Akuma:

VNs aren't real games.

Try googling what the definition of a "game" is

No thanks. I'm not blood thirsty to ♥♥♥♥ cat girls in VNs.

[Yuzzers]

Messaggio originale di Akuma:

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

Try googling what the definition of a "game" is

No thanks. I'm not blood thirsty to ♥♥♥♥ cat girls in VNs.

Agreed which is sad since in this game you could watch underage people get brutally killed, but with no sexy times. Truly a loss

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di Ogami:

Messaggio originale di Count_Dandyman:

yeah notice that four year gap between the release of the game and the release of that DLC almost like they actually put in the work to meet Steams standards and wait to go through the checks needed to ensure the content didn't violate the rules rather than just throw a whiny tantrum and demand to be given an exception to them.

Again, Chaos;Child, the sequel to Chaos Head has been on Steam for years.
The characters are still underage in that one, still has the disturbing sexual and gore content.
Game also got the exact same rating by the ESRB.

So why is that one ok but not this prequel?
Because there is no consistency in how Steam admits these games.
Some days the most sick and disturbing games get approved without a problem, the next day some 4x4 pixel wide boob in the background of one game leads to a refusal.

Again, Steam can do whatever they want and admit/refuse whatever game they want.
All we asking for is some transparent and consisting rules that get applied equally to ALL games.
Something that is clearly not the case at the moment.

Because from what I recently learned, Noah is a fan-made mod that the Japanese themselves: https://automaton-media.com/en/news/20221004-16036/#:~:text=It%20also%20features%20plenty%20of,changes%20compared%20to%20these%20versions. AKA known as the Z rating, which is basically the ESRB rating side of A for Adult, the fact that a fan-made remaster somehow changed the existing D-classification (Mature) to Adult prior to even moving to the United States is very worrying...

Why?
{COLLEGAMENTO RIMOSSO}https://tinyurl.com/57k78p9w

{COLLEGAMENTO RIMOSSO}https://tinyurl.com/2vvxh9u2

Which freakin lead me finally here: https://www.dualshockers.com/tsukihime-remake-sales-tops-ps4-switch-charts-despite-cero-z-rating/


So from I'm getting here, due to the game basically having a pre-existing rating of Z in Japan, Steam legally cannot sell it, this also goes for many many other Z-rated games, as in Japan to get these games you need to actually have an ID confermation for them, something Steam DOES NOT HAVE

This I learned because of several prior Japanese-made VN's who all are also not allowed on Steam, each and every single one having a Japanese Z-CERO rating. Now, normally that seems easy to fix, thats true, the problem here is that Steam in all honest: https://www.dualshockers.com/tsukihime-remake-sales-tops-ps4-switch-charts-despite-cero-z-rating/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20Japanese%20developers%20try,if%20you%20pay%20through%20Paypal.

In short, these games are not on steam as the Japanese law literally clearly says, and normally I'd say other countries can get away with it, note how the very outright plastered law states that yes, digital ones are also required to buy CERO Z games.

This situation from what I'm understanding has existed for a long time, prior to even Spike stepping, as its basically a stiuation that requires a literal ID comfermation to even get it, which has also lead CERO Z games to being globally restricted as is all over including those not on Steam.

Steam banning the game under terms of Censorship is basically correct, but not in a way of the game itself, but in a way that basically was them telling Spike they literally cannot sell Chaos Head Noah until Japan changed its Z rating, which they didn't, as it stands its very much still a Z-Rating

Like this is one of these situations that ya, it makes seem look rather bad until you get the context of why they banned so many japanese adult games, when you understand thats basically how the CERO worked, without a means to check ID, Japan literally will not allow CERO-Z games to be sold here, which is yes, the Basic Guidelines https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/gettingstarted/onboarding Rule 6: Content that violates the laws of any jurisdiction in which it will be available

Basically this is not a content within the game, but literally the product itself violating standardized CERO laws for requiring a validation ID to be sold at all, something Steam has no actual means of requesting in any form, in short Steam was saying that they had to censor the game BECAUSE IT WAS LITERALLY HOLDING A GAME RATING THAT THEY DONT ACCEPT

As people said, they've thrown out many games: https://www.siliconera.com/made-in-abyss-game-received-a-cero-z-rating-in-japan/ Including IRONICALLY SPIKE BEFORE AS WELL > https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/79441615?page=1

https://steamcommunity.com/app/981750/discussions/0/1849197902655170484/?ctp=6

https://noisypixel.net/spike-chunsoft-acknowledges-censoring-zanki-zero-last-beginning/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/c95zke/sony_forces_spike_chunsoft_to_remove_05_seconds/


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You know what this means right lads? By Spike refusing to censor the game to drop its CERO rating, Steam literally cannot accept it to be sold on their market, note all the links above with Spike basically getting their rear handed to them time and time again but ACTUALLY FIXING IT, like note, that one with Made in Abyss? It WAS Z rated, but they censored it and its still on Steam, the fact they refused to censor it basically means the age rating is at a place that, within all legal terms and conditions, Steam cant sell it.

[Yuzzers]

I mean fallout 3 also has a cero rating

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di Nexsysis:

I mean fallout 3 also has a cero rating

It does, but it was FIRST GRADED, in the US
HOWEVER Chaos was first graded in Japan, and ya that actually impacts stuff to

Like I didnt even know that was a thing, a game graded by the ESRB, while also gradable by other nations ratings, basically only hold the ESRB rating forever, so in this case while Fallout 3 indeed has the CERO, it was first graded under the ESRB, so only the ESRB rating matters

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di Lustrous Spirit:

You know what this means right lads? By Spike refusing to censor the game to drop its CERO rating, Steam literally cannot accept it to be sold on their market, note all the links above with Spike basically getting their rear handed to them time and time again but ACTUALLY FIXING IT, like note, that one with Made in Abyss? It WAS Z rated, but they censored it and its still on Steam, the fact they refused to censor it basically means the age rating is at a place that, within all legal terms and conditions, Steam cant sell it.

Now why would the dev be so careful to avoid mentioning these specific details. They could have just said 'due to an issue with the japanese ratings board',.

Though how's that thing getting on Switch...obvious answer is it's not the same version but Imma not gonna assume.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

Messaggio originale di Lustrous Spirit:

You know what this means right lads? By Spike refusing to censor the game to drop its CERO rating, Steam literally cannot accept it to be sold on their market, note all the links above with Spike basically getting their rear handed to them time and time again but ACTUALLY FIXING IT, like note, that one with Made in Abyss? It WAS Z rated, but they censored it and its still on Steam, the fact they refused to censor it basically means the age rating is at a place that, within all legal terms and conditions, Steam cant sell it.

Now why would the dev be so careful to avoid mentioning these specific details. They could have just said 'due to an issue with the japanese ratings board',.

Though how's that thing getting on Switch...obvious answer is it's not the same version but Imma not gonna assume.

This is actually the stupid part, and I do actually mean really stupid.

The CERO, literally by their own freakin words: Only rates PC games and console games, according to LITERALLY NINTENDO THEMSELVES:https://www.nintendo.com/sg/games/switch/note/ratings.html

The switch works on the ESRB rating, and to note the CERO itself

The CERO rating of Z? Is equal to the ESRB of M

Like honestly I'd give credit to Nintendo, as the CERO literally states PC and consoles, not handhelds so they literally got a freebe with the freakin switch as is.