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How do we know it's already censored? From what people are making it sound like, it wasn't censored.
Because Noah is a remaster of the old Chaos Head from 2008 and this new version has already removed some of the more contested content by default when it was released in Japan.
There is no uncensored version of Noah, the censored one is the default one.
Only uncensored version is the original Chaos Head PC release from 2008.
Ah, it's a Tokyo Mirage Sessions situation.
So now back to what Valve supposedly said they had to change.
I am pretty sure its a certain scene where the main chara, who is basically a complete shutin otaku bordering on Incel has rape fantasies about one of the characters who is like 14-15 or so.
Nothing is shown but he fantasies about it quiet vividly.
Now the scene is disturbing but thats the whole point, to show that the main character is not well and has some deep seated issues with women and relationships.
Its actually a important scene for his character development and will be referenced multiple times in the game. Its a scene you really cant cut without removing a huge chunk of that character development and would make some later scenes not make much sense.
Again, its pure text, nothing is shown.
Wait. It's just text? Steam literally has worse on here lol.
Chaos;Head: original 2008 PC release
Chaos;Head Noah: Xbox 360 enhanced port, additional routes and NO censorship
Noah has been released UNCENSORED on: Xbox 360 and PS Vita.
Noah has been released CENSORED on: PS3, PSP, iOS, Android and Switch (upcoming)
The Steam version was the CENSORED one, like the upcoming Switch version. Steam demanded further censorship on the already censored version.
I know. Steam has literally porn games on here where you hold women prisoner in your personal sex dungeon to "train".
Quiet a few of those actually.
I guess the problem here is the age of the character, underage, wearing school uniform, sexual suggestive content about that character even if its just text.
Honestly, Spice Chunsoft should have used the usual " all persons in this game are 18+" no matter if it makes sense.
Quiet a few other games on Steam did exactly that and got away with dubious content because of it.
If that was the reason, the question becomes: why was Chaos;Child (the sequel to this game) allowed on Steam, when they have the same kind of content?
The only explanation I can think of, and it's something people involved in the process have talked about, is that the approval process is a coin toss.
Very possible. It definitely does not feel that standard is applied to all new releases in a equal fashion.
I could easily link a dozen games right now that have obviously underage looking characters in sexual situations that are far worse then that scene in Noah but are all being sold without problems on the store.
Especially since the scene in Noah is not even meant for sexual titillation, its meant for the player to feel disgusted by the fantasies of the main character and go " wtf dude?!" .
In the end, i doubt we will ever get a clear answer why the game was denied.
But they didn't say what changes were requested. WHich is rather telling. As said. Might have nothing to do with Censorship. Maybe they slipped some NFT's in the game :P
That's typically down to legal reasons. Though as said. I'd be curious to find what that game had that Corpse Party, et al, didn't.
Yes. and funnily enough this mostly happens near to the game's launch window. ALmost as if it might be a publicity ploy.
When you look at whart got through, you have to ask what's more likely, that you're dealing with unreliable narrotors skewing the narrative to their benefit, or a system where things seem to work on dice rolls. SPike seemed to have no issues getting their games on STeam for literally years, and now this....
There's some key information being ommitted by the publisher here and I think that'd be very telling.
You seem really fixated on the idea that this is all a marketing ploy or something to that effect. Spike Chunsoft games sell very well on Steam, with some of them having more than 20K reviews. The games part of the Sci;Adv series are some of the most high profile titles in the genre. They don't need shady marketing tactics to sell.
Multiple individuals involved in the VN industry have denounced the inconsistency of Steam's approval process. We don't even need to take them at their word: Evenicle 1 in, Evenicle 2 out; KnS 1 in, KnS 2 out; plus many other examples. A quote from someone involved in the VN localization business:
"There's been a definite issue with Steam habitually rejecting games that have an 'anime' aesthetic and school settings, even games that aren't even remotely salacious," he said. "It's not the first game with a school setting that this has happened to, even when the school setting isn't remotely sexualized. It's as if someone on their team sees a certain aesthetic, sees a school setting, prematurely puts two and two together and then rejects.
"This kind of thing's been happening fairly consistently since at least 2019, in my experience," Hodgson continued. "Someone on their team has it out for visual novel releases, and I think they're judged more harshly as a result... They don't offer much in the way of guidance when you get a rejection, either, nor are the Steam reps very cooperative or responsive, so the problem has remained ongoing and doesn't seem to have any kind of solution in sight."
Source:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/09/nintendoes-what-valve-dont-game-barred-from-steam-will-launch-on-switch/
I recommend reading the article for some further insight into the situation. Spike might not even know exactly what Steam wants removed, or maybe they don't want the bad PR of saying Valve has accused the game of sexualizing minors or something like that.
I'm taking your NFT comment as a joke, so I won't address it.
I think we won't reach an agreement about this matter, but thanks for the respectful discussion.
And again. Is it inconsistency or the unreliable narrator. When people tell stories and they know there will be minimal fact checking they tend to alter the telling to make themselves look better.
The first sentence is quite easily falsified by just looking through the STeam Catalog, so off to a great start. And it doesn't get any better .
It is but again, you can't really put anything past devs or publishers. I mean. How many of them were gearing up for the blockchain bandwagon.
I would not be surprised if the this game managed to miraculously get on to steam ine a couple months. MAybe even just in time for the winter sale event.