Valve must allow ChäoS;HEAd Noah

[ValentB]

Valve allows lots of trash, russian bear vodka s**t, furry degenerate s**t, sex with hitler, acquitted, lock her up alt-right junk but not the classic cult game from a trusted known publisher?
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/regarding-the-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

Release Chaos;HeaD Noah here.

Update from 7 October:
We have won!!!
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

[Zefar]

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

Really would be nice but nothing happened after Full metal daemon, so I doubt anything will come out of it, but hey we can hope :shizukaSkeptic:

Hopefully Valve will get a reality check soon. They are trying to market the steam deck to the japanese audience while censoring and banning their games at the same time.VNs are a huge market in Japan and I doubt people will switch to a platform that treats them like this.

https://store.steampowered.com/category/visual_novel/

There is a Visual Novel category you can search on. One Visual Novel not getting onto Steam isn't gonna be the end of the world for the Japanese market.

Also I'm pretty sure the Japanese audience have other tastes other than Visual novels.
Besides it looks like these visual novels can be played on basically any tablet type computer so not sure why someone would get a Steamdeck for them alone.

Steam Deck is also selling out constantly as well.

[Start_Running]

Escrito originalmente por atomjvd:

Yet another Visual Novel that gets banned from steam for no reason at all. Someone there must really hate japanese VNs.

that's a stretch to say, considering the volumes of them on Steam currently.

Escrito originalmente por atomjvd:

This one makes even less sense that some of the previous games that got axed in the past years, since is a highly anticipated release from one of the most popular series on this same platform.

You mean the sort of game that another store front or platform would happily snipe for an exclusivity deal? You don't say.

Escrito originalmente por atomjvd:

Even the family friendly Nintendo is publishing this game.

Which really makes you wonder what Valve could have had an issue with that nintendo wouldn't. It's almost like the dev's side of the story is not consistent with observable reality and evidence at hand.

Escrito originalmente por Lustrous Spirit:

Like in all seriousness people if it was removed, why does the store page literally even exist, like at all in the smallest of forms?

To be fair rthe game store pages will persist in some casises. The Domina Storepage still exists for example... though you have to access it from your library. But that's likely as a conveneince to those who already own the game. I can't imagine why a game that hadn't even been released or purchased yet would still have it up.

Escrito originalmente por Lustrous Spirit:

And after enough digging, I learned that Steam never canned it, as a matter of fact Steam never banned it either, after some indepth digging, the long short of it is that Steam never literally did anything, to quote literally Spike

"Spike Chunsoft announced they are not publishing CHAOS;HEAD NOAH for PC like originally planned due to Valve’s guidelines on adult content."

Yes. Because it certainly has niothing to do with pulling out because they snagged an exclusivity deal for being so popular as that would be in violation of their contract with Valve and incur some penalties...

Escrito originalmente por Lustrous Spirit:

In short, Spike pulled out because they didnt agree with Steam's adult content rules, Steam never banned them, Steam didnt do anything, literally this is all in Spikes field as Steam literally was pushed out the door because apparently Spike didnt like the guidelines BEFORE THE GAME EVEN WAS PUT UP.

Yeah and considering they have published other games, its not like they didn't know what the guidelines were. And if they spotted a problem with them, you'd think they'd have noticed before they plonked down the fee for the store page.


This is what I mean about applying a bit of critical thinking to developer statements,

[Mad Scientist]

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

You assumed without it was regional issue without anything backing it up

It's clear this matter is getting you far too emotional to have a logical discussion, besides, that was addresses here:

Escrito originalmente por Lustrous Spirit:

After going over all of this, the short end of the stick is that Chaos Head Noah literally has confirmed nudity of an unspeakable kind, now while that could be ignored due to other games, its the fact that apparently Noah has been in Localization legal hell sense 2019

For those unaware, Localization Doctrine refers to the legal principle that a foreign corporation, by doing sufficient business in a particular state, will subject itself to that state's laws.

Oh hey look, right on two counts, not surprised at all.

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

and then you point to Germany as example, which has nothing to do with the game I mentioned since it's Japanese.

Where something is made from and sold to often have their own restrictions or other applicable rules & laws. Something those that frequent the categories are familiar with. For example US, EU and other places typically have an issue with having depictions of minors being nude.

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

Just this makes most of what you say irrelevant, you make assumptions claims without backing it up with any factual information.

You do realize most of it was educated guesses and another user pointed out exactly these guesses as reality, right?

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

You also said I should contact the Developers to get the "real" reason, but that wouldn't change anything. If they gave a comprehensive reply you'd just say "This response paints them in a good light, so they aren't to be trusted"

If they gave the real message from Valve it would be precisely the message from Valve. They have not, and they might provide it if asked. Though they're unlikely to admit what another user found. Try not to take your emotional reactions and assign beliefs as to what I would say. Read it as-is, not as you perceive it over disagreement.

Escrito originalmente por Nexsysis:

Discussion is mostly pointless as you refuse to further it in an capacity so I'm done

Well since you've been proven very incorrect, I'd say Valve made the right decision, and it's more amazing they weren't banned for that, but instead were offered to correct it.

[Moogal™]

I don't want more anime games on steam. I say no.

[atomjvd]

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

that's a stretch to say, considering the volumes of them on Steam currently.

yeah mate, hundreds of VNs from different publishers banned over the years but releasing without a problem on other platforms must be a very organized plot for free advertising. ffs.

[shado]

Escrito originalmente por Gädda 3000:

I don't want more anime games on steam. I say no.

wish granted, instead your feed is filled with crap from f95.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Escrito originalmente por Shadowi:

Escrito originalmente por Gädda 3000:

I don't want more anime games on steam. I say no.

wish granted, instead your feed is filled with crap from f95.
:headcrab:

Honestly that sounds more like a plus then minus, but thats just because F95 literally is one of those sites that give so little of a damn that I'd be more shocked when they ban some game on their end, and I literally do mean that.

[Yuzzers]

Escrito originalmente por Shadowi:

Escrito originalmente por Gädda 3000:

I don't want more anime games on steam. I say no.

wish granted, instead your feed is filled with crap from f95.
:headcrab:

F95 games

[Zefar]

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

The steam deck is part of a marketing push due to how much the japanese pc gaming market is expanding. The reason I mentioned the deck is because of how prevalent mobile gaming is in Asian countries. We in the west accept censorship because thats often the only way for a game to be released here. In Japan they have other options, including the Switch who is much more popular there and is releasing games rejected by Valve. Sony is already facing a backlash and pretty much lost their home market due to their policies towards the japanese audience.

Plenty of censorship going on in Japan as well. Adult novels and mangas need to have their censor bars on two certain parts at all times. They even make a joke about it in family friendly animes.

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

Steam creating an exposition focused on the Japanese market and them banning a very popular game in a very popular series the next week is bad optics to a market that is accustomed to be catered to. I have worked in sales and marketing and any boss I ever had would have had a heart attack if he saw someone do this, ie antagonize the audience of a market we were trying to expand into.

You say it's popular but I doubt these Visual Novels on Steam outsells a normal game that is on the top 10 sales.
But lets say this, can you provide a Visual Novel with over 10 000 positive reviews on Steam?
If not, then the sales on them probably where not that good to begin with and Steam Deck isn't gonna change that.

I also don't think Steam is focusing on the Visual Novel market in Japan with Steam Deck.
Get any tablet that run Win10 or Win11 and install Steam then play those games.

[pegy0666]

+1

[Furry Slurry]

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

Escrito originalmente por Zefar:

Plenty of censorship going on in Japan as well. Adult novels and mangas need to have their censor bars on two certain parts at all times. They even make a joke about it in family friendly animes.




You say it's popular but I doubt these Visual Novels on Steam outsells a normal game that is on the top 10 sales.
But lets say this, can you provide a Visual Novel with over 10 000 positive reviews on Steam?
If not, then the sales on them probably where not that good to begin with and Steam Deck isn't gonna change that.

I also don't think Steam is focusing on the Visual Novel market in Japan with Steam Deck.
Get any tablet that run Win10 or Win11 and install Steam then play those games.

I dont think you understood what I said... I didnt say Steam is focusing on VNs, I said they are focusing on Japan and VNs are a part of their market, banning them is bad publicity. Plus Steam is not only banning VNs, they are banning other japanese games like Dungeon Travelers 2, for example.

Btw, VNs who have 10k reviews:
VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action
NEKOPARA 0-3
Tricolour Lovestory
NEEDY STREAMER OVERLOAD
Doki Doki Literature Club Plus!
Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy
Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
STEINS;GATE
etc...

So that confirms that they are being xenophobic

[etch]

Pretty notable that multiple Spike Chunsoft VNs are on that 10k reviews list

[Zefar]

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

I dont think you understood what I said... I didnt say Steam is focusing on VNs, I said they are focusing on Japan and VNs are a part of their market, banning them is bad publicity. Plus Steam is not only banning VNs, they are banning other japanese games like Dungeon Travelers 2, for example.

I still do not think the main, second or even the third reason to buy the Steam Deck in Japan would be due to Visual Novels. Other games would without a doubt have a higher priority.

Not to mention those Visual Novels can be played on anything that can run Steam basically.

For fun I checked up that dungeon travelers 2 on Google. Changing the search parameter for NSFW search results.
Yeah.....I'm quite sure I know why it isn't released on Steam.
Not sure why you would advocate for it. West is pretty against such content.

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

Btw, VNs who have 10k reviews:
VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action
NEKOPARA 0-3
Tricolour Lovestory
NEEDY STREAMER OVERLOAD
Doki Doki Literature Club Plus!
Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy
Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
STEINS;GATE
etc...

So there have actually been some. Which means it'll still sell IF someone buys the Steam Deck for that reason.

[generał lepper]

Escrito originalmente por Zefar:

Escrito originalmente por Leman:

Not sure why you would advocate for it. West is pretty against such content.

Define West.

[Start_Running]

Escrito originalmente por atomjvd:

Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:

that's a stretch to say, considering the volumes of them on Steam currently.

yeah mate, hundreds of VNs from different publishers banned over the years but releasing without a problem on other platforms must be a very organized plot for free advertising. ffs.

And hundreds from various publishers all over the world that have been released on steam just fine. With varying levels and combinations of gore, sexual content, and adult themes.

What we do see games getting yeeted for is developers being bad actors, and in this case it seems more like SPike is trying to pulla fast one.